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After reading a lot of threads, I have come across mention of CCTV several times. Why does Accy need CCTV? If it does, what's happened to Accy that it needs it. Does the youth of Accy need a collective kick up the a*** or what? Or is it just general mayhem? If Accy needs CCTV then it seems to me there must be a lot of sick sods about. I know the world has changed but hell! to that extent?:confused:

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In my experience when a town is first kitted out with CCTV the crime rate drops dramatically. Everyone is aware of those cameras moving around and spontaneous muggings and theft will all but disappear in the town centre.

After a while, two things will happen. Crime and muggings will start to take place in areas outside of the cameras view especially on housing estates.... and there will also be the "idiots" that forget about the cameras completely and so the police will make more arrests as a result.

In my old town of Dunstable, cameras have been installed for a number of years and they have "witnessed" three murders that I can remember plus many serious incidents mostly outside nightclubs late at night.

They have been so effective that neighbouring towns have followed suite mostly by demand of the people that live in that area. They are expensive to operate but if a council can afford them, they are definitely beneficial and the feeling of "Big Brother watching us" is quickly lost.

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Thank you very much busman for answering my question. I wasn't concerned about them from a 'decent citizens" point of view in the sense of 'big brother' I was concerned that Accy needs them i.e. is the crime rate that bad in Accy. When I was a young fella, one could walk about anywhere in Accy night or day and not be concerned at such things as e.g.muggings. In another post someone advised me that if I come back to Accy for a visit to bring some body armour:) I wondered why.

It seems a shame to me that the state of affairs in Accy warrants their introduction. I am a retired cop myself and totally ignorant generally of the crime rate in U.K. Still. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
I am quite sure of course that they would be of great help to Police.

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I use to live on Rutland street , i told the wife i was just going to the shop
i went out my front door got to the side of the house and was shot at by kids with ( AS THE POLICE TOLD ME LATER) 1 of the most high powerd air guns you can get i was hit it the thigh and had to go to hospital to have it removed.
So accy is not that quiet now

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The same kids had fired at a wired glass window and the slug had gone right through and hit a guy inside.

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And I thought parts of my town were bad.

You were lucky not to have been more seriously hurt

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After having read all 125 posts started by lampman back in October in the thread 'Young people today' I have now got my answer to my question in this thread. The answer to lampmans Q. is yes. Todays youth are far worse than they were in the 50's and early 60's regardless of individual stories and the like from either era. It's a shameful fact but that's life. For those of you who have lived in Accy since those days this situation has crept up on you slowly until the present day. For me having read many a post on this forum, and having been away for 40 years, the difference is radical from then to present day. We loved our parents and they loved us despite the real discipline we received.(not to be confused with physical abuse) We respected our parents, teachers and Police. I know that a lot of the young today do the same but 'yobboism' is apparently a lot more prevalent than it was. They never had the same brand od discipline.

Yes I think you definitely need CCTV in Accy.:mad:

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We have CCTV in Doncaster and it does make you feel a bit safer when out and about at night, but when I lived in Accy I always felt safe and the states I used to fall out of the pubs in on a weekend this was defo a good thing...

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Are you absolutely sure it is the youth to blame? We grew up in the 50's & 60's with parents that TAUGHT us respect & discipline.

The youth of today are growing up with US for parents & from what I have observed we have caused this situation because we wiped our hands of the responsibility of caring about anything but our own little worlds.


We continue along this selfish vain by blaming them for something that we may well have caused.

Some of todays youth are not the type of people that you want to meet but they must be in a minority because there would be absolute terror on the streets if they were all like that.

I find that the majority of young people are just after the same thing we are a little bit of respect & not to be blamed for all that is wrong in a world which they have inherited from their parents.

Try talking to some of them, not just lumping them all together, maybe you will find it quite refreshing that their real aims in life are not too disimilar from your own!

:hehetable

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hear, hear, less i agree totally with what youve just said. ive always said it was "my generation" the 50's 60's that decided that our children would be brought up different, look wot the result is, no ALL THE CHILDREN arnt bad, most are just misled, id like to be the first (on this thread ) to say chuck the telly away & get back to talking.

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I wasn't aware that I had apportioned any blame. I am quite aware of what human beings are. I answered lampmans Q. According to all the posts in this forum, they are worse than in my era. End of story. Yesteryear. I or anyone else for that matter could walk around Accy night or day without any fear at all. Not so today. That's a fact. As to reasons why, read all the posts I mentioned in the above thread of lampmans. You won't find a definitive answer. But you can rest assured that discipline either given or not given is one of the answers.

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I also suggest that you read my post more carefully...Quote. "We respected our parents, teachers and Police. I know that a lot of young people today do the same thing.."

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Was it safe for people in the fifties when some (not all) 'Teddy Boys' carried cut throat razors? Was it safe in the sixties to go to the seaside IN BROAD DAYLIGHT when the mods & rockers had gone to meet for the day?

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sorry if you got the wrong impression terry, i for one & im sure less agrees we are not saying that you were apportioning blame on anyone, i was agreeing with you too , that things in accy have changed,& not always for the better, hence the cctv cameras!

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That's OK Mez. I am not annoyed or anything, just simply replying.:) :)

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Hang on a minute Less, don't fall into the trap of generalising here yourself. I am one of today's parents with responsibility of caring for my children and I do care for them. I do not accept that I have caused today's situation. I try to teach my children respect but the law says I am not allowed to teach discipline in the way I was disciplined - much as I would like to and for that I have been accused on these forums of child abuse because I said that I don't think that making smacking illegal is a good idea and admitting to having smacked my children when they were too young to understand a reasoned argument.

It brings to mind the recent news story of a father banned from contact with his family for six months because a police officer saw him smack his son in public - the son had been running out in front of cars and a smack was used as a last resort attempt to stop him doing that. It seems we are better thought of if we allow our toddlers to run into the path of oncoming vehicles and possibly get killed. Somehow that is considered kinder than a smack to prevent them doing so.

It's easy to lump people together in groups like "youth of today" and "parents of today" but of course we all know we don't mean ALL youth and ALL parents. However, it does seem that we have far more lawlessness now than we've had in the past - or does every generation feel the same? That doesn't mean that all, or even the majority are to blame, but a large minority are a problem. Hence the necessity for the CCTV cameras. I remember years ago a friend of my mother's got mugged and it was sensational because muggings just didn't happen in Accy - since then they have become far too common. Let's just hope it doesn't become a greater minority so that we do end up with mayhem on the streets here - some places already have it.

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[I][B]hi there
i might be taking a pub over in the town. i was told it was or should i say used to be a social club? can anyone let me know about it as i am not sure what its called but would like to know all about it please
regards
kath xxxx

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I might tell you about it, it could be the pub that was a club but isn't any-more it's very popular with people like me that only give a vague description of what is going on around them because reality is a thing of the past. From the description you give how-ever I am sure that myself & the rest of the occupants of this asylum will welcome you with open arms.

P.S. What sort of slate do you do?

:yelrotflm

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On a serious note it might help this lady if her question was moved to nightlife etc.

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It might help if she could give us a clue whereabouts it is. I heard King St club is changing hands.

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Hi There
Thanks for the reply. The only info i have on the pub is that it used to be a club and it is on JAMES ST

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Thanks Once Again For The Reply

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Whether or not the youth of today are worse generally, CCTV has made life safer for a lot of people. Yobboes don't like being caught (although if Lord Woolf has his way, all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a nice holiday).

As to the Big Brother idea, yes, it is open to misuse, but so is everything else. Those who are law-abiding are far less worried - I do wonder about the Civil Rights lobby - as far as I can see, CCTV helps to protect MY rights not to be mugged or assaulted.

Hopefully the pendulum is swinging back - it is a ridiculous situation when if I hit a burglar who has broken into my home and threatened me over the head, I can be sent to prison. If it was open season on burglars, then there would be fewer of them willing to risk it.

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Slap on the wrist? I don't think that's allowed these days.

We haven't got a James Street Kathleen but we do have a Saint James Street - named after the church. It sounds like you're talking about The Bees Knees aka The Derby or whatever it's called again now.

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Kathleen - If it is the Bees Knees, please don't let the bar staff play the music so loud. The only time we were there, it blew the wax out of my ears!

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are you sure its accy kathleen? theres a james st club up ossy, could that not be it?

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:DHere we go then!i have a public house....ooops....sorry...an INN...This has got cameras all over inside and out,Why you ask?the reason is if anything happened to me my family or my customers it is all recorded and valuable information to the police!It also deters a..h....s who want to go out and offend the majority of good people who only wish for a pleasent night out with family or friends!THE ACCY WEBBERS calm down when they are out on the lash :D because i could transfer it onto live cam and show the world what party animals they are..he..heee.

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Second that Pendy. What a totally bloody barmy situation that is. Anyone should have the right to defend themselves in their own home if someone breaks in. And when I say "defend themselves", I mean to the ultimate extent. When someone breaks into your home, there is no way of knowing how far that person is prepared to go to get whatever it is they want. They could be there to kill, steal, rape who the hell knows? As victims, we have to assume that they are prepared to cause us bodily harm to achieve their aims, so if I have to kill them to ensure that they don't get what they want and/or harm my family, that should be my right. They shouldn't bloody-well be there in the first place.:mad: Shoot first and ask the questions afterwards!

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I'm with you on this one JohnW.