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banjoman 09-09-2008 16:24
Isnt this Rascist ?
 
BBC NEWS | England | London | Asian officer relieved of duties

specifically if there is a Metropolitan Black Police Association (BPA) that only allows members to be of a certain ethinic group, is that discriminating against people not of that ethnic group ?

And I wonder the uproar if a White Police Association was made.Or a Men Only one....

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 16:29
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Things like that have always seemed racist to me. I think we'd all get on a lot better if people stopped making distinctions for skin colour. We don't do it for eye colour or hair colour or shoe size do we?

Neil 09-09-2008 16:44
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Of course its discriminating but it is anti white so is ok.

blazey 10-09-2008 00:27
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There is a group for black and ethnic minority solicitors, female solicitors too... I think sometimes support networks are needed.

Maybe we could get rid of unions and groups altogether and ignore class differences too. That would be interesting.

cashman 10-09-2008 00:49
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629332)
There is a group for black and ethnic minority solicitors, female solicitors too... I think sometimes support networks are needed.

Maybe we could get rid of unions and groups altogether and ignore class differences too. That would be interesting.
maybe you would not be were you are now, if unions hadn't existed,:rolleyes: we would all still be touching our forelocks to our masters,:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 10-09-2008 07:40
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Unions are not the same at all. Unions make no racial distinctions unless we have a 'black workers union' or some such.

jaysay 10-09-2008 09:53
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 629333)
maybe you would not be were you are now, if unions hadn't existed,:rolleyes: we would all still be touching our forelocks to our masters,:rolleyes:
You mean you don't still do that cashy:D, and there's me thinking we all had to bow down to Gordon:mosher:

jaysay 10-09-2008 10:01
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I've always had a problem with this positive discrimination, we're always being told that we live in an integrated society, but yet we have Black Trade Unions, Black Police officers associations, even the MOBOs Music of Back Origin. Just inmagine the uproar there'd be be if some one came up with MOWOs, Music of White Origin. The PC bregade can't have it both ways, its all or nothing, either we're all racists or nobody is, you can't have one rule for one set of people and another for the others based on the colour of the skin

garinda 10-09-2008 11:04
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Yes, by it's very nature, this is racist.

Apparently there's a long list of associations you can join in the Met, if you're part of that demographic.

There are Jewish, Women's, Gay, Sikh, Muslim, as well as black groups.

Since there are laws already in place if is someone is discriminated against, on grounds of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race or creed, there really should be no need for such organisations, and their very presence is divisive.

grannyclaret 10-09-2008 20:11
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I am still miffed with the N.H.S .for being against fat people or smokers

keetah992000 10-09-2008 20:44
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I disagree that it is racist - I think there is a need for certain jobs and that they are justified.
For example the womens centre in accrington/blackburn can advertise for just women workers because of the sensitive nature of the support they can provide. That isnt sexist it is a need being met.

Now tell me ...

you are in the middle of Moss side you are called to an incident where a yardie is waving a gun around irratically shouting and bawling in a really thick Jamaican accent you need to calm him down quickly but you dont understand a word he is saying except for the fact that he is calling you white scum.

what would you do ?

it happens and unfortunately these are times where jobs are allocated to certain sexes, races or abilities because it is the best option for the situations that crop up in that job.

If there was a job offered for a roofer - would you be saying it was discrmination if it stated you had to have arms and legs

damn you damn you all lol:pmad: :ptongue:

:jam1::lol::lol:


oh and it turns out he wasnt a yadrie after all - he had dropped his contact lens and was trying to stop people standing on it - the gun was a water pistol to moisturise his eye ballsies

West Ender 10-09-2008 21:03
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When I was still a working Civil Servant I was not at all happy to hear about meetings of Black Civil Servants, Women C Ss etc. I always felt that if white male C Ss rose up in protest I would have to support them. I believe in equality and that means for everyone, no special deal for anyone. We will never achieve that if ethnic groups insist on forming their own factions.

keetah992000 10-09-2008 21:16
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I do agree partly with you west ender there are circumstances where there is no need for it and it could be discriminatory in one way or another but... i do think there is a need for it in some situations.

Royboy39 10-09-2008 21:22
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629409)
Yes, by it's very nature, this is racist.

Apparently there's a long list of associations you can join in the Met, if you're part of that demographic.

There are Jewish, Women's, Gay, Sikh, Muslim, as well as black groups.

Since there are laws already in place if is someone is discriminated against, on grounds of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race or creed, there really should be no need for such organisations, and their very presence is divisive.
Rindy you have got that spot on....If I want to be in a black association you need to be black.....If you want to declare yourself as catholic...so be it......If you want to come out as a gay...go for it.
I am an Englishman, born, bread and educated in the English culture....Why should I change?
Why should we careful when we come out with a statement that is true?
The mind boggles :rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 10-09-2008 21:23
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What you are talking about Keetah isn't racism, it's common sense, but having a 'black police' ORGANISATION or a black anything organisation IS racist.

Interestingly, according to a militant black guy on TV the other day it would appear that, pale as I am, I am in fact a black person due to my ancestry. I wonder if I would be permitted to join one of these exclusivly black organisations. ;)

cashman 10-09-2008 21:26
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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 629637)
I do agree partly with you west ender there are circumstances where there is no need for it and it could be discriminatory in one way or another but... i do think there is a need for it in some situations.
disagree keetah, should always be "Best Person fer Job" n yeh if its summat down the "moss" the best person is more likely to be west indian, don't see owt wrong wi that, stating it must be, is a dangerous route to take i reckon.

blazey 10-09-2008 23:40
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I can't believe people actually took my comment seriously.

My point when I am sarcastic is generally hinting at 'if we did this, what would the next thing be'.

It never just stops at one change does it.

garinda 10-09-2008 23:45
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Just double checking that there isn't a 'white police association', which of course there isn't, as that would be deemed as racist, I came across this ludicrous nugget.

'Of course, the National Black Police Association claims it is interested only in promoting racial harmony, both within the force and in relations between the police and the public. (It also makes the extraordinary claim on its website, in an attempt to justify its choice of name: 'The definition of "black" does not refer to skin colour.' So what does it refer to then?)'

TOM UTLEY: I'm enough of a wishy-washy liberal to be horrified by some of the Ali G antics of our police | Mail Online

blazey 10-09-2008 23:52
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629710)
Just double checking that there isn't a 'white police association', which of course there isn't, as that would be deemed as racist, I came across this ludicrous nugget.

'Of course, the National Black Police Association claims it is interested only in promoting racial harmony, both within the force and in relations between the police and the public. (It also makes the extraordinary claim on its website, in an attempt to justify its choice of name: 'The definition of "black" does not refer to skin colour.' So what does it refer to then?)'

TOM UTLEY: I'm enough of a wishy-washy liberal to be horrified by some of the Ali G antics of our police | Mail Online
I was taught my 'English legal systems and methods' module by a feminist this year, who also taught me criminal law... and she clearly was on a mission to slag off men and make them look sexist and terrible at every opportunity, completely disregarding the fact that there are women who have both got to great heights in the legal profession and that have committed the same heinous crimes that men are capable of committing.

I think this type of atitude, particularly when she addressed all the girls in the class and said we WILL be discriminated against, is nothing but damaging and it should be stamped out. Unfortunately there are people that carry on with teaching these kinds of attitudes and I dont think it will ever go away. Shame really.

garinda 10-09-2008 23:58
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629712)
I was taught my 'English legal systems and methods' module by a feminist this year, who also taught me criminal law... and she clearly was on a mission to slag off men and make them look sexist and terrible at every opportunity, completely disregarding the fact that there are women who have both got to great heights in the legal profession and that have committed the same heinous crimes that men are capable of committing.

I think this type of atitude, particularly when she addressed all the girls in the class and said we WILL be discriminated against, is nothing but damaging and it should be stamped out. Unfortunately there are people that carry on with teaching these kinds of attitudes and I dont think it will ever go away. Shame really.
I was taught art history by a hard-line feminist lecturer, for some bizarre reason.

Happily I made mince meat out of her, week after week, term after term.

She did in the end concede that by it's very nature feminism is sexist.

Besides, on the politically correct scale of perceived injustice, I scored more highly than her.:D

mthead 11-09-2008 00:02
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IMHO Its all gone wrong in this country.Every religion and nationality has got the right to shout 'Racial or Religious prejudice' except White or Christians.Where's the sense in that?But thats the law:confused:

blazey 11-09-2008 00:09
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 629718)
IMHO Its all gone wrong in this country.Every religion and nationality has got the right to shout 'Racial or Religious prejudice' except White or Christians.Where's the sense in that?But thats the law:confused:
Christians actually bicker between their different branches all the time and the reason you never see cases about white people getting discriminated against is because on the whole it doesn't happen as often as minorities are discriminated against.

I think it is worse that people claim they have no rights any more just because they are white. White people don't really have it that bad do they?

I once got accused of being racist by an asian lad at college who had been sexually harassing me. I actually got it written in my college records. Did I feel like a victim? Of course I did, but I didn't think it was because I was white and start banging on about white rights. I just got on with life and it's never been a problem for me again, because if I let it be a problem then it would get in the way of the friendships I have with various other people who aren't white but are still good friends. My point is that too many people let it become an issue for themselves, when in reality it only effects very few people to an extreme point that demands action.

mthead 11-09-2008 00:15
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629722)
Christians actually bicker between their different branches all the time and the reason you never see cases about white people getting discriminated against is because on the whole it doesn't happen as often as minorities are discriminated against.

I think it is worse that people claim they have no rights any more just because they are white. White people don't really have it that bad do they?

I once got accused of being racist by an asian lad at college who had been sexually harassing me. I actually got it written in my college records. Did I feel like a victim? Of course I did, but I didn't think it was because I was white and start banging on about white rights. I just got on with life and it's never been a problem for me again, because if I let it be a problem then it would get in the way of the friendships I have with various other people who aren't white but are still good friends. My point is that too many people let it become an issue for themselves, when in reality it only effects very few people to an extreme point that demands action.
Sorry I disagree and i would post some instances on local ones at that but My posts would get deleted or maybe worse and get banned.So lets leave it at that.Your beliefs or politics are best being discussed when in a debate situation and not on a forum,as if you have certain beliefs thats not allowed :mad:

blazey 11-09-2008 00:19
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 629723)
Sorry I disagree and i would post some instances on local ones at that but My posts would get deleted or maybe worse and get banned.So lets leave it at that.Your beliefs or politics are best being discussed when in a debate situation and not on a forum,as if you have certain beliefs thats not allowed :mad:
Is a forum not open to debate?

And what do you mean in your last sentence? I've been brought up to respect everyone regardless of their gender, skin colour, religion etc. I was just giving you an example or were the so called 'race card' was played against me and yet I just dealt with it rather than kicking up a fuss.

Life is too short to fight over things we can't change, and race is certainly one of those things. Fighting wars that nobody can win will inevitably lead to destruction that cant be fixed.

garinda 11-09-2008 00:25
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629722)
Christians actually bicker between their different branches all the time
As do other religions too.

Islam for instance, with the various factions at each other's throats, which lead to the Iran/Iraq War.

mthead 11-09-2008 00:26
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629725)
Is a forum not open to debate?

And what do you mean in your last sentence? I've been brought up to respect everyone regardless of their gender, skin colour, religion etc. I was just giving you an example or were the so called 'race card' was played against me and yet I just dealt with it rather than kicking up a fuss.

Life is too short to fight over things we can't change, and race is certainly one of those things. Fighting wars that nobody can win will inevitably lead to destruction that cant be fixed.
A forum open to debate?Depends on what you stand for.
As for as the other thing me personally got jumped by about 6(youths) Ill say no more,for the post getting deleted.And what help did I get?They had cameras but wouldnt give them the police.And no wasnt on a lads night out was out with my Mrs.I have NO TIME for the PC brigade:mad:

garinda 11-09-2008 00:29
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629722)
White people don't really have it that bad do they?
Record number of cases, because of all this perceived racism, would seem to prove otherwise.


White police claim racism | UK news | The Observer

blazey 11-09-2008 00:32
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 629727)
A forum open to debate?Depends on what you stand for.
As for as the other thing me personally got jumped by about 6(youths) Ill say no more,for the post getting deleted.And what help did I get?They had cameras but wouldnt give them the police.And no wasnt on a lads night out was ot with my Mrs.I have NO TIME for the PC brigade:mad:
Are you saying I'm one of the PC brigade?

I got jumped on new lane when i was at college. By a large group of girls who pinned me down and kicked and punched me in the face. I didn't see them all, they could have been all white or some black, asian or whatever, but all I know is that it hurt and that they did it because they were horrible people regardless of skin colour.

I can't remember who said it now, but they pointed out that when terrorists strike, they can't just kill one race of people and spare the ones they like, they all get hurt or killed. Pain and suffering has no prejudices, we're all affected by it. I feel sorry for you because I know what it is like to be jumped, but I feel for you more if you are to hold prejudices against a race of people just because of a small number of people.

All forums are open to debate, i've never been on one that doesn't have some type of debate going on on it.

garinda 11-09-2008 00:33
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629722)
My point is that too many people let it become an issue for themselves, when in reality it only effects very few people to an extreme point that demands action.
Just as it is for the vast majority of black, Muslim, gay, disabled, or whatever, who don't wish to alienate themselves from mainstream society, and are quite happy with their place in the larger world.

cashman 11-09-2008 00:34
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629728)
Record number of cases, because of all this perceived racism, would seem to prove otherwise.


White police claim racism | UK news | The Observer
rindy mate yer arguing with a apprentice " Darrener":D;)

garinda 11-09-2008 00:36
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 629732)
rindy mate yer arguing with a apprentice " Darrener":D;)
I'm not arguing with anyone.

Mainly because I'm right.:D

blazey 11-09-2008 00:37
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629731)
Just as it is for the vast majority of black, Muslim, gay, disabled, or whatever, who don't wish to alienate themselves from mainstream society, and are quite happy with their place in the larger world.
Yes of course, but the media manipulates all these things you are pointing out. I'm not talking in general, I'm talking in response to mthead's posts in general when he has highlighted particular things.

I can't solve racism, but for myself it isn't a problem because I don't let it be one. I just think it is a shame that there are people that are victims of crime and then feel hatred towards an entire group of people. Race crimes can happen to anyone whatever race their from, but the real injury is to society because it sparks more hatred for each other.

The world is just a horrible place I guess.

keetah992000 11-09-2008 00:38
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 629641)
What you are talking about Keetah isn't racism, it's common sense, but having a 'black police' ORGANISATION or a black anything organisation IS racist.

Interestingly, according to a militant black guy on TV the other day it would appear that, pale as I am, I am in fact a black person due to my ancestry. I wonder if I would be permitted to join one of these exclusivly black organisations. ;)
so then why is it okay for companies to employ only women or men
or for companies to deem only a fully able person to be able to do a job ?

blazey 11-09-2008 00:38
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 629732)
rindy mate yer arguing with a apprentice " Darrener":D;)
Who is that then?

And Rindy why does anyone have to be right about anything, nobody is even contending what you are saying.

cashman 11-09-2008 00:39
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Who is that then?

And Rindy why does anyone have to be right about anything, nobody is even contending what you are saying.
nah i wouldn't call you a nobody blaze.:D

blazey 11-09-2008 00:43
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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 629736)
so then why is it okay for companies to employ only women or men
or for companies to deem only a fully able person to be able to do a job ?
Sometimes certain types of people are actually the best for the job and others simply wouldn't do it as well. I can't think of an example but I know their are some because I remember seeing some guidelines about it on a government website somewhere.

I guess a good example of some types of 'acceptable' discriminations are not letting partially sighted people work certain jobs in the army. It might not be a problem most of the time but if they can't complete one task but someone can do them all then they should get priority and sadly that is because of a disability.

You wouldn't eat a portions of chips with a spoon but it could be done!

keetah992000 11-09-2008 00:45
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629740)
Sometimes certain types of people are actually the best for the job and others simply wouldn't do it as well. I can't think of an example but I know their are some because I remember seeing some guidelines about it on a government website somewhere.

I guess a good example of some types of 'acceptable' discriminations are not letting partially sighted people work certain jobs in the army. It might not be a problem most of the time but if they can't complete one task but someone can do them all then they should get priority and sadly that is because of a disability.

You wouldn't eat a portions of chips with a spoon but it could be done!
and that was my point i was making.

mthead 11-09-2008 00:47
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629730)
Are you saying I'm one of the PC brigade?

I got jumped on new lane when i was at college. By a large group of girls who pinned me down and kicked and punched me in the face. I didn't see them all, they could have been all white or some black, asian or whatever, but all I know is that it hurt and that they did it because they were horrible people regardless of skin colour.
I got stamped several times on,on the head,while unconcious.Had a beautiful mark of a Rockport for a few weeks on my face.No love lost between me and them and never will be.Just taking care what I write LOL.Even thogh Im a Catholic there will be NO FORGIVENESS THERE.Not when it was in front of my Mrs.Been Involved in footy stuff but there was no call for it.But with them its not 1 on 1,cant fight on thier own never have and never will do.:mad:

Mancie 11-09-2008 00:49
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I knew it would come down to chips n spoons.. working class food in the bad old Tory days.. maybe you got a drop of gravy if you were well in with the main butler or Mrs Fanny the cook.. Blazey the New Tory.."time for a change".. the change back to when yourself would be more likley stuck up a chimney than at university

keetah992000 11-09-2008 00:50
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lol

Mancie 11-09-2008 00:53
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Blazey quote

I got jumped on new lane when i was at college. By a large group of girls who pinned me down and kicked and punched me in the face. I didn't see them all, they could have been all white or some black, asian or whatever, but all I know is that it hurt and that they did it because they were horrible people regardless of skin colour.

Are you takin the ****?.. we are not as stupid as you reckon..you were attacked by maybe black girls?..up New Lane?.. I reckon the police would have about 3-4 suspects for that crime..how many black girls are in that area.. stupid

blazey 11-09-2008 01:01
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 629747)
Blazey quote

I got jumped on new lane when i was at college. By a large group of girls who pinned me down and kicked and punched me in the face. I didn't see them all, they could have been all white or some black, asian or whatever, but all I know is that it hurt and that they did it because they were horrible people regardless of skin colour.

Are you takin the ****?.. we are not as stupid as you reckon..you were attacked by maybe black girls?..up New Lane?.. I reckon the police would have about 3-4 suspects for that crime..how many black girls are in that area.. stupid
My point was that they could have been any race and it would have still hurt, so why hold grudges about being attacked based on race?

Also on your comment about, I'm from a working class family and to be honest I tend to eat chips with my fingers!

mthead 11-09-2008 01:03
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629749)
My point was that they could have been any race and it would have still hurt, so why hold grudges about being attacked based on race?
I knew exactly what my attackers were.

blazey 11-09-2008 01:13
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 629752)
I knew exactly what my attackers were.
Football fans, you already said.

Mine were chav girls from Rhyddings. I try not to hate all white girls from rhyddings though even if I was a mess afterwards. It would be a bit of an inconvenience to me seen as I have friends who go there and I'd hate to cut them off just because they happen to have the same characteristics as my attackers.

Do you see my point?

Do you think all football fans want to jump you in front of your wife?
Do you think all asians would do that or any other race of person?

You are a victim of an attack carried out by a minority of evil, vicious people who happened to be of a different race and may or may not have done it because of your skin colour, but don't stoop as low as them by holding it against every other person who is of that skin colour. Stand above that.

I study with a lot of people from a lot of different countries. I can't comprehend hating a race of people because it would mean I lost a lot of friends and the opportunity to make a lot more.

I think I am too friendly. I was jumped for not retaliating to the abuse those girls gave me. They followed me all the way to the shop trying to get a reaction and let me get a block from my house before they attacked me from behind. Maybe if I had a bit more aggression in me I would've at least managed to protect my face. But I am too proud to stoop to such levels so I was pinned to the floor instead. I was more bitter that people drove past and didn't stop to help me. The fact that the 'decent' people driving past just let me get kicked in the face.

Life is too short to hate people I don't know though.

polly 11-09-2008 01:17
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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 629627)
I disagree that it is racist - I think there is a need for certain jobs and that they are justified.
For example the womens centre in accrington/blackburn can advertise for just women workers because of the sensitive nature of the support they can provide. That isnt sexist it is a need being met.

Now tell me ...

you are in the middle of Moss side you are called to an incident where a yardie is waving a gun around irratically shouting and bawling in a really thick Jamaican accent you need to calm him down quickly but you dont understand a word he is saying except for the fact that he is calling you white scum.

what would you do ?

it happens and unfortunately these are times where jobs are allocated to certain sexes, races or abilities because it is the best option for the situations that crop up in that job.

If there was a job offered for a roofer - would you be saying it was discrmination if it stated you had to have arms and legs

damn you damn you all lol:pmad: :ptongue:

:jam1::lol::lol:


oh and it turns out he wasnt a yadrie after all - he had dropped his contact lens and was trying to stop people standing on it - the gun was a water pistol to moisturise his eye ballsies
Not quite the same but I know a white, female teacher who taught in a mainly black/Caribbean. When fights broke out, which they did on an almost daily basis, it was her that was sent to break them up - not the coloured male teachers who were at least twice her size. Why? Because she had the respect of the kids and the minute they knew she was around they would stop fighting. Also most of these kids were brought up by single mums so they were used to females word being law.
When male teachers of any ethnic origin were sent the kids took no notice and inevitabley the teacher ended up getting punched.
Now back to the question yes I think any group that makes criteria such as gender or race is discriminatory.
Strange thing is that in nature people always want to be with peop0le like themselves. Watch any large group and you will see the women get together as do the men, the old congregate together as do the younge etc etc

cashman 11-09-2008 01:18
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629756)

I think I am too friendly. I was jumped for not retaliating to the abuse those girls gave me. They followed me all the way to the shop trying to get a reaction and let me get a block from my house before they attacked me from behind. Maybe if I had a bit more aggression in me I would've at least managed to protect my face. But I am too proud to stoop to such levels so I was pinned to the floor instead. I was more bitter that people drove past and didn't stop to help me. The fact that the 'decent' people driving past just let me get kicked in the face.

Life is too short to hate people I don't know though.
ya should have told em blaze-- ya have only won Round 1. sod being too nice.;)

mthead 11-09-2008 01:18
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629756)
Football fans, you already said.

Mine were chav girls from Rhyddings. I try not to hate all white girls from rhyddings though even if I was a mess afterwards. It would be a bit of an inconvenience to me seen as I have friends who go there and I'd hate to cut them off just because they happen to have the same characteristics as my attackers.

Do you see my point?

Do you think all football fans want to jump you in front of your wife?
Do you think all asians would do that or any other race of person?

You are a victim of an attack carried out by a minority of evil, vicious people who happened to be of a different race and may or may not have done it because of your skin colour, but don't stoop as low as them by holding it against every other person who is of that skin colour. Stand above that.

I study with a lot of people from a lot of different countries. I can't comprehend hating a race of people because it would mean I lost a lot of friends and the opportunity to make a lot more.

I think I am too friendly. I was jumped for not retaliating to the abuse those girls gave me. They followed me all the way to the shop trying to get a reaction and let me get a block from my house before they attacked me from behind. Maybe if I had a bit more aggression in me I would've at least managed to protect my face. But I am too proud to stoop to such levels so I was pinned to the floor instead. I was more bitter that people drove past and didn't stop to help me. The fact that the 'decent' people driving past just let me get kicked in the face.

Life is too short to hate people I don't know though.
NO YOU miss understood.My attackers was from a certaian ethnic minority.

blazey 11-09-2008 01:20
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 629759)
Strange thing is that in nature people always want to be with peop0le like themselves. Watch any large group and you will see the women get together as do the men, the old congregate together as do the younge etc etc
I said this exact same thing to Jack Straw when he came into college and suggested we didn't like eachother because of race/religion. It seemed to completely go over the top of his head that people pick friends based on interest and personality and hobbies and such.

What a sad world it would be if we really just picked friends based on skin colour.

blazey 11-09-2008 01:23
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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 629762)
NO YOU miss understood.My attackers was from a certaian ethnic minority.
No I got that bit, I was being sarcastic. My point is that they could easily have been any race and attacked you. White people attack other white people, asian people attack other asian people. It happens all the time regardless of race, because the simple point is that there are evil people in every race. You shouldn't dislike an entire group of people because of a few idiots who hurt you even if they did attack you because of the colour of YOUR skin. There will still be more decent, considerate and gentle people in any race than evil, violent yobs.

That is my point.

Mancie 11-09-2008 01:27
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629756)
I think I am too friendly. I was jumped for not retaliating to the abuse those girls gave me. They followed me all the way to the shop trying to get a reaction and let me get a block from my house before they attacked me from behind. Maybe if I had a bit more aggression in me I would've at least managed to protect my face. But I am too proud to stoop to such levels so I was pinned to the floor instead. I was more bitter that people drove past and didn't stop to help me. The fact that the 'decent' people driving past just let me get kicked in the face.

Life is too short to hate people I don't know though.
Maybe you had bought the last lot of sour grapes... or you canned all the "black jacks" :D

BERNADETTE 11-09-2008 01:29
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Unlike the fat people you professed to hate not long ago. Find it a bit ironic how you can castigate anybody for their opinions!!!!

polly 11-09-2008 01:29
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The reason people who have been attacked or hurt in anyway do sterotype and dislike/hate entrie subgroups is very primitive. It is a defence mechanism the only way humans know to protect themselves in the future.
Example: when a child burns his hand in the fire he learns not to put his hand in the fire again
When same child is attacked by a gang of kids from Church he learns not to go near kids from Church,for kids from Church please insert any sub group: white, black, Scottish Welsh, etc etc

cashman 11-09-2008 01:32
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 629768)
The reason people who have been attacked or hurt in anyway do sterotype and dislike/hate entrie subgroups is very primitive. It is a defence mechanism the only way humans know to protect themselves in the future.
Example: when a child burns his hand in the fire he learns not to put his hand in the fire again
When same child is attacked by a gang of kids from Church he learns not to go near kids from Church,for kids from Church please insert any sub group: white, black, Scottish Welsh, etc etc
i can go with that no problem, thats life.

blazey 11-09-2008 01:34
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 629767)
Unlike the fat people you professed to hate not long ago. Find it a bit ironic how you can castigate anybody for their opinions!!!!
I don't go around attacking fat people though. I have plenty of fat friends. In fact, my husband is fat. What will I do?

I'm not saying I don't have prejudices, I'm not perfect. But I aim to not have them. I was brought up under a religion full of them also which is quite unfortunate.

polly 11-09-2008 01:35
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 629770)
i can go with that no problem, thats life.
It is and it has been hap0ening ever since man first evolved, so I doubt we are going to change the whole of humanity primal development theories on Accy Web, tonight

Mancie 11-09-2008 01:40
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Originally Posted by polly (Post 629768)
The reason people who have been attacked or hurt in anyway do sterotype and dislike/hate entrie subgroups is very primitive. It is a defence mechanism the only way humans know to protect themselves in the future.
Example: when a child burns his hand in the fire he learns not to put his hand in the fire again
When same child is attacked by a gang of kids from Church he learns not to go near kids from Church,for kids from Church please insert any sub group: white, black, Scottish Welsh, etc etc
and has been life from the wherever we want to start..so true..at the same time we are a "civilised" society and should take on the burden of acting civilised... if this country starts to take an approach were some sections of the community have an advantage .. then i'ts all gone

BERNADETTE 11-09-2008 01:42
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629771)
I don't go around attacking fat people though. I have plenty of fat friends. In fact, my husband is fat. What will I do?

I'm not saying I don't have prejudices, I'm not perfect. But I aim to not have them. I was brought up under a religion full of them also which is quite unfortunate.
As you don't seem to grasp words can be just as much if not more hurtful. So yes you did attack fat people.

By the way you kept that quiet, when did you get married?

garinda 11-09-2008 07:25
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By the way you kept that quiet, when did you get married?
Perhaps she met and married him at her college's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender group, which she earlier informed us she's a member of.;)

WillowTheWhisp 11-09-2008 09:07
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 629740)
Sometimes certain types of people are actually the best for the job and others simply wouldn't do it as well.
I can remember a firm of solicitors who employed a deaf person on their telephone switchboard. She probably had some means of interpreting what the caller said but it was often a real problem for the caller to understand her reply, as like many deaf people never having heard speech she did not form her words in the same way hearing people do. Talking to her face to face she could lip read and to an extent her listener would be able to do the same, but talking to her on the phone was a nightmare for me because I really struggled to understand but then felt very ignorant when I had to keep saying "Pardon?"

I have the same problem understanding telesales people from India (who insist on telling me they are called George or Keith!) and I used to feel that I shouldn't offend them by telling them that I can't understand them but now I think "Why the heck not?" If I haven't a clue what they are chunnering on about then they are really not going to be able to sell me anything are they? (Remember the voodoo woman from Fiji?)

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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 629742)
and that was my point i was making.
And that is why I said such 'discrimination' is not discrimination at all but common sense. It's about time people stopped jumping on the bandwagon and claiming racial harrassment or sexual discrimination or any other sort of thing that is not there at all.

yerself 11-09-2008 09:57
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'Of course, the National Black Police Association claims it is interested only in promoting racial harmony, both within the force and in relations between the police and the public. (It also makes the extraordinary claim on its website, in an attempt to justify its choice of name: 'The definition of "black" does not refer to skin colour.' So what does it refer to then?)'
I posted that, well the last sentence, at least three months ago when we last had a thread on this subject.:D:D
Here it is from 27.06.2008: http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ism-40655.html

Gayle 11-09-2008 11:44
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The problem with these groups is their aims and I think a lot of groups get tarred with the same brush when they actually have different aims.

I believe that every person should be treated equally when it comes to jobs i.e. positive discrimination is a no no for me. I've missed out on jobs in the past, is it because I'm a woman or is it because I was the wrong person for the job - whatever it is I won't be going blaming it on the fact that I'm a woman, life's too short and if that was the reason then it's the employers that have missed out, not me!

However, the flip side of that is that there are times when you need to promote some jobs to certain groups of people. The example of needing a black policeman in Moss side is a good one. If there aren't enough black men coming forward to join the police then you need to encourage them to do so because as it happens in that instance the colour of their skin would actually affect whether they are the best person for the job.

Neil 11-09-2008 13:16
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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 629627)
Now tell me ...

you are in the middle of Moss side you are called to an incident where a yardie is waving a gun around irratically shouting and bawling in a really thick Jamaican accent you need to calm him down quickly but you dont understand a word he is saying except for the fact that he is calling you white scum.

what would you do ?
the same thing as if he was white and waving a gun around - give the required warning and then shoot him.

Neil 11-09-2008 13:19
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 629836)
The example of needing a black policeman in Moss side is a good one.....as it happens in that instance the colour of their skin would actually affect whether they are the best person for the job.
That is only true if the people in Moss side are colour predujice. By this constant positive discrimination we are allowing these predujices to continue and possibly even grow.

Gayle 11-09-2008 13:58
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I don't think this is a case of positive discrimination though, I think it's a case of the best person for the job. If there was a woman's refuge which catered for battered women, would it be appropriate for a skinhead bloke with huge tattoos to get the job? Yes you might argue that he could be the best person for the job because his qualifications match, he's actually a really gentle giant etc - but if the 'best person' for the job is a threatening looking person to the women that need the service then he isn't actually the best person for the job.

jaysay 11-09-2008 17:52
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 629836)
The problem with these groups is their aims and I think a lot of groups get tarred with the same brush when they actually have different aims.

I believe that every person should be treated equally when it comes to jobs i.e. positive discrimination is a no no for me. I've missed out on jobs in the past, is it because I'm a woman or is it because I was the wrong person for the job - whatever it is I won't be going blaming it on the fact that I'm a woman, life's too short and if that was the reason then it's the employers that have missed out, not me!

However, the flip side of that is that there are times when you need to promote some jobs to certain groups of people. The example of needing a black policeman in Moss side is a good one. If there aren't enough black men coming forward to join the police then you need to encourage them to do so because as it happens in that instance the colour of their skin would actually affect whether they are the best person for the job.
A copper in Moss side with Breadlocks hanging from the back of his helmet just to fit in don't really make it for me Gayle, the law of the land should be observed and enforced regardless of creed or colour, there should be no nogo areas anywhere in this country.

Gayle 11-09-2008 18:07
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 629965)
the law of the land should be observed and enforced regardless of creed or colour, there should be no nogo areas anywhere in this country.
when did you steal my rose coloured specs? :D

garinda 11-09-2008 18:14
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 629992)
when did you steal my rose coloured specs? :D
Probably a couple of years ago, when you were half way up a garden path, and you suddenly saw the household was displaying a Union Jack.

:p:D

jaysay 12-09-2008 10:29
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 629992)
when did you steal my rose coloured specs? :D
Don't actualy think that Rose and jaysay go very well together Gayle:D

Gordie 12-09-2008 15:37
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That would not be in the ethnic advantage then would it


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