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Eric 02-05-2012 16:28

Guilty? Or Not Guilty?
 
I know the evidence has not been formally presented in court, but from what you can infer from the following, how would you vote as a juror?

Montreal cabbie charged in hit and run up for bail - Montreal - CBC News

accyman 02-05-2012 16:58

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personally id find him innocent if he ran over teh guys head who kicked his car :)

AccyChris 02-05-2012 22:00

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i'd go 50/50 ......by which i mean cab driver guilty of reckless driving or assualt with a deadly weapon and a min of public order offence for the guy who clearly went out his way to get run over and getting run over would serve as half his punisment for acting like a yob. the cabbie if in fear of his life/safety could of countinued with the reverse manoeuvre and avoided the group he didnt have to use the cab to drive through the group hence reckless driving,assualt charge

Eric 02-05-2012 22:16

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Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 988994)
i'd go 50/50 ......by which i mean cab driver guilty of reckless driving or assualt with a deadly weapon and a min of public order offence for the guy who clearly went out his way to get run over and getting run over would serve as half his punisment for acting like a yob. the cabbie if in fear of his life/safety could of countinued with the reverse manoeuvre and avoided the group he didnt have to use the cab to drive through the group hence reckless driving,assualt charge

Ok ... it's a confused situation ... but a fair enough assessment. I have a slight bias toward the cabbie 'cause I've driven cabs on the night shift. In fact, I still own a cab.

accyman 02-05-2012 22:21

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everything they sufferered wa sbrought upon them by themselves and if they got hurt in the process of the drivers escape then tough luck they shoudlnt have set the events in motion that led to them getting hurt

cashman 02-05-2012 22:28

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unlike Eric my bias towards the cabbie is large. drunken yobs owt can happen.

AccyChris 02-05-2012 22:34

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 988997)
Ok ... it's a confused situation ... but a fair enough assessment. I have a slight bias toward the cabbie 'cause I've driven cabs on the night shift. In fact, I still own a cab.

how much to rossendaleWeb? :hidewall:

***Mr D*** 02-05-2012 22:34

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The Taxi Driver did seem to hang around to long, he could of left a lot earlier to avoid any further confrontation.

Guilty.

cashman 02-05-2012 22:38

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 989005)
The Taxi Driver did seem to hang around to long, he could of left a lot earlier to avoid any further confrontation.

Guilty.

Not knowing all the facts it appears reading article he hadn't been paid, thats why i come down on his side, would anyone work fer nowt?

Eric 02-05-2012 23:37

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989002)
unlike Eric my bias towards the cabbie is large. drunken yobs owt can happen.

This story is making it big all across Canada (and that's quite a hike:D) ... public opinion is def. on the side of the cabbie. I dunno ... if I were on a jury, and had the evidence that I glean from the media, I would probably go for a "not guilty" ... but, I still think he did it on purpose. If I had been in the same position (and I have been in similar), I would have been sorely tempted to drive over one or two of the (expletive deleted). And maybe I would have done it.

davemac 03-05-2012 10:33

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After watching the video, the driver never got out of his cab , and came under attack which did appear to escalate as he tried to drive away. Questions to be asked, why did he stay parked in the middle of the road for so long, and why did the passers by join in.
My opinion though, hit and run with mitigating circumstances, he was in fear for his safety.

cashman 03-05-2012 11:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989006)
Not knowing all the facts it appears reading article he hadn't been paid, thats why i come down on his side, would anyone work fer nowt?

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989014)
This story is making it big all across Canada (and that's quite a hike:D) ... public opinion is def. on the side of the cabbie. I dunno ... if I were on a jury, and had the evidence that I glean from the media, I would probably go for a "not guilty" ... but, I still think he did it on purpose. If I had been in the same position (and I have been in similar), I would have been sorely tempted to drive over one or two of the (expletive deleted). And maybe I would have done it.

I have also been in a similar position,in me Hackney days Eric, n the odds are i would have done the same.;)

***Mr D*** 03-05-2012 12:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989006)
Not knowing all the facts it appears reading article he hadn't been paid, thats why i come down on his side, would anyone work fer nowt?

Is it worth confrontation over $6-$9, I know it would be very annoying but what if the cabby was the one who got badly injured, knifed ect.

I still say he should of let the scene and reported it to the authorities as soon as he could.

I must admit the charges they are saying seem a little to harsh given the circumstances.

cashman 03-05-2012 12:56

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 989076)
Is it worth confrontation over $6-$9, I know it would be very annoying but what if the cabby was the one who got badly injured, knifed ect.

I still say he should of let the scene and reported it to the authorities as soon as he could.

I must admit the charges they are saying seem a little to harsh given the circumstances.

That would depend on a persons temperament, or another consideration is if it was a long ride fare, People may say $50 aint worth getting stuffed fer, But know what i'd be likely to do.

Eric 03-05-2012 13:04

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 989076)
Is it worth confrontation over $6-$9, I know it would be very annoying but what if the cabby was the one who got badly injured, knifed ect.

I still say he should of let the scene and reported it to the authorities as soon as he could.

I must admit the charges they are saying seem a little to harsh given the circumstances.

I do agree that the charges seem harsh; but, the police have little choice. Now it's up to the court.

Driving a hack at night is a dangerous job. I remember reading a few years ago, and there are probably stats still available (I'll have to look), that in the US list of jobs at which you were most likely to be murdered, driving a cab came in #2, just behind night clerk in a convenience store. I still own a cab. I have a couple of drivers on it, but, when I'm bored, or when my Lancashire work ethic kicks in, I'll drive it for a shift or two. Since the murder of a Kingston Cabbie in 2007, we have much better security. Cabs have "911" lights on them ... they are activated from within the cab, and can only be turned off by a concealed switch in the trunk (that's "boot" for you guys, oh, and for "911" read "999" ... a sign by the light says "If Light is Flashing, Call 911" ... and, of course, just about everyone has a cell phone. Many cabs have cameras that record the images of the passengers. All cabs can be located by GPS. The following article, "Taxing Nights Behind the Wheel" appeared in the Queen's University "Journal":

News From Behind The Wheel

AccyChris 04-05-2012 17:55

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after watching it again i'd still go 50/50 or both guilty whichever suits

Eric 05-05-2012 07:28

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Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 989509)
after watching it again i'd still go 50/50 or both guilty whichever suits

The cabbie made bail ... that's a good sign for the "not guilty" side. With a good lawyer, he'll walk ... the worst that can happen to him now is probably a guilty plea to reduced charges.

AccyChris 05-05-2012 09:43

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989684)
The cabbie made bail ... that's a good sign for the "not guilty" side. With a good lawyer, he'll walk ... the worst that can happen to him now is probably a guilty plea to reduced charges.

i see were your coming from with your bias view eric i assure you i do. even if he does walk at court in my opinion the point that he ran the guy(that wont be doing any walking soon :rolleyes:) over causing harm should hold a lawful charge in a court de jour but anyway lol ....
from what i've seen they've a funny way of showing justice in them places we call courts(de facto)...time will tell

Eric 05-05-2012 22:32

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Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 989716)
i see were your coming from with your bias view eric i assure you i do. even if he does walk at court in my opinion the point that he ran the guy(that wont be doing any walking soon :rolleyes:) over causing harm should hold a lawful charge in a court de jour but anyway lol ....
from what i've seen they've a funny way of showing justice in them places we call courts(de facto)...time will tell

Obviously, you haven't seen too much of Canadian courts. And the charges still stand. He is charged with assault with a weapon ... in this case, his cab. There are also the assorted Highway Traffic Act charges. With charges like these, and in circumstances like these, he will probably elect a jury trial. He claims that he felt his life was in danger, and the Crown will have a hard time proving that this was not so. How does that old saying go? "It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."

AccyChris 05-05-2012 22:49

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989870)
Obviously, you haven't seen too much of Canadian courts. And the charges still stand. He is charged with assault with a weapon ... in this case, his cab. There are also the assorted Highway Traffic Act charges. With charges like these, and in circumstances like these, he will probably elect a jury trial. He claims that he felt his life was in danger, and the Crown will have a hard time proving that this was not so. How does that old saying go? "It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."

lol fair play...is there charges against the guy finding it hard to get about at min??? :D


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