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planetsusie 14-04-2009 06:40

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Just got back from a w/end wandering around mid Wales and I'm wondering what the guides are for warning us walkers there is a bull in the field?
What I have learned is that I can run fast when I have to n no way am I testing the theory that you turn and face it waving your arms about...No way...eeeeeeeeeek

jaysay 14-04-2009 09:33

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I think its the same now Susie as it was when I was young (a long, long time ago), if your out walking, before entering a field make doubly sure there are no bulls knocking about:D either that or use running shoes instead of boots:D

MargaretR 14-04-2009 09:48

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Sometimes farmers deliberately place bulls in fields where there is a right of way footpath, in order to deter people from using that path.

churchman phil 14-04-2009 12:57

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All you need to know about Bulls in fields can be found HERE.

You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

MargaretR 14-04-2009 13:51

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So it is illegal to put bulls in fields that have a public footpath - but it does happen

churchman phil 14-04-2009 17:41

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Only Dairy Bulls, as far as I know Beef bulls are allowed as long as they are with cows and calves.

derekgas 14-04-2009 18:04

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That theory does work planetsusie, so instead of trying to bring about your end running, stand and wave your arms about, with plenty of shouting, they get very close, but they do stop, I was taught this on a farm many years ago, I should also say, they were 'normal' bullocks, (black and white), I dont know if it works with all bulls.

Benipete 14-04-2009 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 704105)
Just got back from a w/end wandering around mid Wales and I'm wondering what the guides are for warning us walkers there is a bull in the field?
What I have learned is that I can run fast when I have to n no way am I testing the theory that you turn and face it waving your arms about...No way...eeeeeeeeeek

Try waving a large red rag.:D:D

West Ender 14-04-2009 21:13

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Bullocks (not bulls) live in fields in nice little groups - all lads together - just not for a very long time. They are very curious animals and will surround you, usually hoping you've arrived with some food, and think it's good fun to chase you if you run. On the whole they're harmless but have bad breath and fart a lot.

If there's a bull in a field with cows it's likely to be quite docile because it's a happy bull - if you get my meaning. They are unpredictable but not totally dangerous and they don't just think - "Person > chase > kill." They think happy thoughts and leer at the next cow.

A bull in a field on his own thinks - "Why are you in my field? Are you the AI man? Where are my cows? I'm annoyed now." That's when you run.
:D

Royboy39 14-04-2009 21:20

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 704457)
Bullocks (not bulls) live in fields in nice little groups - all lads together - just not for a very long time. They are very curious animals and will surround you, usually hoping you've arrived with some food, and think it's good fun to chase you if you run. On the whole they're harmless but have bad breath and fart a lot.

If there's a bull in a field with cows it's likely to be quite docile because it's a happy bull - if you get my meaning. They are unpredictable but not totally dangerous and they don't just think - "Person > chase > kill." They think happy thoughts and leer at the next cow.

A bull in a field on his own thinks - "Why are you in my field? Are you the AI man? Where are my cows? I'm annoyed now." That's when you run.
:D

Especially if your name is Margaret. :thankya::Banane59:

katex 14-04-2009 21:26

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LOL Westender, maybe Susie misinterpreted the intentions of this bull:-

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Aaaw.

cashman 14-04-2009 21:31

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 704329)
That theory does work planetsusie, so instead of trying to bring about your end running, stand and wave your arms about, with plenty of shouting, they get very close, but they do stop, I was taught this on a farm many years ago, I should also say, they were 'normal' bullocks, (black and white), I dont know if it works with all bulls.

that sounds like a right load of bullocks to me.:D;)

Royboy39 14-04-2009 21:46

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 704329)
That theory does work planetsusie, so instead of trying to bring about your end running, stand and wave your arms about, with plenty of shouting, they get very close, but they do stop, I was taught this on a farm many years ago, I should also say, they were 'normal' bullocks, (black and white), I dont know if it works with all bulls.

I can assure you it does not....If the animal gets close enough for you to tell if it's a bull or a bullock.....you have got problems...black, white or sky blue pink, a normal bullock has had it's balls removed, a bull has not.
If you stand and wave in front of a bull you are more likely to try and claim compen for a horn up the arse or worse. ;):D

katex 14-04-2009 21:46

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Had a similar experience on Saturday whilst walking over Barley with yer daughter Susie, this sheep had an unusual interest in us which was quite intimidating :-

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Until we realised she may have found a hairdressing soul mate ... :D:D

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jaysay 15-04-2009 11:07

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 704213)
So it is illegal to put bulls in fields that have a public footpath - but it does happen

Thats funny Margaret I always thought farmers were a law unto themselves:D

Royboy39 15-04-2009 18:21

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This is my field......and don't think the duck pond will save you. :eek:

Attachment 13682 :D:D:D

planetsusie 15-04-2009 20:51

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hahaha

mattylad 16-04-2009 13:19

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The problem with laws preventing bulls in fields with a ROW, is that bulls cannot read :D

jaysay 16-04-2009 16:11

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 704908)
The problem with laws preventing bulls in fields with a ROW, is that bulls cannot read :D

Ya but they can smell the fear running down trespassers legs though mattylad:D:rolleyes:

Royboy39 16-04-2009 16:17

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Lesson for today............If you see something in a field about 1 ton in weight with a ring in its nose.............DONT STROKE IT.

jaysay 16-04-2009 16:38

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 704960)
Lesson for today............If you see something in a field about 1 ton in weight with a ring in its nose.............DONT STROKE IT.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

mattylad 16-04-2009 17:30

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Me & MrsMatty were wandering through a field coming from Loveclough over to Rising Bridge on the Rossy way & we got followed by some bulls, should have seen MrsMatty run - lol

Eric 16-04-2009 18:51

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 704960)
Lesson for today............If you see something in a field about 1 ton in weight with a ring in its nose.............DONT STROKE IT.

Agree with you ... this is right up there with "don't play with the cute little bear cub.":eek:

West Ender 16-04-2009 19:03

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 705013)
..... we got followed by some bulls,

Bullocks! :)

Royboy39 16-04-2009 19:36

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 705038)
Bullocks! :)

No Bollocks........:eek:

Eric 16-04-2009 19:58

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 705058)
No Bollocks........:eek:

I'll steer well away from this one:rolleyes:

Royboy39 16-04-2009 20:40

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 705066)
I'll steer well away from this one:rolleyes:

Pourquoi? :)

churchman phil 17-04-2009 12:08

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 705013)
Me & MrsMatty were wandering through a field coming from Loveclough over to Rising Bridge on the Rossy way & we got followed by some bulls, should have seen MrsMatty run - lol

Seriously the worst thing to do!!!! You read all the time about people being trampled and it is generally because they start running. Bullocks are very curious and will follow you.
You walk, they walk behind.
You walk quickly, they walk quickly too.
You run, they start to run.
You trip up on the uneven ground of the field, they don't.
Just how quickly do you think it takes a ton of beef to stop when it's running???
If in any doubt STOP walking, turn around to face them and clap your hands loudly at a steady rate.

katex 17-04-2009 14:01

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 705250)
If in any doubt STOP walking, turn around to face them and clap your hands loudly at a steady rate.

Why, do they stop to take a bow ... :D Then what ?
Tell you what though Phil, takes guts to try out this theory though ... :eek:

churchman phil 17-04-2009 14:44

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It isn't a theory Kate, I know. If you are walking and then stop the bullocks will too. They aren't vicious animals you know, they're just curious. If you are a little un-nerved by them, stop and face them and clap your hands, not in an applause style, just slow and deliberate. They will back off and you can continue on your way.
Whilst doing the Coast to Coast in '95 I entered a field by way of a stile in a tall hedge quite a way behind my companions. As I wandered downhill I could see my companions waving but couldn't quite make out what they were saying due to the wind. When I got closer I heard the word 'behind' and turned to come face to face with about two dozen bullocks who had apparently followed me down the field and I never heard a thing!!

jaysay 17-04-2009 16:09

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 705035)
Agree with you ... this is right up there with "don't play with the cute little bear cub.":eek:

Using the premise that cute little bear cuds have bloody great big mummies very near by:D

Eric 17-04-2009 18:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 705304)
Using the premise that cute little bear cuds have bloody great big mummies very near by:D

Right first time .... we'll make a woodsman out of you yet:theband:

jaysay 18-04-2009 09:10

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 705365)
Right first time .... we'll make a woodsman out of you yet:theband:

I'm a fast learner Eric, especially where animals are concerned:D

West Ender 18-04-2009 21:37

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When we lived in Pickering, North Yorkshire, the lady next door's dad had been killed by a bull. He was leading it through the farmyard and it turned on him and gored him to death.

Benipete 19-04-2009 09:17

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 705815)
When we lived in Pickering, North Yorkshire, the lady next door's dad had been killed by a bull. He was leading it through the farmyard and it turned on him and gored him to death.

Where's Old Tige when you need him?:D:D

katex 19-04-2009 11:26

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 705863)
Where's Old Tige when you need him?:D:D

LOL .. had to google that one. Someone told me (after she had been cornered by cattle) that she should have let her dog go, as they would follow him. Dunno' she had the sandwiches. :eek:

churchman phil 19-04-2009 11:32

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ALWAYS let any dog go. It is a major factor with cattle - they don't like 'em!!!

Royboy39 19-04-2009 14:54

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 705911)
ALWAYS let any dog go. It is a major factor with cattle - they don't like 'em!!!

No farmer would thank you for taking an untrained dog anywhere near livestock.

churchman phil 19-04-2009 18:32

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That was in reply to Katex's post and is simply not a case of that Roy. Dogs attract large livestock like cows and horses by virtue of being a curiosity or a threat.
You should ALWAYS have a dog under close control whilst entering any farmland - even if you cannot immediately see livestock it may be hidden by trees, hedgelines or the lie of the ground. However, if any livestock becomes interested in you because of the dog and you are feeling threatened to the point things are getting uncontrollable then you let the dog go. The livestock will try and get the dog away.
People mainly get trampled and killed because they run and fall whilst keeping hold of the dog leash. The livestock will chase you if you run because you have the dog. Letting it go could save your life. It is what any 'expert' would tell you to do too - LET THE DOG GO. It will be ok.
I seriously don't think a farmer would challenge you for saving your life. One everyday pet dog would not be a match for a herd of bullocks or horses.

It is a similar principle as to when people drown trying to save their beloved pet. In nearly every case the dog gets out ok.

Unless, of course, some idiot goes out with a plan to get his large vicious dog to attack livestock which is not what we are talking about.

Royboy39 19-04-2009 19:03

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 705989)
That was in reply to Katex's post and is simply not a case of that Roy. Dogs attract large livestock like cows and horses by virtue of being a curiosity or a threat.
You should ALWAYS have a dog under close control whilst entering any farmland - even if you cannot immediately see livestock it may be hidden by trees, hedgelines or the lie of the ground. However, if any livestock becomes interested in you because of the dog and you are feeling threatened to the point things are getting uncontrollable then you let the dog go. The livestock will try and get the dog away.
People mainly get trampled and killed because they run and fall whilst keeping hold of the dog leash. The livestock will chase you if you run because you have the dog. Letting it go could save your life. It is what any 'expert' would tell you to do too - LET THE DOG GO. It will be ok.
I seriously don't think a farmer would challenge you for saving your life. One everyday pet dog would not be a match for a herd of bullocks or horses.

It is a similar principle as to when people drown trying to save their beloved pet. In nearly every case the dog gets out ok.

Unless, of course, some idiot goes out with a plan to get his large vicious dog to attack livestock which is not what we are talking about.

Pet dog or otherwise..........It is not a good idea to go onto farmland with a strange dog.
I agree with let the dog go and I acept your logic on that one.
Having been brought up on a farm not four hundred yards from where you live and being associated with large animals as a butcher, I kniow how danger can come your way with or without dog.
Yes we did have a spate of idiots bringing big dogs onto the farm, not only a danger to owners but to all livestock.
The point I was trying to make in this thread, either ask the farmer permission to go on his land or dont take a dog at all.
Remember a loose dog deemed a danger to livestock can be shot.

churchman phil 20-04-2009 07:43

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You cannot stop the public walking their dogs on a RoW. If that RoW goes over farmland they are entitled to be there.
A lot of people who have dogs and take them 'walkies' would probably not be aware of rules re dogs in the country. Like I said earlier "those who get trampled are usually dog walkers who run".

I'm not a dog lover personally and think ALL dogs should be kept on a lead under close control AT ALL TIMES - ANYWHERE OUTSIDE. But as a lot of dog-owners are a law unto themselves....

katex 21-04-2009 20:58

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Spoke to my friend again today CP and passed on your good advice to let the dog go.
Whilst being cornered in this field, she did ring her husband screaming on her mobile, and you have a choice of his reaction:-

1) "I will jump in the car my darling and on will be on my way to come and rescue you immediately".
2) "Will ring the farmer urgently to come and help you"
3) "What the bloodyhell am I supposed to do about it ?"


Yep, you got it ... LOL.

churchman phil 22-04-2009 07:49

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Oooooh! I like multiple choice questions!! Can I have answer 3 please....?

Seriously, if it helps her not to feel as threatened and thus stops her from running like hell when being followed by bullocks/cows etc then I'm happy to have helped.

Another point to tell her about maybe. If she enters a field with cows and calves in please tell her to stick as close to the edge of the field as possible and DO NOT walk between a cow and it's calf, clapping her hands will get either to move out of the way so she can continue. ALWAYS keeping the dog under close control.

shillelagh 24-04-2009 16:58

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Well this bull went shopping and didnt like it either ...

BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Runaway bull's supermarket sweep

Royboy39 24-04-2009 19:17

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Clap hands, Daddy will come to fetch our Linda a cake and a bun. :rolleyes:
Exit left and run like hell. That was only a baby, wait till you are confronted with daddy. :eek:

jaysay 25-04-2009 10:22

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 707610)
Well this bull went shopping and didnt like it either ...

BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Runaway bull's supermarket sweep

Saw that on the news this morning Jen hilarious:D don't think that Farmer has run as fast in his life:D

Caz 25-04-2009 11:30

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Just seen it on TV. The staff member trying to block it with a shopping trolley made me giggle! :D

shillelagh 25-04-2009 11:53

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Didnt like the specials basket at the front either ... that went skidding when he left the shop as well!!!:D:D:D

harwood red 25-04-2009 11:55

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omg just watched that clip and first I was laughing at the fella trying to put the trolley in its way in the store room...hmm yeah a bull will really be concerned by a trolley

then by the time the farmer started trotting up the aisle then turned and sprinted the other way followed closely by the bull all I could think was he must have really peed off that bull... I was laughing so much I was glad I had just been to the loo :p:p:p:D:D:D

katex 25-04-2009 11:59

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Didn't even stop to collect any Reward Points either ... :D

Don't suppose any necessity in their training manual for this type of incident.

jaysay 25-04-2009 12:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 707983)
Didn't even stop to collect any Reward Points either ... :D

Don't suppose any necessity in their training manual for this type of incident.

I wouldn't care but the poor little sod had only gone into the store to check out the breakfast cereals, he was after some Moooooesli :D:D

shillelagh 25-04-2009 12:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 708008)
I wouldn't care but the poor little sod had only gone into the store to check out the breakfast cereals, he was after some Moooooesli :D:D


You sure it wasnt cheese he was after .....:D:D:D

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Eric 25-04-2009 19:01

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 705934)
No farmer would thank you for taking an untrained dog anywhere near livestock.

Ain't this the truth. When I was involved in a ranch in Saskatchwan, strange dogs on the range were shot ... However, a trained dog, (like Boh, a Blue Heeler, and a good friend,) can be a big help. And my Quarter Horse, Quenna, could handle cattle as well as any human stockman.

Bottom line is: you can't trust a bull (altho', a range cow with a calf standing, is probably more volatile).


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