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Would you give permission for your childs pic to go public?
Ok first im not having a dig at emmamum here or flashy either, but after reading the debate betwen flashy and emmamum in the photo thread it got me thinking.
Would you allow a pic of your child to be put on a public website? I did a collection of parcels for the soldiers a few weeks ago at a speacial needs school over here, and to get pics and be able to put them on our sos website the teacher had to hand pick a handful of children whose parents had given permission for them to be photographed and believe me it wasnt that many. 5 or 6 tops out of a school of aprox 150. My daughter dosent allow our grandsons pic to be posted online and i personally agree with her, although my other grandchild is posted willy nilly on the net by her mum which I think is pretty disguting given her age. Now I agree that the world has gone mad and the do gooders have gone overboard with not allowing parents to take pics say at nativity plays and school concerts, I was gutted when my own daughter had one opportunity dancing at the Grand Theatre and I couldnt video her or take a pic and to make it worse even an organised vid wasnt done so all I have is a memory of that night. Her dad dosnt even have that. Where should the line be drawn? |
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I couldn't take a video of primary school children (of which my daughter was one) singing christmas carols last year at Blackburn Catherdral.
But I could do at school.................the head master asked if anybody had any objections and nobody had so I went ahead. I don't post alot of pics of my children on the net, and I'm careful where I do post them. But one thing I will say.............I use the name forceten on here, and yes, perhaps alot of people may know my name, but to have it mentioned in threads that people reply to I think is bang out of order. If I wanted to post under my name then I would do, so why then do people think it is ok to use your real name on replies? |
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happily this was not n issue when mine were kids, but even way back then my answer would have been no way. but to each his own i always say.
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Me I would say that it would be a resounding NO!!!!! This is a personal opinion but in this day and age with the instant access to information pictures etc by anybody then better to be safe than sorry.
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When all mine were at junior school cashy it wasnt an issue then
Now I do have pics etc of the nativity plays and its great to look back on them, and although the net thing wasnt an issue then either if it had been I would have prob had said no to pics online then. Thats what i mean when I ask where should the line be drawn? I think parents should be allowed school vids for home only of plays concerts etc or at least the school should do an organised one with the children whose parents have granted permission. I would be gutted had I not been allowed mine when they were younger |
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my child is MY child, i will put him on what i see fit but i would be totally outraged if someone else did it without my permission |
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The answer is no.
I wouldn't let strangers into my house to leaf through a family photo album, so why would I let them be viewed on the internet? I do put photographs of myself on Facebook, which are now only accessible to 'friends'. Some of those friends I've never met though, so that's a little weird too. |
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If you think about it the whole thing is strange.
It's like that game, Six Degrees of Separation. On a social networking site, a couple of clicks later you can be looking at the most intimate family photographs and videos of people you don't know...but sometimes there are enough clues given to easily identify them. I find the whole thing a bit odd. |
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How many people see the child in Asda or walking down the street? I don't see why some of you are so scared of people seeing children. Please can someone explain why we have this photo phobia? All it is doing is ruining the memories of our children's childhood. At what age do you think it is ok to post pictures of people on websites? Why is it so different to the school photo's we see printed in the Observer? |
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Im guilty of posting my great nephew online but i did ask mums permission first and it was an old photo .... he is now nearly 6. But do agree with flashy ... all pics of kids should have their parents permission each and everyone. Even if a parent has given permission to have their photo taken at school it does not mean that it can be posted on a website.
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There are no laws regarding taking pictures of children.. there are no laws regarding putting pictures on the internet. Anyone can take a pic of anyone elses kids and publish them online
On private property its up to the person who owns/in charge to make up there own rules re who can take photographs.. to this end such as schools will do the permission thing before letting anyone take pics. You should all be aware that in public anyone can take any pics of you or your children and do what they want with them.. there are some restrictions re commercial use but only if you or your child is the prominant feature of the pic. My own personal opnion is that there should be laws.... But I seem to be in the minority on that one amongst photographers:) |
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Since law has been brought up, and I work with kids, I know that many places have policy which doesnt print childrens full names or names at all under picutres.
It is particularly in place for when people have injunctions against people to protect their childrens safety, so that if they come across a picture of a child in a newpaper or whatever, they may think there is a chance but it isn't as blatantly obvious as when a name is underneath the picture. The department that I work for at the university had an issue a few years back where they made the mistake of printing a little girls name under the picture in their publication for a summer course or something like that and she had to go through an unpleasant experience where her father tracked her down... not very nice. So we safeguard children that way. We also have rules against taking pictures. We aren't allowed to take them unless asked to by whoever is supervising us, children have to have consent forms off their parents. There are even rules about being in pictures with the students themselves but this isfor our protection as well as theres. What do I think about the internet and photographs? Well, I think intimate pictures such as your kids splashing nude in the bath or whatever should definitely not go on the internet... though saying that... my friend at uni has a picture of himself as a child in the bath with his sister... so it makes me wonder... are we bothered about paedophiles having material to get kicks out of like this, or are we only concerned when the child in the photo is still a child... I don't have the answer to that... but I wouldn't hesitate about putting similar pictures of myself up, but then if I'm not being abused in the picture then am I being abused if the picture is used for that? I have very liberal views on these things anyway and I suppose one would call me 'lenient' though obviously I find it wrong just like anyone else, just find it a more interesting phenomenon I guess than some people who obviously just think of it in a purely criminal way. More in the sense of how a psychologist might like to look at it I guess. If I had time I'd like to read more into these things but I just don't. |
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lets be honest, 99.999% of most folks have absolutly no interest in looking at pictures of children they dont know , would go so far as to say that most folks think other folks kids are ugly brats probably in need of a smack , only your own are cute ,
As for the argument it allows 'psycho' parents to track down their own kids , its probably in most cases the custodial parent who has psychlogical problems . A child is the product of two people and unless EXTREME circumstances exist (in which case the offending parent should by neccessity be under supervised care) there should be no problem with the childs image appearing in the media . All this blather about cameras not being allowed at nativity plays etc. is just another example of mass hysteria (think Dianas funeral) and just shows how gullible/stupid/dumb some folks are, and how they are easily led by the unscruplous media and politicians |
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Goodness me, if the child is clothed why the heck not. You see children anywhere and everywhere, its not like there is something to hide here. Teach the kids to not talk to strangers and you have nothing to worry about. I recently went to Siobhans first Nativity at the Nursery. I asked if it was OK and ended up being unofficial school photgrapher and videographer. Copies of all pictures were given back to the school for free distribution amongst the parents. The video I'm still working on but will be given back the same. |
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Pick up any high street store catalouge its full of posing kids.. your right pics of kids are everywhere.. pause the telly.. theres thousands.
But as a parent I would rather be the one who decides if pictures that feature my children are displayed on the internet or anywhere else.. I am not talking scenes or pictures with my children in.. I am talking pictures that actually feature as the main point. |
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how does that go for pics that are taken at carnivals and such like Kipax?
i know you took some pics of the last carnival, on one of them is one of my mates and her little cousin, you put them on the net did you ask permission? |
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My daughter was on a picture in the observer office window.............without my permission, i was ready to go in but the missus persuaded me not to. MY kids, MY pictures MY decision.......MY kids, somebody elses pictures..............a very annoyed ME
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[quote=Neil;663792]Why is it so disgusting?
I think its disgusting the child is plastered on the net at such a young age being encouraged to pose . Its not right and its not the way a child should be expected to behave. Ok they are NOT indecent but they are way to advanced IMO For that age. Yes!!! its her child , her decision but I have my opinion too . How many people see the child in Asda or walking down the street? I don't see why some of you are so scared of people seeing children. Please can someone explain why we have this photo phobia? All it is doing is ruining the memories of our children's childhood. I agree with you here Neil, bit this is seeing a child in a natural everyday environment. Dont get me wrong if a mum wants her child to do modelling fine, my sister did it with my neice, but as in most cases she wanted to know exactly where the pics would be published and it gave her an idea of what audience would be viewing them. If she didnt like where they were going she withdrew her from the photo shoot. My Objection is with a young child being thrown all over a social network and no saftey measures in place to protect who is viewing them. At what age do you think it is ok to post pictures of people on websites? At whatever age the parent decides suitable, but uses common sense to protect. I know my gripe is a little personal but it makes me wonder how many more young parents do such things without considering the consequences.. I know most would have the common sense to protect their young as parental instinct kicks in but im sure there are those that dont too |
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I guess its around
"you take pictures of the crowd at a carnival, on some the key 'feature' of that picture are other peoples children enthrolled/excited etc at the carnival, you post them on the internet without asking the parents permissions. " How does that tally with your own view of Quote:
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Well my business would take a real nosedive if I were unable to show kids' portraits in the shop- and I think there's more reason to be bothered by such local displays than global ones.
It's just people are scared by the scale of the internet. The worldwide availability of an image of a nameless child photographed in a possibly unknown location has a low risk or likelihood of being able to identify the child. In some owner-operated studio like ours in a small town, or a local rag (from any sized town) where they print the kids' names under the picture, the chance of being able to meet the child in a picture is that much higher. Nobody has mentioned what the kids want, yet: I always ask them, as well. It's not happened yet, but I'm waiting for the day when a parent is happy for their child's image to be displayed but the child has other ideas... |
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I have my boys pic as my avatar, I personally dont see anything wrong with this.
I wouldnt publish pics of anyone elses kids without the parents permission though |
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also my views where my views on my kids.. not my views on what other people should do.. still a bit confused as to what flashy or yourself means. 1) no laws thus no permission needed 2) scenes with kids in v featured 3) my views on my kids.. not someones cousins views and there kids 4) my colds nearly gone :) |
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I do have double-standards on this, though. It's only when it comes to kids, the older generation, and more personal pictures that I respect others' wishes over my rights. If, for example, I took a photo of a whole bunch of people shouting racial abuse at a football match (for the sake of a random example), I'd have no problem publishing it and would probably ignore anyone asking me not to. Quote:
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Most pics of kids are mine.. other peoples kids are either them knowing i have taken them or them in situations where they know they wil be photographed .. with 75 thousand pics online then some will get through.. but not that many and my instant removal notice is there for any that do. |
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Also at the age he is able tochoose forhimself whether he wants a photo broadcasting over the internet or wherever. Whilst I have responsibility for his safety and upbringing, I choose not to do that. Put it this way, whilst I dont mention my childs name on here, I know some people know what it is, how old he is etc. and details such as this are on Accy web for example for anyone to see. Add to that a picture as well, and any strangerwould be quite capable of having a conversation with him, with enough correct information to have him feel more secure than he should. Enough people are wary of identity theft, I holdmy son more important than my identity. Going back to the OP, I've got to admit, whilst I willingly give permission for my sons photo to be taken by other parents, I would not be happy for it to then be plastered on the internet to be honest. |
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Would like to know why, when I asked police a few months ago, before I moved back to Clayton, if I was in a public place, ie on the pavement, I was not allowed to take pictures of juveniles vandalising property. :confused:
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Why should anyone worry about attaching a picture of their toddler to this thread. Can anyone explain why that would be increasing the risk of something bad happening to the toddler or their family? |
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true and therefore thats not a situation i meant. lets not make things up eh :). although as said.. if in a public place then you currently have no rights as to wether you or your kids can be photographed or not.. and equally no rights as to wether someone post them onto the internet.. There are situations where you will go that you know you will be photographed.. if you take part in a nativity play and people are there with cameras.. then duh :) |
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It comes down to the individual at the end of the day. Some will exploit their kids and have them running around like little "trophies" yet others lock them away like family heirlooms. We could argue all day about this and no one is right nor is anyone wrong. People like Studio 25 and K-P make a living out of photo's, some have it as a hobby, some like loads of photo's of their kids growing up others none. At the end of the days we weigh up the pro's n con's before deciding and I dont believe parents dont do this when considering pictures.
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It all comes down to the present obsession with paedophilia, doesn't it? So many parents are convinced that there is a paedophile hiding round every corner and, once he/she has seen a child's face in a picture, he/she will immediately be plotting to pounce.
Keep your child off the internet by all means, there is an element of danger in some chat sites etc., but a picture of a child, provided the picture is decent and in no way "pornographic", is hardly, to my mind, in the same league. |
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Safety measures to protect against what? It's not intended to sound confrontational- I genuinely don't know why I should worry about attaching a picture of my nine-year-old son to this thread. If you could explain why I'd be increasing the risk of something bad happening to him or to our family, I'd be grateful.[/quote]
Safety measures to protesct against whose going to be viewing! Lets say for instance facebook, you can have settings in place to choose who views your profile, homepage etc etc. I choose who I want to see my pics on facebook so unless our computer whizzes know of a way to access them (and Im sure most do )they stay within the limits I want them to. Like I have said It is my personal opinion on this bit inparticular but you have said it yourself. " who has bothered to ask the child what they want"? although at such a young age they dont really have a say so its left in the hands of the parent to choose whats safe and whats not. I personally would never have had my own children posing for pics and placed them on a social networking site. why should I? If my children wanted to pose for the family album they would... (a) choose the pose themselves be it a silly or serious and (b) be at a reasonable age to decide for themselves which pics (if any) they wanted plonking on a website. I think most people wil have double standard on this topic (myself included) Oh and for the record I dont see a problem with you attaching a pic of your 9 year old to this thread if you so wish all Im saying is I wouldnt want to:) |
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While the unsavory warped minority are around there will always be fear. The chat sites are a good example and going on all the social networking kids get up to online it can be a valid fear. When this fear is removed (if ever) we might get peace of mind but until then we have to use our commen sense to protect our kids.
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No-one should put pictures of other people's children on the internet without first asking permission from the child's parents.
You don't know the circumstances of every child in the group. As Blazey said, some people do not want a violent ex partner to trace them and pictures on the internet may lead to them being traced......possibly with tragic consequences. :( I would have no problem with one or two photos of my children being posted but I would not put group pictures on which showed other children without their parent's consent. |
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Untrue as a fact.. Valid enough as an opinion :) |
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Let's be honest these people are amongst us, the clever ones probably won't be caught, the obsessive ones do get caught.
How on earth do we mix innocent piccies of our, children with the type of photo's these people want? Instead of worrying about silly little pic's that cause no bother at all, maybe we should be worrying about the poor little child that sits in the corner afraid to mix with the others because, they are the ones suffering because of the perv's and they daren't say anything! Innocent photographs are just that, the harmful pictures are the ones that ruin a childs life for ever, (but then without the camera, they would always be suffering), be happy if your child isn't one of them. :( |
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Does anyone know why or when karma was changed - and why we the users were not informed ;) |
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I know things are a little different in Clayton though, I used to live there after all ;) |
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Yes...why not, he's out in public nearly everyday, like a million other kids! It wouldnt bother me in the slightest. |
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Good post Less. Is it not the case that most child abuse of any nature is actually done by a family member ? sure I read it somewhere. |
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Except when you neglect your kids like the McCain's did, which you can also blame on the actions of the parents. |
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you took some pics of the last carnival, you took some pics with kids in them, you put them on the internet, did you get permission from the childrens parents? |
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I think most have admitted to double standards.. we all think one thing about our own kids.. the protective thing but dont so much about other peoples.. If and when i put pics onsite (rare) with other peoples kids it would be soemthing like a carnival and I always follow the acceptable guidelines.. A far cry from lurking behind the bushes in a park eh? The comments I made in my original post where my thoughts about my kids... it wasnt something i suggested others should follow with there kids. |
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kipax, i've always got on with you, you know that...i wasnt drawing you in at all, i was only trying to prove a point and i think my point has been proved
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I meant it light hearted :) I knew where you wuz going with it.. had my reply all ready ... yes double standards.. probably a lot of it about when it comes to being a parent |
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I didnt know ya needed permission to take photos of other peoples kids!
Theres no law saying ya need to is there? |
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Then it was pointed out that some of my carnival/mela and the like pics have kids in them.. there done in the right manner guidelines ect.. but it is double standards for me to say one thing and do another.. In my defence.. what i say is about my kids and how I feel.. its not about other peoples and how they feel.. each to his own :) |
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having your kids modelling you give your permission for those pics to be seen
two of my nephews are on the books for catalogue modelling BUT my sister gave permission for that, not having permission is what this thread is all about isnt it? |
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Most people don't mind others taking photos of their kids but many do not want those photos on the internet for varying reasons. This is why, in my opinion, you should not put pictures of other people's kids on the internet without their parents permission. We had some family photos taken recently at Garth Dawson's studio. The photographer rang us when they were ready and asked if it was ok to display a couple of them in the shop window. It's only manners these days. |
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You can get into trouble taking pictures in certain places and of certain things... But thats more rules by owners than law because as studio25 says.. no laws :) |
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I dont think it would.. I would have thought they would be thankfull.. but a crime scene as they could say it.. is a grey area.. its one of the few places they can stop you taking pictures and I was guessing that a crime being permitted is a crime scene... OR isnt there a law about not stopping someone commiting a crime you see happening and as such taking pictures would be pushing the limits a bit.. again a guess :) |
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Caz.. fromn your point of view.. you might be interested in the following article.. UK Photographers Rights
UK Photographers Rights or direct to article PDF -> http://www.sirimo.co.uk/media/UKPhotographersRights.pdf |
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hmm not strictly true.. it is an offence to take pictures of bank notes.. theres some other stuff as well :) |
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These are the guidelines I use in respect to tkaing pictures of under 18s. They are from the FA (Football Association) who dont require photographers to be CRB checked to photograph kids football which is another myth that they are required.. All they do is suggest these guidelines.
http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/27...ngFootball.pdf |
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Only bit I can find unless I missed somat is the one that says you must not obstruct the police in their duties by the taking of photos. Doesn't actually apply if the cops aren't there though does it :confused: So what we are saying is that we can pretty much take any picture anywhere, as long as it's not someone who is committing an offence, who otherwise might not be caught? laughable :D |
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Wasn't getting at you KP! :D Just saying the law (or supposed law), or the law enforcers is/are an ass/es, yet again.
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I was referring to some years back when my neice did child modelling. My sis had the last say as to wether she was comfortable with the shoot. It was only clothes , toys etc but if she felt the clothes were not for her age group she would withdraw her. It didnt happen often but it did happen. There was nothing sinister whatsoever but at the end of the day it came back down to again Manners and parental consent and common sense. Hope thats a bit clearer, :D |
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Not really !!! They are more copetitions I think and she was never entered into those , |
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have you seen my page on wedding photography on my website :) I did get forced into one wedding.. well bullied into it almost.. just made me even more determined not to do them.. I did a sikh wedding and was well pleased wiht that.. loved every minute.. that was a one off for a mate though ie the groom oops wandering again... |
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Why not give permission? If you don't, and the youngster gets a great award or something at school, they won't know the pleasure of going in the local paper like I did when I was at school! If you've got a violent ex partner or something, then maybe not, but don't see the harm in 99% of cases - it's not like you're giving out the kid's email is it?
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