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jaysay 18-01-2010 10:31

Do you use Butter
 
On BBC Breakfast this morning a leading Heart surgeon said that Butter should be banned because it contain about 60% saturated fats. Is he right to ask for the ban and do you use it. Myself I cant remember the last time I had butter, it must be 20 years so it wouldn't bother me if it was banned or not;)

cashman 18-01-2010 10:34

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don't use owt else only butter, margarine n the other fancy stuff is crap, will not affect me heart cos aint got one.

Mick 18-01-2010 10:35

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i only use unsalted butter when baking cakes for accylass and the rest of the research team:D

jaysay 18-01-2010 10:37

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 779374)
don't use owt else only butter, margarine n the other fancy stuff is crap, will not affect me heart cos aint got one.

Well we know that cashy, but your a very special case:D

jaysay 18-01-2010 10:38

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 779375)
i only use unsalted butter when baking cakes for accylass and the rest of the research team:D

If my health was a bit better I wouldn't mind a seat on that research team, they get fed as well:D

entwisi 18-01-2010 10:38

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better to use a smattering of butter than some man made artificial tasteless crap IMHO.

humans have been digesting natural fats for thousands of years, trans fats etc were designed and heart disiese goes up, so much so that most manufacturers now are trying to remove them from their products.

I'll stick to good old cow juice fat thanks!

grannyclaret 18-01-2010 11:11

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i am fed up with being told ,this is bad and that is bad,what should be banned is all these know it alls..
.I LOVE MY LURPAK,,,,

Gayle 18-01-2010 11:40

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I use Anchor spreadable, so I presume that it's a slightly better option - could be crap for all I care, I just use it because I like the taste. :D

MargaretR 18-01-2010 11:55

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Those nasty trans fats are the ones described as 'hydrogenated' or 'partly hydrogenated' on the label.
Doing that increases their shelf life (and manufacturers profits), but they are harder to digest.
I agree entirely with Entwisi - natural fats are best.
I only use butter and olive oil in preparing food.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...health-faculty
"Trans fats are much less well-known than saturated fats but are much more damaging. They are very bad for the heart, play a key role in the UK's very high levels of heart disease and contribute to a large number of the excess coronary deaths we have in this country,"

garinda 18-01-2010 12:13

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I keep some buter, for glazing vegetables etc.

Cabbage with margarine is disgusting, with a little butter and black pepper, divine.

Like most things, in moderation, if you enjoy them, they are good for you.

Also, it's not all bad.

'It is worth knowing also that while it is a saturated fat, not everything about it is bad. Butter contains natural antibacterial and antiviral properties, important for fighting those autumn colds and coughs.'
Cooking with butter: spread the news - Telegraph

Taggy 18-01-2010 15:26

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I still use butter but not as often as i used to. I never found the taste of any of the other spreads or margarines to be very good, however ive now started using the "I cant believe its not butter Light version" which actually does have a buttery taste, so mainly that now, but not all supermarkets stock it, and i have butter for a treat now and then!


Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 18-01-2010 15:29

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 779436)
I still use butter but not as often as i used to. I never found the taste of any of the other spreads or margarines to be very good, however Ive now started using the "I cant believe its not butter Light version" which actually does have a buttery taste, so mainly that now, but not all supermarkets stock it, and i have butter for a treat now and then!


Best Regards - Taggy

I have been using CBINB for years Taggy and now use the Light version, its very good and does for me

Less 18-01-2010 15:33

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If I could afford it I would use butter all the time, after all it has it's advantages when used in the correct proportions of a healthy diet.

Unfortunately most of my diet isn't healthy because bulk buying cheap sausages, mince and micro-wave meals stave off the hunger a lot better than buying little of the more expensive cut's that are claimed to be better for us.

Taggy 18-01-2010 15:40

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 779437)
I have been using CBINB for years Taggy and now use the Light version, its very good and does for me

Yeah, a friend told me about this and i was very surprised when i tried it as to just how good it actually tastes Jaysay, its equally good on hot toast too, and doesn't "emulisfy" like some low fat spreads do....i like it!


Best Regards - Taggy

shillelagh 18-01-2010 16:03

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depends on if i get from the supermarket ... its butter but if i run out its the local shop its flora because thats all they sell ..:D:D:D

MargaretR 18-01-2010 16:12

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I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

ingredient list shows-
Vegetable Oil Blend (liquid soybean oil, liquid canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, liquid canola oil)

...those (hydrogenated, partially hydrogenated) are nasty trans fats:eek:

garinda 18-01-2010 16:20

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We made butter at nursery school, with full fat milk, straight from the cow's udder.

I can't believe it took so much churning.

Taggy 18-01-2010 16:28

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It Always makes me laugh when people "Cherry Pick" information from the internet to justify their opinions! Thus relying on "Experts" who have provided this in the first place....then decrying other "Experts" who have opposing views!!...So the Expert who gives opnions on trans fats etc are more knowledgeable than those who give opinions on Butter are they??? Lol!!!....and Wikipedia of course only reports facts, and is the font of all knowledge....Not!!! :rolleyes:

End of day opinions are opinions, i cant see why anything cant be eaten, in moderation, i just eat what i like the taste of, no matter what others say!


Best Regards - Taggy

MargaretR 18-01-2010 16:34

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 779459)
It Always makes me laugh when people "Cherry Pick" information from the internet to justify their opinions! Thus relying on "Experts" who have provided this in the first place....then decrying other "Experts" who have opposing views!!...So the Expert who gives opnions on trans fats etc are more knowledgeable than those who give opinions on Butter are they??? Lol!!!....and Wikipedia of course only reports facts, and is the font of all knowledge....Not!!! :rolleyes:

End of day opinions are opinions, i cant see why anything cant be eaten, in moderation, i just eat what i like the taste of, no matter what others say!


Best Regards - Taggy

I do not rely on Wiki for the sole source of info.
The fact that trans fats are now illegal in some countries should be enough of a warning light for you to do your own googling.
Here is another link in case you do not wish to use your time googling
Trans Fats - What You Need to Know About Trans Fats or Hydrogenated Fats

Less 18-01-2010 16:41

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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 779459)
It Always makes me laugh when people "Cherry Pick" information from the internet to justify their opinions! Thus relying on "Experts" who have provided this in the first place....then decrying other "Experts" who have opposing views!!...So the Expert who gives opnions on trans fats etc are more knowledgeable than those who give opinions on Butter are they??? Lol!!!....and Wikipedia of course only reports facts, and is the font of all knowledge....Not!!! :rolleyes:

End of day opinions are opinions, i cant see why anything cant be eaten, in moderation, i just eat what i like the taste of, no matter what others say!


Best Regards - Taggy

Don't go telling her the truth Taggy, or you'll end up on her ignore list just like I occasionally am, (she can't resist having a quick peek which does make posting on here a touch confusing), keep your replies to her a simple, "of course you are correct, how silly of me to disagree with one so wise!".
Then carry on eating or ignoring to eat whatever you wish.
:D

Taggy 18-01-2010 17:19

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 779461)
I do not rely on Wiki for the sole source of info.
The fact that trans fats are now illegal in some countries should be enough of a warning light for you to do your own googling.
Here is another link in case you do not wish to use your time googling
Trans Fats - What You Need to Know About Trans Fats or Hydrogenated Fats

Not studied trans fats etc, and dont intend to start now. I mainly go off calories when i want to assess which products i'm going to eat and how much of. I try to eat as well balanced a diet as possible, i also go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week....not because i love the gym, but because in doing so it allows me to eat what i like...within reason...as long as i'm burning off as many calories as i'm consuming, then i dont put on weight, and i feel healthier!

I like treats now and then, and dont baulk at scoffing a large Choc Nut Sundae if i'm out, and am quite happy to pig out on Pizzas, Burgers, Fish n Chips, Sausages, Curries etc etc...i try to eat the best quality that i can find because i'm solely governed by the taste...if its good and i like it...i'll eat it!

Butter or Marg is not integral to my eating habits and is not very important to me, in the vast cheme of things, however to my taste, in ICBINB Light, ive found a product that i like the taste of, and its less than half the calories of butter, so i find it a very good alternative for me!

I'm making the same judgement calls on the "Health Police" as i am on the "Global Warming Gestapo"....quite frankly i think most of it is total crap, i will be the judge of what i put in my body, based on how i live my life and how it makes me feel. Far to many "Experts" and pen pushers on commitees have there own hidden agenda's for making various statements, none of which are truely aimed benefitting us as individuals, or indeed society in general!

Best Regards - Taggy

accyman 18-01-2010 17:21

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Do you use Butter
only on the bedroom door handle :)

stops teh kids getting in and teh women escaping :D

jaysay 19-01-2010 09:38

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 779487)
only on the bedroom door handle :)

stops teh kids getting in and teh women escaping :D

Ya but how do you escape accyman:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 19-01-2010 18:40

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This heart surgeon is saying that he is getting more 30+ year olds who need by-pass surgery........I bet most of these people whom he treats, did not eat butter, but the margarine and butter substitutes that scientists and 'experts' told us would be better for our health.........I also wonder who sponsored his research....would it by any chance be the makers of a margarine/butter substitute?

I am not in favour of banning any type of food. I beleive that the majority of us can make our own decisions on what is, and is not good for us.

Margaret Pilkington 19-01-2010 18:46

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 779440)
If I could afford it I would use butter all the time, after all it has it's advantages when used in the correct proportions of a healthy diet.

Unfortunately most of my diet isn't healthy because bulk buying cheap sausages, mince and micro-wave meals stave off the hunger a lot better than buying little of the more expensive cut's that are claimed to be better for us.

Less, you do not have to pay the earth for fresh foods......but you do have to spend time in cooking them.
My guess (and it may be wrong, but I am sure you will tell me if I am) is that you opt for these cheap sausages, mince, and microwave meals because you do not like to spend time in the preparation of meals(or perhaps you are lacking in cooking skills)....so you go for the quick option.

It is possible to cook nutritious and healthier food by planning, shopping wisely, and of course, spending a bit of time in the kitchen.

DaveinGermany 19-01-2010 19:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 779868)
Less, you do not have to pay the earth for fresh foods......but you do have to spend time in cooking them.
My guess (and it may be wrong, but I am sure you will tell me if I am) is that you opt for these cheap sausages, mince, and microwave meals because you do not like to spend time in the preparation of meals(or perhaps you are lacking in cooking skills)....so you go for the quick option.

It is possible to cook nutritious and healthier food by planning, shopping wisely, and of course, spending a bit of time in the kitchen.

Margaret I think you're probably wasting your breath :) It's a bloke thing, and the less time spent in the kitchen means more time in front of the telly with a Beer, or there's always the outdoor option of being down the Pub watching the telly with a Beer. :D:D

Margaret Pilkington 19-01-2010 19:41

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Yes, I fully appreciate that Dave........but I was just pointing out the Less' argument about why he eats rubbish food isn't entirely down to cost :D

Mick 20-01-2010 06:25

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 779900)
Yes, I fully appreciate that Dave........but I was just pointing out the Less' argument about why he eats rubbish food isn't entirely down to cost :D

No its because he does his shopping AFTER going to meet us in the railway :D

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2010 08:06

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good point Mick.:)

garinda 20-01-2010 08:14

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When moving house, if you rub butter on the feet of small children, it helps them settle in more quickly, and they are unlikely to return to their old abode.

This doesn't work with margarine.

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2010 08:17

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It makes a hell of a mess on the carpets though:)

Taggy 20-01-2010 09:31

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 780108)
No its because he does his shopping AFTER going to meet us in the railway :D

LOL!!! Nice one!!

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 20-01-2010 09:53

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 779867)
This heart surgeon is saying that he is getting more 30+ year olds who need by-pass surgery........I bet most of these people whom he treats, did not eat butter, but the margarine and butter substitutes that scientists and 'experts' told us would be better for our health.........I also wonder who sponsored his research....would it by any chance be the makers of a margarine/butter substitute?

I am not in favour of banning any type of food. I believe that the majority of us can make our own decisions on what is, and is not good for us.

The presenters asked him that Margaret, and he said no

jaysay 20-01-2010 09:55

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 779868)
Less, you do not have to pay the earth for fresh foods......but you do have to spend time in cooking them.
My guess (and it may be wrong, but I am sure you will tell me if I am) is that you opt for these cheap sausages, mince, and microwave meals because you do not like to spend time in the preparation of meals(or perhaps you are lacking in cooking skills)....so you go for the quick option.

It is possible to cook nutritious and healthier food by planning, shopping wisely, and of course, spending a bit of time in the kitchen.

Oh come on Margret spending time in the kitchen would interfere with the research program in the Railway:D

BlackburnLass 20-01-2010 10:03

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My granny told me that if food doesn't come from an animal or a field it's "not good for you". She may be right, she may be wrong but she didn't pop her clogs till she was 95 and she was a farmers daughter.
I love butter (not its price) and the good news is that you can spread it really thinly and still get a mouthful of flavour.
It's what crumpets were made for and a little of what you fancy does you good.
:)

Less 20-01-2010 10:14

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 780108)
No its because he does his shopping AFTER going to meet us in the railway :D

Yes Mick you're absolutely right, but I do my shopping after and not before because if I did it before the research all my frozen micro-wave meals would have thawed out.

Re-freezing is a no, no, because food poisoning really can interrupt the delicate balance of a well constructed experiment based on the delights of alcohol.
:pain30::s_sick:

andrewb 20-01-2010 10:18

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I was always under the impression that saturated fats were absolutely fine, as they were natural ones. They just have to be combined with a healthy routine. Shame I can't manage to do the latter. Taggy how do you get the motivation to go to the gym? Ughh.. :)

I eat Lurpack by the way. I love a bit of salt!

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2010 10:33

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 780201)
Yes Mick you're absolutely right, but I do my shopping after and not before because if I did it before the research all my frozen micro-wave meals would have thawed out.

Re-freezing is a no, no, because food poisoning really can interrupt the delicate balance of a well constructed experiment based on the delights of alcohol.
:pain30::s_sick:

I can understand the reasoning behind the shopping after a trip to the Railway.......after all, you need to know how much money is left after the research.......makes sense to budget appropriately.

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2010 10:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 780192)
The presenters asked him that Margaret, and he said no

Hmmm, I'm not sure that I believe him.
Indian cooking is done with a lot of Ghee, which is of course, clarified butter.
The authorities in India tried to get people over there to accept what they considered to be a healthier option.......western type margarine.....levels of heart disease went up.

Also Clarissa Dixon Wright(she of Two fat Ladies fame) is related to someone who owned Van Deb Berghs(the makers of Stork Margarine....amongst others) he made her promise that she would never eat margarine....be cause he knew what went into it!!!

I think much of our food is chemicalised, and we do not know how these chemicals affect individuals.
Any number of things could be responsible for the increase in heart disease.
A sedentary life style has to be high on the risk list.

Having said that, it is up to the individual to assess their own risk......I do not believe that governments should be involved in determining what the population eats. That is fascism.

Taggy 20-01-2010 16:19

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 780203)
I was always under the impression that saturated fats were absolutely fine, as they were natural ones. They just have to be combined with a healthy routine. Shame I can't manage to do the latter. Taggy how do you get the motivation to go to the gym? Ughh.. :)

I eat Lurpack by the way. I love a bit of salt!

It can be a bit of a bind at times i'll admit Andrew, i usually go at 7.15 am to get it out of the way, but i like my food and am partial to a couple of bottles of Red Wine at weekend, so knowing i can enjoy these on a regular basis usually motivates me enough!

Best Regards - Taggy

yerself 20-01-2010 16:34

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
Also Clarissa Dixon Wright(she of Two fat Ladies fame)

Didn't Clarissa undertake a £1,000,000 study into the effects of alcohol? Perhaps our dedicated team could save money and time and compare notes with her.

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2010 18:34

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I am fairly sure the research team wouldn't drink to that!

I think they want to make sure that the findings of Clarissa can be replicated in the Northern male.

Eric 20-01-2010 20:13

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Anyone watched "Last Tango in Paris" recently?

yerself 20-01-2010 21:04

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Originally Posted by Eric
Anyone watched "Last Tango in Paris" recently?

Clarissa wasn't in it, was she?

grannyclaret 20-01-2010 21:26

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 780443)
Clarissa wasn't in it, was she?

no she rode the motor bike in Laurence of Arabia,,

accyman 20-01-2010 22:33

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i cant help laugh my arse off at the audacity this clown has to blame butter for teh rise in heart problems in 30 year olds, it couldnt possibly be the kebabs,pizas, mcdonalds,kfc and all teh cheap crap sold at such places like iceland that parents have shoved down the throats of their kids for the past 20 years and the introduction of alco-pos could it ?

all above incidently dont come with butter with the possible exception of kfc corn on the cob

andrewb 20-01-2010 23:27

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 780476)

all above incidently dont come with butter with the possible exception of kfc corn on the cob

Incidentally the only thing I like from Kfc!

Taggy I'm jealous. Last year I lived practically next to a gym, and had membership, but could not motivate myself to go on any kind of regular basis!

garinda 21-01-2010 00:40

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 780429)
Anyone watched "Last Tango in Paris" recently?

Lol, I was thinking along similar lines.

Poor Maria Schneider.

She was leaving little pats of butter on cushions for weeks.

jaysay 21-01-2010 10:14

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 780491)
Incidentally the only thing I like from Kfc!

Taggy I'm jealous. Last year I lived practically next to a gym, and had membership, but could not motivate myself to go on any kind of regular basis!

I used to have will power just like that Andrew, when it came to exercising:D

Ken Moss 02-02-2010 15:32

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Whoever persuaded the entire country that they Can't Believe It's Not Butter is a genius because it's nothing like it. How about lovely salted butter on hot toast, fresh crusty bread or even digestives with cheddar cheese.

My great aunt smoked 40 Woodbines a day for 67 years, ate dripping butties regularly and baked more cakes than Mr Kipling but it was probably the buttered bread that finally killed her....

This country has gone absolutely bonkers but obesity is the one thing we can't blame the government for. A bit of moderation for people who live in fast food outlets wouldn't go amiss.


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