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Karateman 30-12-2011 20:40
Old Accrington Paintings
 
Hi guys,
I am fascinated with what Accrington would have looked like before the advent of cameras...you know probably early 19th century era. Are there any old paintings of the town showing some indication how she may have looked in the early, mid or late 1800's perhaps, when it was a small hamlet maybe..Camera pics probably show not much earlier than 1900 ish.

Phil

Retlaw 30-12-2011 21:26
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1 ear, circa 1848.

Karateman 30-12-2011 21:48
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Perfect...just what I had in mind, Hope there are some more around.... Wonder where this view is from?

Phil

steve2qec 30-12-2011 21:55
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Originally Posted by Karateman (Post 959331)
Perfect...just what I had in mind, Hope there are some more around.... Wonder where this view is from?

Phil
I reckon it's viewed from where King George's playing fields are now.

Retlaw 30-12-2011 22:26
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Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 959334)
I reckon it's viewed from where King George's playing fields are now.
One day whilst training with the hydraulic platform,
John Kelly & myself located the spot as the junction of Hollins Lane & Royds St. So your not far off.
Retlaw.

Retlaw 30-12-2011 22:28
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Originally Posted by Karateman (Post 959331)
Perfect...just what I had in mind, Hope there are some more around.... Wonder where this view is from?

Phil
There are several paintings, and prints, some of them I've posted in other threads.
Retlaw.

Karateman 06-01-2012 20:53
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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 959319)
1 ear, circa 1848.
Hi thanks for the post of the painting.
I have since found another "version" of basically the same painting in a book called aspects of accrington.
It appears to be the same one but there are slight differences..eg.it is a much "clearer" view showing much better detail. Also this version shows seven sheep in the field, the book version shows six. Also in the book version there is a building situated on top of the hill on the very top right hand edge of the picture but not in this version. Could this be a copy of the book painting which I would assume is the original, I wonder?

Thanks for your efforts..

Phil

Karateman 06-01-2012 20:54
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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 959343)
There are several paintings, and prints, some of them I've posted in other threads.
Retlaw.
Could you point me to them please?

Phil

Bob Dobson 07-01-2012 06:58
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This 1848 sketchfirst appeared in the Illustrated London News. It is one of several there have been in that magazine. There are copies of the pics in the library, some on the walls. A chap in Lancaster runs a website ( google Illustrated London News) about the ILN and will sell you a good copy of the pic. quite cheaply. Come back to me if you fail to find him

Retlaw 07-01-2012 11:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karateman (Post 960744)
Hi thanks for the post of the painting.
I have since found another "version" of basically the same painting in a book called aspects of accrington.
It appears to be the same one but there are slight differences..eg.it is a much "clearer" view showing much better detail. Also this version shows seven sheep in the field, the book version shows six. Also in the book version there is a building situated on top of the hill on the very top right hand edge of the picture but not in this version. Could this be a copy of the book painting which I would assume is the original, I wonder?

Thanks for your efforts..

Phil
This picture has been reduced for it to fit in the space on Accy Web, thats why its blurred, as for the other pictures they are probably in the History threads somewhere.
The original is in Accy Library.
Retlaw
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...ings-1848a.jpg

garinda 07-01-2012 17:15
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Originally Posted by Karateman (Post 960747)
Could you point me to them please?

Phil

View of Broad Oak Printworks, near Accrington.

William Linton (1791 - 1876)

Broad Oak House, which appears on the far right in the middle distance in the painting, was built by John Hargreaves in 1802 and 1834, and reconstructed in 1834. The site of the Broad Oak Printworks with its wooded surroundings, as it appears in the painting, has been totally transformed into an urban area. The Printworks was perhaps the most celebrated of manufacturing companies of its kind which dated from the early years of the Industrial Revolution.

susie123 07-01-2012 18:05
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See post 8 in this old thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...o-it-3229.html
for a picture of the viaduct from the ILN.

Pudwoppa 08-01-2012 12:03
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As far as I've seen, pre and early 1800 images of the area are rare. The one Garinda posted is probably the best example that comes to mind. It's likely that that one was produced as a commission for the owners at Broad Oak. It's worth remembering that before the industrial revolution, there really wasn't very much in Accrington to paint or draw - so most bits are business related, self serving commissions, or sketches by local people.

I think there are a few sketches in old books (some of the Ainsworth books I think?) but I don't have those to hand, and I'm not sure if they can be posted for copyright reasons.

The attached are all mid 1800's (ish).

cashman 08-01-2012 12:46
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Great photos Pudwoppa, love the last one pre-market hall.;)

Retlaw 08-01-2012 13:21
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Originally Posted by Pudwoppa (Post 961057)
As far as I've seen, pre and early 1800 images of the area are rare. The one Garinda posted is probably the best example that comes to mind. It's likely that that one was produced as a commission for the owners at Broad Oak. It's worth remembering that before the industrial revolution, there really wasn't very much in Accrington to paint or draw - so most bits are business related, self serving commissions, or sketches by local people.

I think there are a few sketches in old books (some of the Ainsworth books I think?) but I don't have those to hand, and I'm not sure if they can be posted for copyright reasons.

The attached are all mid 1800's (ish).
Picture no 5 is one of the oldest occupied sites in Old Accrington, it was originally known as Court Farm, where the Halmote Courts were held back in the 1500's

Pudwoppa 08-01-2012 14:19
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It is a nice sketch - I tried researching the artist but had no joy (W Rawson). The original may include more of the surrounding buildings; this version is taken from an early twentieth century postcard and may be heavily cropped. If anyone knows anything about the original image I'd love to know.

Retlaw 08-01-2012 14:46
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Originally Posted by Pudwoppa (Post 961063)
It is a nice sketch - I tried researching the artist but had no joy (W Rawson). The original may include more of the surrounding buildings; this version is taken from an early twentieth century postcard and may be heavily cropped. If anyone knows anything about the original image I'd love to know.
Don't think its been cropped, in the left corner it has Old Accrington, and the right corner the artist signature, looks to me like W Rawlinson, but its a bit blurred, is the picture in the Accrington Jubille.
Retlaw.

Pudwoppa 08-01-2012 17:06
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Good spot Retaw - it is in the Jubliee book and it's much clearer in there. The crop is only very slight - text bottom left reads 'Hepworth', and text bottom right reads 'W Rawson 1890'. A caption also reads 'From an old print (lent by Hepworth and Webster)'.

The jubilee book also gives an accreditation for the image in post 2 as 'From an old print published by Enoch Bowker'.

There are quite a few old sketches in there. Does anyone know if I'm allowed to post scanned images from it on here?

Bob Dobson 08-01-2012 20:32
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I feel sure there's nobody able to claim copyright in these pics. However, it would be useful to write a few lines to accompany the pics about authorship/availability.

Retlaw 08-01-2012 20:50
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Originally Posted by Pudwoppa (Post 961108)
Good spot Retaw - it is in the Jubliee book and it's much clearer in there. The crop is only very slight - text bottom left reads 'Hepworth', and text bottom right reads 'W Rawson 1890'. A caption also reads 'From an old print (lent by Hepworth and Webster)'.

The jubilee book also gives an accreditation for the image in post 2 as 'From an old print published by Enoch Bowker'.

There are quite a few old sketches in there. Does anyone know if I'm allowed to post scanned images from it on here?
That book was printed by Broadleys in 1928, celebrating 50 years of Accrington Borough Council, doubt there's any copyright left on it by now.
One good thing that bloody britcliffes picture isn't in it.
Retlaw.

Karateman 09-02-2012 20:37
Re: Old Accrington Paintings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudwoppa (Post 961057)
As far as I've seen, pre and early 1800 images of the area are rare. The one Garinda posted is probably the best example that comes to mind. It's likely that that one was produced as a commission for the owners at Broad Oak. It's worth remembering that before the industrial revolution, there really wasn't very much in Accrington to paint or draw - so most bits are business related, self serving commissions, or sketches by local people.

I think there are a few sketches in old books (some of the Ainsworth books I think?) but I don't have those to hand, and I'm not sure if they can be posted for copyright reasons.

The attached are all mid 1800's (ish).
Brilliant thanks....Phil

Karateman 09-02-2012 20:42
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"One good thing that bloody britcliffes picture isn't in it.
Retlaw."

Sorry your wrong Ret...thats Peter at the back under the canvas canopy...LOL

Phil

garinda 02-03-2012 17:37
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There's a naive sketch of Broad Oak Printworks, drawn by an amateur artist in 1814, on page 24 of this link.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environ...ete_LowRes.pdf

mobertol 02-03-2012 18:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974411)
There's a naive sketch of Broad Oak Printworks, drawn by an amateur artist in 1814, on page 24 of this link.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environ...ete_LowRes.pdf
Is this the place that made John Taylor his fortune?

Tried to skim through and see if there was anything on Rockmount -surpised that it doesn't seem to get a mention.

Exchange St. does, where my Grandparents lived most of their married life -says it's a Bye-Law terrace built between 1911 -1931.

garinda 02-03-2012 19:30
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974431)
Is this the place that made John Taylor his fortune?

Tried to skim through and see if there was anything on Rockmount -surpised that it doesn't seem to get a mention.

Exchange St. does, where my Grandparents lived most of their married life -says it's a Bye-Law terrace built between 1911 -1931.
I think it was founded by Jonathan Peel, and was bought by the Fort, Taylor, & Bury.

When old man Taylor retired down to Moreton Hall, his share was bought by Thomas Hargreaves, who eventually took over Broad Oak himself.

mobertol 02-03-2012 19:59
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974452)
I think it was founded by Jonathan Peel, and was bought by the Fort, Taylor, & Bury.

When old man Taylor retired down to Moreton Hall, his share was bought by Thomas Hargreaves, who eventually took over Broad Oak himself.
Thanks:)


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