Permanent gypsy sites
 

Does anyone know where I can find a list of permanent sites for gypsy/traveller caravans in the Blackburn/Hyndburn/Rossendale areas.
Thank you
JB

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don't know if this is of any use......haven't really read it thoroughly.

Plans to create dozens of new travellers' sites in East Lancs (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I just googled the question and there were many answers...perhaps if the link above proves to be of little help then you could try the google search for further answers.

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I know there's been one in Ossy since before I was born, I think there is three in Ossy at the moment

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I have yet to understand the concept of permanent sites for travellers.

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I think a permanent site for travellers relates to the fact that the site is permanent, but the residents may not be.
This means that travellers should be able to locate and park on a site that has permanent facilities, water,electricty, showers...but that they are required to pay for such site services.
I am sure if I have got it all wrong someone will correct me.

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Ya Dave it is something of an oxymoron :D

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The one in Ossy "The Green" was residential Margaret, whether it still is or not I don't know

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That may well be the case, but I think that the concept was for Travellers to have sites with permanent facilities........that they could use legally and with the blessing of local authorities.
Maybe this site was so good that the travellers who moved there no longer wanted to be nomadic.

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Well the West's have lived on that site for as long as I can remember, think they must be into the 3rd generation on there now Margaret, if not more, they are also quite successful businessman who pay their taxes and council tax like everybody else

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Must be a good site if three generations have been brought up there.

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it is a good site wi good people on it IMHO, in the 60s the wests n harrison, ladies all used to sup in the royal across the road, twas my local at the time Joe Gallagher was the landlord,had many a great night n good laugh wi those lassies, n manys the time they rang a taxi n shovelled a very drunken cashy in so i got home safe, n all those taxis ever cost me was n occasional "Englebert" record on the juke box.;)

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It is good to hear that you were looked after by those good people Cashy.
It is so easy to label a whole group of people with something that they do not deserve...we must remember that there are exceptions that test the rule(or generalisation).

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i do try too, but in the main those who travel about do not garner any respect whatsoever.;)

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Yes, you are right, but forgive me....if these people have been there for that length of time surely they aren't travellers anymore?

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Was 'Release Me' your signature tune :D

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Can anyone hitch up their caravan, and have a little holiday on a council run site?

I do hope so.

If the pitches were reserved only for certain people, they could be guilty of racial discrimination.

:rolleyes:

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Don't you start:D

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There is only one site locally and it's called ACCRINGTON

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Have they been moved on from Huncoat Junior Football Club grounds yet?
I note they were moved very quickly from land adjacent to Arden Hall and surrounding streets

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moved within a day from Huncoat, which yeh would know if yeh read the travellers thread, this ones about permanent sites.:rolleyes:

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Just to let you know they were not moved within a day they actually were on the playing fields for a week or so only to move yesterday apparently

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So are you saying post65 on the travellers thread is inaccurate?as it was posted by the Local M.P. aint saying you are wrong, but am saying "a week or so" n "apparently" is hardly accurate.

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what i am saying is i emailes several people including Clare Pritchard and Bernard Dawson and spoke to enviromental health and bernard dawson rang me back (and said he diodnt know they were in huncoat) re the travellers on Huncoat playing fields on monday 20th june after they camped there on the thursday/friday previous having been moved from arden hall they have only just moved this weekend saturday / sunday so where or MP gets the information that they were moved within a day and a pat on the back for the labour group astounds me

i never said they were moved from arden hall because he lives near there as certain accusations are being made however my whole argumant is (and i have emailed the labour group this) if we get a court order to move them from hyndburn then thats what should happen and not move the problem from one area to another and if our MP was so active in getting this done with others helping why didnt this happebn he is the MP for the whole of HYNDBURN i trust

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Maybe our MP should just go back to London and let the council sort it out?

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I don't know whether the travellers Nic were the ones who were also on Arden Hall,but I agree with you we don't want to shift them from one site in the Borough, only to find they've turned up somewhere else in Hyndburn. Its not an easy problem to solve, as you well know, but as a Council we need to be using the existing powers the Council already have, which are considerable, in addition to going for court orders to move the travellers on.

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You should perhaps tag your own diddicoys in future, so they don't get mixed up.

;):D

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Hear Hear

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Would that be electronic tagging by any chance ? You know, just curious. :D

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i take that is sarcasm Ken i am only saying what the public think if we move them off one part of hyndburn and get a court order that should be to remove them from hyndburn completely

if i have your response wrong them i apologise

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i aggree bernard but the court order to move them off surely should be to remove them from hyndburn or the court order process needs looking at as this can get expensive if we keep moving them around hyndburn surely the object of a court order is to remove them from Hybndburn

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Yes it was sarcasm, Nick. It amazes me that the same allegations of bias haven't been levelled at sorting out the Spring Street derelicts in Rishton which are about 20 yards from my front door.

Hyndburn has always made provision for travellers over and above what is required of us and neighbouring councils are trying to get us to provide even more. Faster action has been needed for some time but the main problem lies with the attitude of those who simply land on a site and proceed to leave it in a foul state. They do themselves no favours by acting this way but it has come to the point where serious bills are being incurred by the taxpayer due to wilful negligence and I agree that we should be coming down far more heavily on rogue travellers.

It is being discussed at present by members of the Cabinet.

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it dont take long surely to decide the best action to deal wi rouge travellers?:confused:

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Maybe not the decision Cashy but the actual enforcement has taken longer in the past than people are happy with and rightly so.

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perhaps why the enforcement takes a while would be a better discussion? n ways to remedy that?

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That's part of what Cabinet are discussing. Cllr Clare Pritchard is also currently doing a lot of investigative work into making enforcement in several areas of the council much more swift and effective.

It's what people want so it's what we're trying to do.

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The problem is obtaining a court order that covers all of Hyndburn. They tend to site specific. The Council does already have certain powers as Graham pointed out. We need to make more use use of them in the future, where appropriate.

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I think the problem is that the courts are unable to issue an injunction which covers land owned by two different parties and as has been said they seem to like being specific when issuing of these injunctions

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I thought the powers mentioned were the powers of the police, maybe we need them to use them more often like the ones I mentioned about driving vehicles off road.

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Quite right Neil police powers. But the Council do have a role in encouraging the police to use those powers.

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Its a shame you have to persuade them to act on the law at times, well done and keep up the good work.

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sorry ken just reading this again i have not levelled any critisism of anyone about moving travellers because they were in anyones back yard in fact in huncoat it could be said they were in my back yard please dont tar every one with the same brush if i have any commendt to make i will. My comment was to the report that they had gone within a day and they had not so please read the details before being paranoind

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Isn't it about time we acted with a little more authority than we do with these people, If I left the type of mess in my front garden I would expect a large fine, so here is my plan.
Travellers arrive on site, police attend because somebody reports a crime, the crime is trespass
Police remove vehicle keys,check fuel in all vehicles, check mot, licences, insurance etc.
Check chassis numbers on caravans.
Travellers now not capable of raiding your back yard, crime figures down. Ability to generate waste is removed by removing their ability to collect the rubbish
No vehicle movements mean no income, travellers will move on very quickly
Travellers will soon be chatting to all of their friends and Hyndburn would soon become a traveller free zone. Come on councillors have some balls get it sorted, the people of Hyndburn are sick to death of these people and only you lot can sort it out