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garinda 24-03-2009 17:28

Ower Father, who art in Heaven.
 
Sadly I had a dream about Accy Web last night.:eek:

In my dream I was told off by Gayle, for keep posting 'are' when I mean 'our. It might have been that Gayle was my dream girl because we play Scrabble so much, I don't really know. Still it makes a change from dreaming about running a shoe designing business in Italy with Lily, an Accy Webber I've never met...except in my industrious slumbers.:D

I do keep writting 'are' instead of 'our'. I usually see it and manage to edit those posts before the edit timer kicks in, but not always.

To say I read so much my spelling isn't that good, but I do try, and find Google a God send, when it asks 'do you mean...?', when you've posted an approximate spelling to the word you're looking for.

I've come to the conclusion I keep 'are'-ing, rather than 'our'-ing, because I pronounce them both the same way.

I think I one finger type what I'm dictating, silently though...and hopefully without my lips moving!:D

Although my accent is becoming stronger, living half my life away from Lancashire has affected my accent. I'm still definitely a 'keep off the grah-ss', rather than a 'grass-ss' sort of speaker. At a meeting today someone asked how long I'd lived up here, and rudely thought I was a southerner. I quickly put her right. My Lancashire roots may have been shaken by my wanderings, but they are still there, as strong as ever, even if the accent sadly isn't.

If my accents ever becomes so strong that I ask you over to 'ower house for a cuppa', then I'll never 'are' onstead of 'our' again. If in the meantime a few slip in, please forgive me.

Anymore amusing Lancashire dialect oddities?

I remember some people from Surrey we met on holiday years ago, looked most perplexed when we told them our waiter had been 'crammed' that morning.:D

MargaretR 24-03-2009 18:12

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696141)
I remember some people from Surrey we met on holiday years ago, looked most perplexed when we told them our waiter had been 'crammed' that morning.:D

I think you meant cramned :D

West Ender 24-03-2009 19:07

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A colleague, years ago in Bury, talking on the phone to a company MD. She was putting on her best telephone voice, kept saying, "yahs" and "sahtainly", etc., when I heard her say, "Haokay then, Ay'll send you some jast in case you mate need them for owt." :D

Mind you, this was the lady who puzzled me when we went for a lunchtime drink one day. It took me a while to realise that she wasn't asking for chairs. She was saying, "cheers." :p

West Ender 24-03-2009 19:12

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Just had to add, I was despairing in Dunhelm Mill the other week. There was a printed sign saying, "Bedside cabinets - 3, 4 and 5 draws". :eek:

Less 24-03-2009 19:15

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696141)


If my accents ever becomes so strong that I ask you over to 'ower house for a cuppa',

Dusti mean:-

If my Lanky twang becomes o'er powerful that I asks "tha' ower t' r'ouse fer t' brew".

eh cock?

http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-5174.gif

flashy 24-03-2009 20:21

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when i was seeing my ex Stuart about 6 years ago Reece and i where spending a couple of weeks down at his place in Towcester, one day when he was at work Reece and i nipped into the chemist near where he lived...i overheard the two ladies behind the counter going on about different accents and one said to the other 'have you heard the common accent that woman has on the fimbles' (she meant Jane Horrocks) i was deeply shocked by what she had said because Jane Horrocks was brought up in Rossendale, i duely marched over to the counter, and told both the women that 'that common woman' was from Lancashire, the same part of ENGLAND that i was from....needless to say, they looked rather embarrased as i marched out of the shop with my head held high and a huge grin on my face :D

garinda 25-03-2009 10:48

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 696154)
I think you meant cramned :D

Has anyone else heard of the term crammed, or cramned, according to Margaret Rutherford (:D)?

I'm sure I once found it in a slang or Lancashire dialect dictionary, meaning grumpy, or bad tempered, but can find no reference to it now, under either spelling.

It's a term used a lot in our family...though never to describe me.:D

jaysay 25-03-2009 10:50

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I used to reguraly get calls from CCO, and had to chastise the Person on the other end when they used to call Hyndburn, Hindburn, my usually thing was to say con yow not talk reet dane yon, that really put um in a spin:D

MargaretR 25-03-2009 11:03

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Neither Gary nor myself spelt it right
I found it here
The Dialect Dictionary - Lancashire Dialect - Cop Cooat Clog-merk Chump Chuntin Cram - Language your way
'cramnd'

yerself 25-03-2009 11:29

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Originally Posted by garinda
I do keep writting 'are' instead of 'our'.

Two more commonly confused are where and were. They're both pronounced 'whirr' in this part of Lancashire.

garinda 25-03-2009 11:34

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 696414)

Well done Miss Marple.:D

Caz 25-03-2009 11:50

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696407)
Has anyone else heard of the term crammed, or cramned, according to Margaret Rutherford (:D)?

I'm sure I once found it in a slang or Lancashire dialect dictionary, meaning grumpy, or bad tempered, but can find no reference to it now, under either spelling.

It's a term used a lot in our family...though never to describe me.:D

In our family it's most often used to refer to little ones when they are grizzly.

One my gran used a lot was "his nibs." Is that Lancy or is it common everywhere?

Gayle 25-03-2009 13:01

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I'm far too polite to correct anyone's spelling. Although you've no idea how many times I'd like to. :D

Actually, spelling doesn't bother me quite as much as punctuation does. :D


PS - I'm very flattered to be in your dreams, and your spelling seems to be quite ok on Scrabble having beaten me quite a few times lately.

jaysay 25-03-2009 16:28

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 696447)
I'm far too polite to correct anyone's spelling. Although you've no idea how many times I'd like to. :D

Actually, spelling doesn't bother me quite as much as punctuation does. :D


PS - I'm very flattered to be in your dreams, and your spelling seems to be quite ok on Scrabble having beaten me quite a few times lately.

Punctuation Gayle whats that:D

katex 25-03-2009 17:36

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I don't think there is any set way to spell dialect words that have not been accepted in the Oxford dictionary. Just the way interested parties have translated them into the written word from the sound. So anything goes as far as I am concerned.

It's so easy to put down the sound in your head when answering on a forum, I do it quite a lot.

Am waiting for someone to write 'chimley' for chimney... :D

Wonder/wander is a common error(Mick does it ... LOL). Sure he knows the difference.

Eric 25-03-2009 18:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696530)
Punctuation Gayle whats that:D

those little marks you put on a page that show where to pause and where not too and where to stop and whether or not you are asking a question of giving a command or just running off at the mouth at a great pace and confusing people who are too drunked up of wasted to put in the natural pauses that seem to be implied by the meaning and the context of what is being said and there are also the big letters and the little ones that are sometimes called upper case and lower case which are terms that come from printing usually with hand compositing which was often done by compositors who were semi literate like the guy who composited merchant of venice but it doesn't matter if it is finnegan's wake;)

Eric 25-03-2009 18:20

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Oops that should be "finnegans" and "doesnt".

MargaretR 25-03-2009 18:22

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We sometimes get posts like that here. I tend to lose patience part way through reading them, and skip to the next post.
So if you want to make a point, please punctuate.

yerself 25-03-2009 18:58

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Originally Posted by MargaretR
We sometimes get posts like that here. I tend to lose patience part way through reading them, and skip to the next post.
So if you want to make a point, please punctuate.

Have a read at this Margaret. I posted it ages ago but you may not have seen it.

The Importance of Correct Punctuation
-unknown


Dear Garinda,
I want a man who knows what love is all about. You are generous, kind, thoughtful. People who are not like you admit to being useless and inferior. You have ruined me for other men. I yearn for you. I have no feelings whatsoever when we're apart. I can be forever happy--will you let me be yours?
Margaret

Dear Garinda,
I want a man who knows what love is. All about you are generous, kind, thoughtful people, who are not like you. Admit to being useless and inferior. You have ruined me. For other men, I yearn. For you, I have no feelings whatsoever. When we're apart, I can be forever happy. Will you let me be?
Yours,
Margaret

MargaretR 25-03-2009 19:06

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Dear Gary,
He or she wasn't quoting me. He was just illustrating a point. ;)

Eric 25-03-2009 19:09

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There is an example from an oracular prediction given to a king going off to war.
The prediction: "Ibo redibus nunquam in bello peribis" (sorry my Latin is rough and rusty) which means something like "you will go you will return never in war will you perish." Depending on how you punctuate it, it can mean two entirely different things. The king interpreted it in a positve way; went off to war; was defeated and killed.

yerself 25-03-2009 19:38

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Originally Posted by MargaretR
He or she

The wife says it.:)

Eric 25-03-2009 20:03

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My accent and dialect are almost completely gone ... I lived in Saskatchewan for about fifteen years, and Brits are as rare as trees in the prairies; so, I guess I just slipped into the lingo without noticing it. I can still make sense of dialect poetry, but some of the slang confuses me ... one thing I did discover tho' was why, in Lancashire, "who" is often substituted for "she".

derekgas 25-03-2009 20:15

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I remember having a chuckle whilst in Birmingham a few years ago, I was interested to hear someone say 'the neighbours are having it off again!' which, in Birmingham, of course means 'having a row/tiff'

jaysay 26-03-2009 10:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 696546)
I don't think there is any set way to spell dialect words that have not been accepted in the Oxford dictionary. Just the way interested parties have translated them into the written word from the sound. So anything goes as far as I am concerned.

It's so easy to put down the sound in your head when answering on a forum, I do it quite a lot.

Am waiting for someone to write 'chimley' for chimney... :D

Wonder/wander is a common error(Mick does it ... LOL). Sure he knows the difference.

Just heard that google, with a small G, is now in the concisest English dictionary.

Benipete 27-03-2009 06:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696838)
Just heard that google, with a small G, is now in the concisest English dictionary.

Well the word has been around a long time,I remember a hit record in the 60's by the Nashville Teens called Google Eye.:theband:

Gayle 27-03-2009 11:46

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Funny article in the Guardian today about Regional English.

A few words that they credited to Lancashire that I hadn't heard.

The G2 guide to regional English | UK news | The Guardian

churchman phil 27-03-2009 14:41

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I commonly say "Stop fleckin'" if someone is scratching themselves. Someone I know from the Potteries area thought I'd made the word up!!

jaysay 27-03-2009 16:15

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 697289)
Funny article in the Guardian today about Regional English.

A few words that they credited to Lancashire that I hadn't heard.

The G2 guide to regional English | UK news | The Guardian

Sounds like a load of Tethera-Bumpit to me Gayle:D

jaysay 27-03-2009 16:17

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 697344)
I commonly say "Stop fleckin'" if someone is scratching themselves. Someone I know from the Potteries area thought I'd made the word up!!

Used to remember an old Irish bloke saying what the feck are you doing:rolleyes:

churchman phil 27-03-2009 17:21

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You've been watching too much Father Ted there Jaysay!

garinda 27-03-2009 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 697289)
Funny article in the Guardian today about Regional English.

A few words that they credited to Lancashire that I hadn't heard.

The G2 guide to regional English | UK news | The Guardian

agate busy, on the go (Lancashire)

That always makes me laugh, though I think they have the meaning wrong, or I've never heard it used in that context.

I've always understood it to be the past tense of say, as in 'She were agate to me'.

:confused:

Benipete 27-03-2009 18:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 697439)
agate busy, on the go (Lancashire)

That always makes me laugh, though I think they have the meaning wrong, or I've never heard it used in that context.

I've always understood it to be the past tense of say, as in 'She were agate to me'.

:confused:

Quite right,She's agate,He's agate.Means she/he is saying.:)

jaysay 28-03-2009 09:49

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 697410)
You've been watching too much Father Ted there Jaysay!

To be totally honest Churchman I have never seen one episode of Father Ted, not my cup of tea

yerself 28-03-2009 10:30

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Originally Posted by jaysay
I have never seen one episode of Father Ted, not my cup of tea

How do you know if you've not seen it?:D

Gayle 28-03-2009 11:17

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 697439)
agate busy, on the go (Lancashire)

That always makes me laugh, though I think they have the meaning wrong, or I've never heard it used in that context.

I've always understood it to be the past tense of say, as in 'She were agate to me'.

:confused:

When I was younger and used 'agate' I always thought it meant 'told' i.e. he were agate - he told me.

When I used 'agate' my mum, in her efforts to stamp it out of me, always said, 'five bar or wrought iron'. It was particularly annoying so I did stop using it many years ago.

jaysay 28-03-2009 12:57

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 697731)
How do you know if you've not seen it?:D

Smart arse:D I watched ten minutes early on:D

garinda 28-03-2009 16:46

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 697753)
When I was younger and used 'agate' I always thought it meant 'told' i.e. he were agate - he told me.

When I used 'agate' my mum, in her efforts to stamp it out of me, always said, 'five bar or wrought iron'. It was particularly annoying so I did stop using it many years ago.

That's how I know the term too.

I've never heard it to mean 'busy/on the go'.

I think they're wrong with that one.

BERNADETTE 28-03-2009 16:55

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 697889)
That's how I know the term too.

I've never heard it to mean 'busy/on the go'.

I think they're wrong with that one.

Yes that is how I understood it to be used as well:)

West Ender 28-03-2009 21:36

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You can say, "I was going", meaning, "I was saying". So the dialect, "I was agate", isn't far off if "agate" means "going" and "going" means "saying". Right?

Are you following this? I shall be asking questions later. :confused:

When I was little there was one game we played, and I can't for the life of me remember what it was, that started with a rhyme. The only bit of this rhyme I remember is the last line, just as the kids run off to actually play the game, and it was, "If you're ready, get agate". It sticks in my mind particularly as it took me a long time to work out what "get agate" meant but it meant "get going". :rolleyes:

emamum 28-03-2009 21:40

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agate is an accrington thing, id never heard it till i moved over here and i thought it was "a-get"

West Ender 28-03-2009 21:59

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AGATE - Strange Wigan verb vaguely meaning "to be doing/to start", as in, ArtAGATEagen thee? or therAGATEagen up yonder

Looks like it could be a Wigan word too. The above comes from the WiganWorld website. Nuff said! :D

garinda 28-03-2009 22:24

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 697987)
AGATE - Strange Wigan verb vaguely meaning "to be doing/to start", as in, ArtAGATEagen thee? or therAGATEagen up yonder

Looks like it could be a Wigan word too. The above comes from the WiganWorld website. Nuff said! :D

Wiganers usually have too much pie in their mouths to be heard clearly enough to know what they're saying.:D

junetta 28-03-2009 22:52

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The thing that used to really bug me when I lived in Cornwall was the way they substituted 'have' with 'of'. You know like 'she would of'. My daughter does it too............grrrrrr

cashman 28-03-2009 23:16

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me grandad always said whats he "Agate" so i always took it to mean= on about.:confused:

shillelagh 29-03-2009 19:15

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i thought agate was some kind of gemstone you learn something everyday!!!!


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