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mobertol 31-12-2011 21:18

Do you know who you might be?
 
:rolleyes:A recent post by Garinda fired my imagination. After much discussion about re-incarnation, in a thread about funerals he noted :

Quote :

January '65.

One in, me.

One out, him. (Winston Churchill)

Pity I don't believe in reincarnation.

It would explain why I'm always giving people a two fingered salute."

Made me think who it could be who popped off as I popped out -so to speak.

A bit of research on the internet came up with the following:

One in, me. Oct.10th 1963.

One out - well two actually - Edith Piaf and a few hours later - reportedly because of grief at her death, Jean Cocteau.

Edith - was Known as "The Little Sparrow" - my nickname at junior school was "Chaffinch" because of my surname. She was reportedly blind from the age of 3-7, I suffered severe damage to one eye as a result of measles at the age of 3. I had a natural inclination to learn and speak French at school and have always loved singing.;):rolleyes:

I don't believe in reincarnation either but it is quite an interesting game to look for your hypothetical fore-bearer!

Failing Edith, there was always:

Leopold Friedrich Franz Sieghard Hubertus Erdmann, Hereditary Prince of Anhalt

seems he died at the age of 25 on October 9th 1963. He was also Grand Master of the Order of Albert the Bear, which sounds like a lot of fun.:D

Could explain my delusions of grandeur:rolleyes::p

So the question is -who do you think you might have been?



davebtelford 01-01-2012 06:13

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Maybe I was Damon Runyon - but I haven't written any stories yet!

jaysay 01-01-2012 09:25

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Maybe I was Mrs Malaprop's husband:rolleyes::D

Margaret Pilkington 01-01-2012 09:42

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The only notable person who died on my birthday was a Japanese admiral.....so although I accept that energy cannot be destroyed, it is always recycled........I have to concede that if I was reincarnated, it must have been as a commoner yet again.

cashman 01-01-2012 11:33

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Never gave this matter any thought at all, but if it were to be the case, i was obviously a "Diplomat" in a previous life.:D

Margaret Pilkington 01-01-2012 12:02

Re: Do you know who you might be?
 
Isn't that the name of a Thornton's chocolate?

mobertol 01-01-2012 12:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959532)
Never gave this matter any thought at all, but if it were to be the case, i was obviously a "Diplomat" in a previous life.:D

Looks like you might be right Cashy and have some blue blood to boot, 'fraid he was a Conservative though!

Hope you don't mind me looking up your birthday on your profile;)

Edward George Villiers Stanley, 17th Earl of DerbyKG, GCB, GCVO, TD, PC, KGStJ, JP (died February 1948), known as Lord Stanley from 1893 to 1908, was a British soldier,Conservative politician, diplomat and racehorse owner. He was twice Secretary of State for War and also served as British Ambassador to France. :D

He was a Lancashire peer - home Knowsley Hall.

His biggest achievement though was his breeding of the horse Phalaris. Phalaris was a champion sprinter and a stallion par excellence responsible for establishing the most dominant sire line in Europe and later, the United States through his four sons - Sickle, Pharamond, Pharos and Fairway. Do you like a bet on the horses by any chance;)

steve2qec 01-01-2012 12:09

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Just a thought....would it not have to be someone who died at the time you were conceived rather than when you were born?

mobertol 01-01-2012 12:11

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Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 959536)
Just a thought....would it not have to be someone who died at the time you were conceived rather than when you were born?

Don't really know how the re-incarnation thing works Steve -but i imagine the poor "lost" souls are hanging around waiting for a suitable body to take over!;):D

I was also following Gary's lead from his original idea (which i basically nicked to create this thread!:o:D)

Margaret Pilkington 01-01-2012 12:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 959536)
Just a thought....would it not have to be someone who died at the time you were conceived rather than when you were born?

No.......it is the time you enter the world....and being conceived, you are not in the world, but in the womb.
It is all a bit strange really, it does seem that one in one out holds in our family........when I had my daughter my husband lost his Aunt Nancy....well no he didn't lose her, she died....and I can think of many other hatchings coming close on the heels of dispatchings.

MargaretR 01-01-2012 12:29

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Having read quite a bit about the topic, I report that there is nothing to indicate that reincarnation happens soon after a death. On the contrary, some souls 'rest up' for centuries.

There is some evidence, from past life regression research, that there are 'soul groups' which reincarnate in order to 'meet again' in physical reality.

I recall there was an Xfiles episode which illustrated this theory.

Michael1954 01-01-2012 12:41

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Well if it was on X Files it must be true! :-)

cashman 01-01-2012 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959534)
Looks like you might be right Cashy and have some blue blood to boot, 'fraid he was a Conservative though!

Hope you don't mind me looking up your birthday on your profile;)

Edward George Villiers Stanley, 17th Earl of DerbyKG, GCB, GCVO, TD, PC, KGStJ, JP (died February 1948), known as Lord Stanley from 1893 to 1908, was a British soldier,Conservative politician, diplomat and racehorse owner. He was twice Secretary of State for War and also served as British Ambassador to France. :D

He was a Lancashire peer - home Knowsley Hall.

His biggest achievement though was his breeding of the horse Phalaris. Phalaris was a champion sprinter and a stallion par excellence responsible for establishing the most dominant sire line in Europe and later, the United States through his four sons - Sickle, Pharamond, Pharos and Fairway. Do you like a bet on the horses by any chance;)

Oh the fact he was a Tory don't matter,i even regard Jaysay as a mate.:D

MargaretR 01-01-2012 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 959544)
Well if it was on X Files it must be true! :-)

Not all theories turn out to be true -
but some do - so all are worth a look.

mobertol 01-01-2012 13:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 959546)
Not all theories turn out to be true -
but some do - so all are worth a look.

What prompted me to start this thread was an amusing post which caught my eye, drawing on the similarity of one person with another who had gone before. It is meant to be a way of playing a game with history and maybe finding a bit more about real people who have lived before us.

Reincarnation is not an issue here:D

MargaretR 01-01-2012 13:15

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'Games' should be put in Anything Goes section.

mobertol 01-01-2012 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 959552)
'Games' should be put in Anything Goes section.

For "games" read "an excercise in imaginative thinking":D

susie123 01-01-2012 14:19

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Well I’m not into reincarnation and haven’t found anyone who snuffed it on my actual birthday but was prompted into finding out more about what happened on 28 November. Quite a lot actually.

Births – the good guys:
1628 – John Bunyan, English cleric and author (d. 1688)
1632 – Jean-Baptiste Lully, French composer (d. 1687)
1757 – William Blake, British poet (d. 1827)
1820 – Friedrich Engels, German philosopher (d. 1895)
1829 – Anton Rubinstein, Russian composer (d. 1894)
1853 – Helen Magill White, first American woman to earn a PhD (d. 1944)
1895 – Josι Iturbi, Spanish pianist (d. 1980)
1961 – Martin Clunes, British actor
1963 – Armando Iannucci, Scottish comedian

Not too sure about these two:
1887 – Ernst Rφhm, Nazi official (d. 1934)
1967 – Anna Nicole Smith, American television personality (d. 2007)

And a town! – bet not many of you can say that!
28 de Noviembre, written out as Veintiocho de Noviembre, is a town in southwestern Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. It has roughly 5,300 inhabitants, mostly of Argentinian, and Italian origin, and is located 270 km (168 mi) west of Rνo Gallegos and 13 km (8 mi) south of Rνo Turbio. The town is near the border with Chile, not far from Puerto Natales. Its main economic activity is coal mining.
The town was officially founded on November 28, 1959, on the second anniversary of adoption of the provincial constitution, when a decree merged several settlements into one town which was named after the date of foundation.

Events:
1660 – At Gresham College, 12 men, including Christopher Wren, Robert Boyle, John Wilkins, and Sir Robert Moray decide to found what is later known as the Royal Society.
1893 – Women vote in a national election for the first time: the New Zealand general election.
1919 – Lady Astor is elected as a Member of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. She is the first woman to sit in the House of Commons. (Countess Markievicz, the first to be elected, refused to sit.)
1990 – John Major replaces Margaret Thatcher as PM
It’s also Albanian Independence Day

Deaths:
741 – St. Gregory III
1290 – Eleanor of Castile, wife of Edward I of England (b. 1241) – of Eleanor Cross fame
1872 – Mary Fairfax Somerville, British scientific writer (b. 1780)
1954 – Enrico Fermi, Italian physicist, Nobel laureate (b. 1901)
1968 – Enid Blyton, British children's author (b. 1897)
1972 – Havergal Brian, British composer (b. 1875)

The bad guys:
1994 – Jeffrey Dahmer, American serial killer (b. 1960)
1994 – Buster Edwards, English train robber (b. 1932)

flashy 01-01-2012 14:29

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no one famous died in February 76 so i guess i just have myself to blame for me being me :D

mobertol 01-01-2012 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 959565)
no one famous died in February 76 so i guess i just have myself to blame for me being me :D

We are who we are of course, but your parents have a lot to do with it -genes and up-bringing. Your own character and mind have some influence too and perhaps the soul that took up residence when you popped out;):D

mobertol 01-01-2012 14:48

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 959563)
Well I’m not into reincarnation and haven’t found anyone who snuffed it on my actual birthday but was prompted into finding out more about what happened on 28 November. Quite a lot actually.

Whew! Pretty busy day then through the ages.

Anyone you identify with particularly, Sue?

William Blake was a pretty interesting character, and i loved Enid Blyton's books as a child.

(Found the Magic Faraway Tree in the Botanical Gardens Bologna a short while back -was with my friend Charlotte ,we both looked at this tree turned to each other and said "OMG, it's the Magic Faraway Tree" and had hysterics:p See photos, the tree is at least 3 times the height shown -friend Charlotte is pictured.

We were both very disappointed that the slippery slide was closed up inside it;):rolleyes::D )

jaysay 01-01-2012 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959532)
Never gave this matter any thought at all, but if it were to be the case, i was obviously a "Diplomat" in a previous life.:D

Ya cashy you've always called a spade a shovel:D

jaysay 01-01-2012 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 959552)
'Games' should be put in Anything Goes section.

Go back to sleep Margaret:dummy2:

susie123 01-01-2012 15:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959570)
Whew! Pretty busy day then through the ages.

Anyone you identify with particularly, Sue?

William Blake was a pretty interesting character, and i loved Enid Blyton's books as a child.

You hit on my two favourites, I've always loved William Blake and like you was a Blytonophile when young. Though having seen a recent TV drama about her I'm not sure she was a very nice person.

There's a novel about Blake, Burning Bright by Tracy Chevalier, which I enjoyed - her other books are worth a read too.

Of the rest Mary Somerville sounds fascinating - Somerville Coll Oxford was named after her. And I've always loved the story of the Eleanor crosses - a real tribute from a loving husband.

And maybe one day I'll go to Argentina and visit my town.

Funnily enough in three places I have lived one of my neighbours has shared my birthday. Not here though!

steve2qec 01-01-2012 16:41

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Funnily enough in three places I have lived one of my neighbours has shared my birthday. Not here though![/quote]
Talking of coincidences - when we moved into our current house, the chaps at No's 2 (me) 4,6 & 8 were all called Steve!! (the Steve at No.6 is now an Andrew)

garinda 01-01-2012 19:05

Re: Do you know who you might be?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959494)
:rolleyes:A recent post by Garinda fired my imagination. After much discussion about re-incarnation, in a thread about funerals he noted :

Quote :

January '65.

One in, me.

One out, him. (Winston Churchill)

Pity I don't believe in reincarnation.

It would explain why I'm always giving people a two fingered salute."

Made me think who it could be who popped off as I popped out -so to speak.

A bit of research on the internet came up with the following:

One in, me. Oct.10th 1963.

One out - well two actually - Edith Piaf and a few hours later - reportedly because of grief at her death, Jean Cocteau.

Edith - was Known as "The Little Sparrow" - my nickname at junior school was "Chaffinch" because of my surname. She was reportedly blind from the age of 3-7, I suffered severe damage to one eye as a result of measles at the age of 3. I had a natural inclination to learn and speak French at school and have always loved singing.;):rolleyes:

I don't believe in reincarnation either but it is quite an interesting game to look for your hypothetical fore-bearer!

Failing Edith, there was always:

Leopold Friedrich Franz Sieghard Hubertus Erdmann, Hereditary Prince of Anhalt

seems he died at the age of 25 on October 9th 1963. He was also Grand Master of the Order of Albert the Bear, which sounds like a lot of fun.:D

Could explain my delusions of grandeur:rolleyes::p

So the question is -who do you think you might have been?


I love Piaf.

So yes, you can be her.

Always regret not buying a Cocteau drawing I found in France.

They were asking a hundred francs. A lot to me, at that time.

If the Little Sparrow had been with with me, you could have twittered in my ear, that it was a bargain, in reality, and I should definitely buy it.

Before trilling out Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien.

http://www.smileystar.com/emoticons/...birds/crow.gif

:D

susie123 01-01-2012 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 959594)
Of the rest Mary Somerville sounds fascinating - Somerville Coll Oxford was named after her. And I've always loved the story of the Eleanor crosses - a real tribute from a loving husband.

And maybe one day I'll go to Argentina and visit my town.

Forgot to add that Mary S also has a crater on the Moon named for her!

Eric 01-01-2012 21:20

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As I entered this world, General of Infantry Anton Dostler was executed by firing squad.:D Sorry about that, Anton old buddy, somebody had to give up his seat on the bus.;):D

cashman 01-01-2012 21:36

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Thinking about this, if it were to be the case, How come theres millions more people in the world these days?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Eric 01-01-2012 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 959594)
You hit on my two favourites, I've always loved William Blake and like you was a Blytonophile when young. Though having seen a recent TV drama about her I'm not sure she was a very nice person.

There's a novel about Blake, Burning Bright by Tracy Chevalier, which I enjoyed - her other books are worth a read too.

Of the rest Mary Somerville sounds fascinating - Somerville Coll Oxford was named after her. And I've always loved the story of the Eleanor crosses - a real tribute from a loving husband.

And maybe one day I'll go to Argentina and visit my town.

Funnily enough in three places I have lived one of my neighbours has shared my birthday. Not here though!

So, I'm not the only one who can see a world in a grain of sand;) I read that one to my critters too.:D

Eric 01-01-2012 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959670)
Thinking about this, if it were to be the case, How come theres millions more people in the world these days?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

They're aliens.:confused:

cashman 01-01-2012 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 959678)
They're aliens.:confused:

Go on then, give us a link?:D

garinda 01-01-2012 22:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 959565)
no one famous died in February 76 so i guess i just have myself to blame for me being me :D

22nd February, Florence Ballard, founding member of The Supremes died.

23rd February, he painted matchstick men, and matchstick cats 'n' dogs, L.S. Lowry passed away.

1976, the year crud music died, and as well as Flashy, punk was born.

Coincidence?

I think not.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/emot..._rocker-30.gif


:D

ossy kid 02-01-2012 05:08

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Lord Stanley also presented the Stanley Cup which is the F.A. cup to hockey here in Canada. I believe he was the Earl Of Preston and the British ambassador to Canada in 1893.

davebtelford 02-01-2012 05:43

Re: Do you know who you might be?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959670)
Thinking about this, if it were to be the case, How come theres millions more people in the world these days?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

It's true that more people are born each day than die so quite a few us must not be gifted with 'inherited' souls (if it's on a one to one basis). However more people have lived & died than are still alive so there should be billions of disembodied souls floating around that never found a new host.

Margaret Pilkington 02-01-2012 07:53

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or they came back as another being.........next doors dog:D

jaysay 02-01-2012 08:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 959611)
Funnily enough in three places I have lived one of my neighbours has shared my birthday. Not here though!

Talking of coincidences - when we moved into our current house, the chaps at No's 2 (me) 4,6 & 8 were all called Steve!! (the Steve at No.6 is now an Andrew)[/quote]
A mate I've had since starting Tech back in 62 has the same birthday as me only he's a year younger 19th July, He now lives in cornwall and I haven't seen him for about six years now

jaysay 02-01-2012 08:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 959703)
or they came back as another being.........next doors dog:D

Ya and no doubt its a real yapper too Margaret:D

mobertol 02-01-2012 09:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 959642)
I love Piaf.

So yes, you can be her.


http://www.smileystar.com/emoticons/...birds/crow.gif

:D

Bien, cherie!

Je vois la vie en rose.:D

mobertol 02-01-2012 09:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 959668)
As I entered this world, General of Infantry Anton Dostler was executed by firing squad.:D Sorry about that, Anton old buddy, somebody had to give up his seat on the bus.;):D

Better behave then Eric, to make sure it doesn't happen again in this life:D

jaysay 02-01-2012 09:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959722)
Bien, cherie!

Je vois la vie en rose.:D

Ehhhhh:confused:

garinda 02-01-2012 09:20

Re: Do you know who you might be?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 959729)
Ehhhhh:confused:

Don't draw attention to the fact she's singing in a foreign language, and breaking the forum rules.

:D

jaysay 02-01-2012 09:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 959734)
Don't draw attention to the fact she's singing in a foreign language, and breaking the forum rules.

:D

Sorry;):D

jaysay 02-01-2012 09:59

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Just been doing a bit of fishing
on the 19th July my Birthday

1973 Clarence White died aged 29 musician with the Byrds killed in a car smash with a drunken driver

1892 Thomas Cook CEO of Cook Travel Bureau died aged 83

and in 514ad Symmanus italian Pope from 498 to 514 died

not much chance of me coming back as the latter:D

susie123 02-01-2012 10:22

Re: Do you know who you might be?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 959671)
So, I'm not the only one who can see a world in a grain of sand;) I read that one to my critters too.:D

Eric your critters are truly fortunate to have someone like you to look after them.

mobertol 02-01-2012 16:34

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Originally Posted by mobertol http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Bien, cherie!

Je vois la vie en rose.:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 959729)
Ehhhhh:confused:

Just for you John - with all my heart!;)

La vie en rose - Edith Piaf - YouTube

jaysay 02-01-2012 17:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959805)
Originally Posted by mobertol http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Bien, cherie!

Je vois la vie en rose.:D



Just for you John - with all my heart!;)

La vie en rose - Edith Piaf - YouTube

Never did like french frogs:D

mobertol 03-01-2012 07:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 959819)
Never did like french frogs:D

And here was me thinking you were one of lifes romantics!;):D

jaysay 03-01-2012 08:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 959872)
And here was me thinking you were one of lifes romantics!;):D

Ya but it doesn't extend to Frogs:rolleyes::D

Eric 03-01-2012 17:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 959875)
Ya but it doesn't extend to Frogs:rolleyes::D

Right ... one has to have standards ... ;) And don't forget the krauts.:D

Come to think of it, you can divide the world into two groups: all the good ones ... Brits, Canucks, Aussies, and Kiwis ... are in the top group; and who really gives a you-know-what about the rest of them:alright:;)

jaysay 03-01-2012 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 959948)
Right ... one has to have standards ... ;) And don't forget the krauts.:D

Come to think of it, you can divide the world into two groups: all the good ones ... Brits, Canucks, Aussies, and Kiwis ... are in the top group; and who really gives a you-know-what about the rest of them:alright:;)

http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020408.gif

mobertol 03-01-2012 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 959948)
Right ... one has to have standards ... ;) And don't forget the krauts.:D

Come to think of it, you can divide the world into two groups: all the good ones ... Brits, Canucks, Aussies, and Kiwis ... are in the top group; and who really gives a you-know-what about the rest of them:alright:;)

My sister who's out there in Kiwi-land seems to have forgotten that she has a family in the "Old-world".

Distressing for me - the rest of my family seems to accept this disregard as normal...:o:(

If I did't call on special occasions there would be no contact whatsoever...

Bring back Cilla and "Surprise, surprise"

Jjacksonjackson 04-01-2012 13:51

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Better Be Todays Guy


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