Is Accrington going to become a haven for the homeless?
 

I assume most towns have homeless folk in them.....You may of seen the poor guy who sleeps outside the old blockbuster video store or perhaps that "Johno" chap that sleeps outside the old tax office,I doubt you've seen the chap who lives in a container on the farm near mother redcap or the young lad who wanders from Bburn along the canal and sleep in a abandoned factory.

Now,I must emphasize, 'in no way am I having a go at these charities' but with places like hyndburn help I think that's it's name,the shop across from the town hall,maundy grange and St James church etc helping out these poor souls that are down on their luck,is Accrington going to become a haven for the homeless?

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There were two blokes dossed down in the doorway of the old video shop rental place across from the Town Hall yesterday lunchtime.

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It became a haven fer junkies n dossers years ago thanks to HBC.:rolleyes:

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And a little help from Maundy

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But we're not talking about "junkies" or "dosser's",unless your saying that all those who are unfortunate enough to find themselves homeless fall into one of said categories?

Don't worry though C,Accrington police will have water cannons soon and that will clear them off the streets :rolleyes:

Maundy grange may well of attracted a few "p1 double s takers' over the years but I think the government has a big part to play, if we're playing the blame game, after all they are ones that pursue policies that makes the uphill battle of the homeless and poor even worse.

The homeless tend to have very little in the way of representation apart from a few overworked, under funded charities like 'maundy'.
I knew Dorothy well,such a lovely lady with time for 'anyone'.

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There have always been homeless in Accy.
I recall that in thr 60's they dossed overnight in the brickworks for warmth from the kilns.
They weren't as visible there.

They attended 'the Nash' (National Assistance Board) for a small daily handout to pay for food.

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Thats me point they flourished through HBC. And accyx dorothy was a lovely lass no doubt at all, But you never had a business that was intimidated by some of the real clowns that inhabited Maundy, that used to stand outside the chemist on Peel St. Dorothys trouble was should never distinguish the difference. Really you should be on the football forum, yeh would get on well wi Davo.:rolleyes:

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Yes I seem to recall a couple of them round that area back in the day, And a little later (80s) there was a chap (I think he was known locally as dancing billy) who I use to see all the time round were animal magic and the fish market use to be.

With all these rotting buildings in Accrington it's a shame nobody has turned one into a shelter,I believe there was talks of one down church but I haven't heard anything more about it.

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Haven: a place of refuge or rest: a sanctuary and place of safety.

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I've never really been one for being intimidated/irritatited by folk that are different from myself,though obviously I can see how some folk could see these folk as anti social characters.

As for the football threads.....Hmmm, think I'll give that one a miss ;)

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Eh up,the padant police is here :p

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Would padant be something along the lines of pedant? Hmmmm! :s_aim1: ;)

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Now, DinG, you're being padantic!

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Well better a pedant than a bell end with bluntly telegraphed messages and ambiguous posts.

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Worse than all that, after all we can just about understand a homeless person staying close perhaps to his roots, is the mindless person that attempts to bring such topics to our attention without thinking the problem through.

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Well look who's rocks have grown,I can only assume your last infraction has expired :D

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Just out of curiosity, where in the above have you actually connected the title, Is Accrington going to become a haven for the homeless?

with, Accrington becoming a haven for the homeless?
:confused:

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Yet there are so many empty houses up for rent... around £450 a month for many of them.Price of renting is so extortionate perhaps its more prosperous to sleep outside

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Oh so anti social aint asking fer money,fags, and selling yer methadone yeh got when the chemist opened on Peel St, is not anti social to a cretin like you? in full view of all n sundry.

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Seen as you seem interested :rolleyes:.....Your right,I didn't mention the kid was from mill hill and the chap living at red cap farm is originally from ossy....not a million miles away but not technically Accy lads.

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I think it's past someone's bedtime ;)

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Well done sunshine.
You finally get something right in your assumptions even though you are typing one handed with your pants round your ankles.

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The poor are always with us....and will be forever.
It does not matter how you help some people, you can lift them out of the hole they have dug for themselves and they will go and dig themselves another hole.
During my working life I had a friend who was a social worker.... A lovely lady who was kind and non judgemental.
Some of her clients made her despair.
These men that you cite have had some part to play in their current situation.
We cannot expect the government(of whatever colour) to be responsible for us if we cannot exercise some responsibility for ourselves......and then complain of government 'meddling'.
I do not want to live in a nanny state......one where a government department takes away the control of my life.

You need to know the backgrounds of these homeless people...how they became homeless, and why they remain homeless....and what efforts they have made on their own behalf.

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I almost put a like against this post, but decided against it, after all there would be something perverse about liking a post that conjures up the image of a complete Richard in such a position.
:o

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There are numerous reasons one could find oneself on the streets,for example,the young lad from mill hill was physically abused by his dad and the chap from red cap farm split up with his wife after coming home to her in bed with another fella (neither take drugs or want to be homeless),the chap outside the tax office however is allegedly protesting about benefits.
As far as efforts go,i can only assume they've tried to help themselves but it only takes a few hard knocks before depression got the better of them.

Where would i find the stats for homelessness applications in Accrington?

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Both of the situations you cite are very sad, but they are not insurmountable......there are charities out there who do help in such situations.....but you have to search out that help.
Many people want someone else to do all the legwork....they abdicate responsibility for themselves.....and you cannot do that.
As for assumptions, they are dangerous things.....you cannot assume anything.

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"insurmountable" I doubt its that simple M,it only takes a few "hard knocks" in a short period to become depressed and bury your head in the sand or turn to drugs etc as a form of escape.
I truly hope your not saying it's their own fault for not doing something about it?
Why would any homeless person want to stay in that position?
Only a assumption (again) but I'm pretty sure that if a homeless person had a chance to change and not be homeless they would.

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You know me far better than to think I am saying it is their own fault....when you have a problem you have to be responsible enough to seek out solutions......burying your head in the sand is not an option....Most people will have some family that they can turn to...unless of course there are other things in their lives which have caused estrangement there as well....and if that is the case then maybe that has some bearing on their homelessness.

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I didn't think you was without compassion,but i had to make sure ;)

Its worth mentioning that there are folk that are homeless that are not simply down on their luck but suffer mental illness's etc and have no family members to back them up :(

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The gov spends hundreds of thousands (probably 'billions') on killing folk around the world, Why can't they spend a little of that money caring for our homeless etc?
Is there really no hope :(

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For the folk killed? No.
For the homeless? A little.

For you? I'm afraid not.;)

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I've come to realise that emotions/tensions can sometimes run high on this forum where we nudge and bait each other. However, I would like to take this moment to say that it's just 'banter' and i really hope I've not offended anyone (no malice was ever intended).

AccyEx loves you all (not in a homosexual way before any of you get your hopes up).

Group hug?

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Hug??

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

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Sorry G, I forgot about your personal space issues ;)

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Must admit I'm not keen on this 'Moo Moo' kissing women and men hugging each other(OK with a woman though!).
The Continentals do that.

What's happened to kissing the ladies hand and shaking the man's hand?
Let's have some style- we're British!

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by eck owd chap your right :cheers:

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I could have been really rude and said I have a keen sense of smell- but I'm not really rude so I won't.:D

Anyway, for all I know you use Egoiste- I like that.

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You keep forgetting we're not all as posh as you, I'm still on tars ;)

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Definitely no hugging then!

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The government spend millions, perhaps even billions, on trying to keep the government away from shame, to help in that they divert our attention to situations abroad, you however always without knowing it, bring the subject back to the main thing they should invest in, EDUCATION, because without you knowing at least a little, the rest of us stand no chance, we have to fight your idiocy as well as the rest of the world.

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The plain fact is, you probably don't give a monkey's about anything including the un-housed, you just want to post, you don't care if it's a good post, a good thread, or a good subject, you are gifted with an imagination that allows you to post without thinking and without knowing anything worthwhile about any subject you post in.

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If you want a hug. Railway on a Saturday Afternoon. Less gives out Hugs.... for a price :D

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Excuse me? Less has been known to sell hugs, NEVER, to give them!

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Name your price!

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sounds like an accurate description of myself

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Nah, I've met you, you'd be too enthusiastic trying to give satisfaction to remember about charging.

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lol when my mate from school days s sozzled hes always trying to hug... Time for me to RUN....

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Well of course you ran, though I imagine you never ran so fast that he couldn't catch up, otherwise neither of you would have had much fun.

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I take it your out of the 'group hug' too? :cuddle:

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I heard there was a fire at our local homeless persons sleeping quarters so i decided to drop him a parcel off (nothing much just a bit of food,hat,scarf,gloves and socks).
Tell you what,I don't envy anyone that sleeps ruff :(

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i read he had switched locations and the stuff that was set fire to was stuff he had left behind

he could go to shelter anytime and get help but its his protest and i wont tell him how to protest infact iv read many have offered to help him but he refuses help

a lot of anger has brewed up over his belongings been torched but by what iv read on facebook he had left them behind after switching to a new sleeping location and unfortunatley if you abandon or dump a pile of crap where kids and vandals can see it in plain sight it will get set fire to eventually.Even our MP graham jones took to facebook worrying about this mans gear been burned.

if people feel they must help the homeless there are many genuine cases of people who did not ask to be homeless or make themselves homeless and shelter are always looking for help to help these genuine people

in my younger years i found myself homeless and lived on the streets for almost 6 months or to be more specific i slept in bus shelters , train shelters, the old bowlig green shelters up the coppice and occasionally in the back of waggons.If it was really cold the police would let me sit in the waiting area at accy station if it wasnt busy to warm up.I held down a full time job and saved what i could from my YTS to get my deposit for a flat so when i hear of people intentionally making themselves homeless it kinda pi**es me off a touch especially when by what iv read elswhere hes getting sympthy because stuff he basically fly tipped got set on fire

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That's a fair and honest comment,though I would say he's still genuine even if it is through choice.
Their was a chap sleeping their as my pic shows,not sure if it was the same chap,he ended up with a few extras when he woke up whoever it was :)

One thing I did notice is, he seemed to be doing pretty well for someone in his situation (his gear looked fresh) as apposed to those folk like you say who end up homeless through no fault of their own.

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one minute folk are condeming how the town is and like me have mentioned homeless people been allowed to set up camp outside blockbusters at 2.30pm saturday afternoon then the next minute folk are setting up a donation page and handing him donations

if he must protest in this way maybe dumping himself and his gear on the nearest labour MPs or councilors doorstep because its them who control the council or nearest conservitive coucnilor as the torys brought in the bedroom tax might be more fruitfull

i have no gripe with the homeless im not about to act out scenes from the clockwork orange film and start kicking tramps to death but this seems to be a very poorly thought out protest and dosnt seem to be working either

he should pack in before his health is seriously effected.When i was homeless i was young and it effected my health so god knows how hes going to be effected

The council wont help him now because he intentionally made himself homeless and it would be unfair to those who are already seeking somewhere to live but with the publicity hes got at the moment someone might offer him a flat or something that wont get hit with bedroom tax