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pashley 06-08-2008 16:54

Tram, destination Accrington
 
Can anyone pinpoint for me the location of the tram shown in Mitchell and Kenyon's film which prominently displays 'Accrington' on the destination blind? I've looked at this many times and cannot place it at all.

Pashley

churchman phil 06-08-2008 16:56

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Have you a link to a clip of the film??

katex 06-08-2008 17:40

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Is this the one you mean Pashey, put up by my brother, Tubbyless, on a thread about the Hippodrome :-:D

Attachment 12365

I think it was decided looking down Ellison Street.

This is the thread, rather long, but start at #87

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...e-33604-5.html

steeljack 06-08-2008 17:58

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just come across this article in the Evening Telegraph .
Glimpse of East Lancashire's past uncovered (From Lancashire Telegraph)

In it says the tram service from Blackburn ended at Church Commercial , now my question is? did the the Accrington Trams (like the one in the picture above) operate on a different track gauge ? and was that was why there was no through service from Accrington to Blackburn .
the article also mentions the Blackburn trams had a 'steep' climb up Eanam , seems to me the Accrington trams faced a bigger challenge going up Manchester Rd. which I presume they did ( is/was the Tramway pub not on Manchester Rd.)
thanks

Retlaw 06-08-2008 18:30

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Back in the 1940's I seem to remember getting the Accy bus to Church and then the tram to blackburn, if you were sat on the top deck when you got to Eanam you'd swear the tram was going over.

I think the trams had finished in Accy long before any of us were born.

The tram lines are still under the road in Accy, about 10 years ago we had a power cut, rang the lecy and they said it was Manchester Rd and would be back on shortly. Took dog a walk and they were working down a hole about 150 yards past Oak Hill Park gates, got talking to them and they were repairing a joint, asked how they soldered alumininum cable and one of them gave me a stick of special solder, they were also puzzled about another cable in the same hole, which they said was still live and carrying 750 volts, I suggested the old trams that went up Manchester Rd, and they agreed it could be.

What I would like to know is why its still alive, and where is it fed from, back in them days Accy had its own power station on Hyndburn Rd.

Retlaw.

Royboy39 06-08-2008 18:47

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 615686)
Back in the 1940's I seem to remember getting the Accy bus to Church and then the tram to blackburn, if you were sat on the top deck when you got to Eanam you'd swear the tram was going over.

I think the trams had finished in Accy long before any of us were born.

The tram lines are still under the road in Accy, about 10 years ago we had a power cut, rang the lecy and they said it was Manchester Rd and would be back on shortly. Took dog a walk and they were working down a hole about 150 yards past Oak Hill Park gates, got talking to them and they were repairing a joint, asked how they soldered alumininum cable and one of them gave me a stick of special solder, they were also puzzled about another cable in the same hole, which they said was still live and carrying 750 volts, I suggested the old trams that went up Manchester Rd, and they agreed it could be.

What I would like to know is why its still alive, and where is it fed from, back in them days Accy had its own power station on Hyndburn Rd.

Retlaw.

I remember the tram's running from Church to Blackburn.
Here is an interesting read:

Tramway History: | Chapter 1:

Go back to history to go through the chapters....no links on individual pages.

pashley 07-08-2008 14:06

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Thanks, Kate. I never thought about Ellison Street. As I remember it, there was nothing below the Hippodrome except an area of open ground where fairs were held. This was in the 1950s
Pashley.

cashman 07-08-2008 14:41

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was the "Bus Depot" not below the Hippodrome in the 50s Pashley?:confused:

Eric 07-08-2008 17:34

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I don't remember if the bus depot was there .... but I do remember the fairs on the vacant lot below the Hippodrome .... had my first hot dog there .... disgusting things, those tube steaks ..... I hadn't thought about the old Hippodrome for a long time ... I remember my mom taking me to a pantomime there around Christmas time .... damn those 50s are ancient history already.:(

Eric 07-08-2008 17:44

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Cinderella ... that was it ... it must have been '49, 'cause that's the year my grandad Ashton died, not too long after I told him about the pantomime .... he'd been gassed at Paschendale in '17.

I think I remember seeing the trams ... and definitely remember the tracks in the streets.

Wynonie Harris 07-08-2008 20:19

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 616190)
I don't remember if the bus depot was there .... but I do remember the fairs on the vacant lot below the Hippodrome ....

The original stone-built bus garage was at the bottom of Ellison Street (you can see it behind the house on the photo). A brick-built extension was added later on the right - ie below the hippodrome. Ellisons Tenenment, where the fairs were held, was not directly below the Hippodrome, but over to the right at the bottom of Albion Street.

Royboy39 07-08-2008 21:24

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 616193)
Cinderella ... that was it ... it must have been '49, 'cause that's the year my grandad Ashton died, not too long after I told him about the pantomime .... he'd been gassed at Paschendale in '17.

I think I remember seeing the trams ... and definitely remember the tracks in the streets.

The last tram from Church to Accy was April 1st 1931.Tramway History: | Chapter 15:

cashman 07-08-2008 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 616193)
Cinderella ... that was it ... it must have been '49, 'cause that's the year my grandad Ashton died, not too long after I told him about the pantomime .... he'd been gassed at Paschendale in '17.

I think I remember seeing the trams ... and definitely remember the tracks in the streets.

yeh could see the tram tracks going down the street off manchester rd, by the Tramway Inn n down behind the old fire station etc.;)

Royboy39 07-08-2008 21:44

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 616277)
yeh could see the tram tracks going down the street off manchester rd, by the Tramway Inn n down behind the old fire station etc.;)

And in Eliison Street going into the depot.....No Pickey's about then Cashy.

Bonnyboy 07-08-2008 21:47

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What actually happened to the old tram lines, did they get lifted or were new road surfaces just laid over them ?

Royboy39 07-08-2008 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 616282)
What actually happened to the old tram lines, did they get lifted or were new road surfaces just laid over them ?

Yep.....it would have been too expensive to dig them up.

Bonnyboy 07-08-2008 22:47

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 616292)
If you look at the link on transport history chapter 15 you will see what the cost of the lines were in those days...peanuts.
So why dig them up?

Read that a few times Royboy, I must have missed the track costing part. Noticed that the return per mile was just over 21 shillings per mile total. Quite a tidy sum back then I imagine. I assume that it was down to higher volumes of users back then, plus tram efficiency.

mikeya 10-01-2009 10:18

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Hello there

Slightly off beam this but some of you might be interested. I recently took some photos of old streetlamps in Bradford (I know - over the border!) that are being removed. They're old trolleybus overhead poles that went up, in Eccleshill, in 1934. The link is that apparently Bradford Corporation had bought some secondhand tram poles to resuse from the then abandoned Accrington Tramways - and certainly I'd always wondered why some of these lamp posts in Bradford are slightly slimmer than their usual ones.

Harrogate Road, Bradford, W Yorkshire - old street lamp on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Anyhow, its just a link with your town's tramways that were surprisingly still with us until this year. I'm amazed that those lamp posts were, effectively, a century old!

Regards, Mikey

MikeA 05-06-2012 18:35

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The TV programme's on again tonight on BBC4. THe 'Accrington' clip is about 22 minutes into the programme. Here's a link:
BBC Four - Timeshift, Series 11, The Golden Age of Trams: A Streetcar Named Desire

I expect there'll be a link to iPlayer before long - and there are repeats tomorrow and Saturday.

Retlaw 05-06-2012 21:23

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Originally Posted by MikeA (Post 996105)
The TV programme's on again tonight on BBC4. THe 'Accrington' clip is about 22 minutes into the programme. Here's a link:
BBC Four - Timeshift, Series 11, The Golden Age of Trams: A Streetcar Named Desire

I expect there'll be a link to iPlayer before long - and there are repeats tomorrow and Saturday.



Doesn't look like Ellison St to me, looking down Ellison St, on the right after the Hippodrome there were no buildings, it was an open space known as Ellisons Tenement, the Accrington Pals held their first parades there in September 1914. When they were able they did their drills on the tenement, & when it was raining they drilled in the Tram shed. Another is the Factory chimneys in the back ground, are too far apart to be Hyndburn Mill or Holme Mill, & Ewbanks works Chimney would show to the left, of Hyndburn Mill, then there is the street sign on the end of the building, looks a short one, even shorter than Blake St.
If the tram is already in Accrington, carrying passengers, supposedly coming up Ellison St, why is the destination sign Accrington, surely it is coming from some where, & going to Accrington. Again if that is Ellison St, then the depot would be at the bottom, doubt if there would be any passengers on it, especially as one chap gets off the moving tram as it turns right, why would any one get on the tram at the Ellison St depot, and then jump off at the top.

Retlaw.

cashman 05-06-2012 22:19

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Was discussed a few years back somewhere on accyweb, If twas Ellison St or not, don't think there was a definitive answer.:confused:


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