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Accyexplorer 06-07-2015 10:06

Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
I'm sure most folk are aware of the dangers of leaving their pets in the car on a hot day.What I want to know is,if I was to stumble across a animal in destress can I legally break the window on someone's car in a bid to help it?

Greeny 06-07-2015 10:13

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
A very good question, maybe the RSPCA could answer that one.

cashman 06-07-2015 10:15

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Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 1144091)
A very good question, maybe the RSPCA could answer that one.

Reckon not, would think only the Law can answer, My guess would be No.

gpick24 06-07-2015 10:24

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
If the dogs in danger then yes you can.
Here`s the RSPCA`s advice.

If the situation becomes critical for the dog and the police are too far away/unable to attend, many people’s instinct will be to break into the car to free the dog.

If you decide to do this, please be aware that without proper justification, this could be classed as criminal damage and, potentially, you may need to defend your actions in court.

Make sure you tell the police what you intend to do, why, and take images/footage of the dog and the names and numbers of witnesses to the incident.

Dogs die in hot cars - Health and welfare - Dogs

smobile 06-07-2015 10:38

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I wouldn't hesitate, justification or not.

gpick24 06-07-2015 10:44

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Smash them all, just to be on the safe side.:dancedog:

cashman 06-07-2015 10:55

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1144095)
If the dogs in danger then yes you can.
Here`s the RSPCA`s advice.

If the situation becomes critical for the dog and the police are too far away/unable to attend, many people’s instinct will be to break into the car to free the dog.

If you decide to do this, please be aware that without proper justification, this could be classed as criminal damage and, potentially, you may need to defend your actions in court.

Make sure you tell the police what you intend to do, why, and take images/footage of the dog and the names and numbers of witnesses to the incident.

Dogs die in hot cars - Health and welfare - Dogs

So if like me yeh aint got stuff wi yeh to take images n names n numbers of people, or not even got yer mobile wi yeh, which i aint pretty regular, yer safer ignoring n letting the dog suffer?

gpick24 06-07-2015 11:24

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If you don't have a mobile on you then it's up to you whether you leave the dog to suffer or risk possible repercussion in court. I'm sure there'd be plenty who'd just walk away.

Accyexplorer 06-07-2015 13:21

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
I bet the statistics for dogs that die in hot cars is heartbreaking,it makes me wonder if these folk would leave their kids in the same conditions and, I'm afraid to say, I think they probably would.
I hear a conservatory can create similar conditions and that leaving a window or a bowl of water is little to no help for your pet.

Personally,I think I'd have take my day in court defending my actions,as a animal lover, I couldn't live with the thought that I'd just walked away.

gpick24 06-07-2015 13:27

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I saw a video the other week, someone had left dogs in a car with windows wound up on a hot day (I`ve been trying to find it again but haven`t yet), there was a business advertised on the side of the car, it was a dog groomers. They say there no such thing as bad publicity, I disagree, I doubt anyone who saw the video would ever use them.

DtheP47 06-07-2015 13:43

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1144104)
Smash them all, just to be on the safe side.:dancedog:

So you smash the window, the dog escapes and bites a chunk out of your arse.
Who you gonna call?

gpick24 06-07-2015 13:51

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1144131)
So you smash the window, the dog escapes and bites a chunk out of your arse.
Who you gonna call?

The arse doctor.:p

maxthecollie 06-07-2015 14:42

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1144131)
So you smash the window, the dog escapes and bites a chunk out of your arse.
Who you gonna call?

Arse Busters

gpick24 06-07-2015 14:48

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1144138)
Arse Busters

Good job the forums advertising software didn`t turn that into a link, you might have been in bother.:D

DtheP47 06-07-2015 15:05

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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1144133)
The arse doctor.:p

You got him on speed dial gpick? :D

gpick24 06-07-2015 15:22

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1144144)
You got him on speed dial gpick? :D

Don`t be cheeky. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/mo...butt-dance.gif

DtheP47 06-07-2015 15:49

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:)Let's get this banter behind us!

maxthecollie 06-07-2015 15:53

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I think most people and dog lovers would smash the window without a second thought. I know I would.

Studio25 06-07-2015 16:35

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Technically, it's criminal damage. You'd be hard-pushed to find anyone in the police who would prosecute, though - given their own experience of the issue.
Two Met Police dogs left in unventilated vehicle die - BBC News

Neil 07-07-2015 09:47

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
I'd call 999 and let the police deal with it. They have stated on several police facebook pages they will come out and deal with it.

cashman 07-07-2015 13:00

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1144182)
I'd call 999 and let the police deal with it. They have stated on several police facebook pages they will come out and deal with it.

A week ago my daughter with her 3 kiddies were in Bury centre,she was picking one of em up, when a stranger started Fing @ Blinding in front of em, a guy walking past, asked him to tone it down, as he was frightening the kids, The guy then hit this fella,breaking his glasses n cutting his face, others present called the police, who arrested the guy in McDonalds across the road, my daughter left her name address, telephone number with the police, and was told they would contact her later that evening, this was a week ago yesterday, still no contact, so that advice is pretty worthless Neil, its correct but worthless, unless yer very lucky,

maxthecollie 07-07-2015 13:12

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1144182)
I'd call 999 and let the police deal with it. They have stated on several police facebook pages they will come out and deal with it.

Probably when the dog has died

Michael1954 07-07-2015 13:23

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1144182)
I'd call 999 and let the police deal with it. They have stated on several police facebook pages they will come out and deal with it.

Would the police consider it an emergency? I can't see them turning up in a hurry with lights flashing.

Studio25 07-07-2015 17:34

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 1144206)
Would the police consider it an emergency? I can't see them turning up in a hurry with lights flashing.

I phoned to report a neighbour's burglar alarm going off about a week ago. They requested that I hang up, go out to look through the windows and call back if I see see anything suspicious.

It's my opinion that the police are so wrapped up in paperwork and meeting targets set by politicians with no grip on reality, that the basic act of policing is something we need to do ourselves. A sig on the land rover forum just about sums it up: "If you are a victim of crime anywhere in this country, you are in it alone and undefended. Call for the Police, call for a home delivery pizza - see which arrives first."

shillelagh 08-07-2015 00:36

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i was threatened while out for a walk with my neighbour about taking photos i didnt ring the police till i got back home ... the next day a police officer was at my door wanting to know all the details and description etc etc .. they contacted my neighbour that night after she got home from work about the details. This was easter sunday. Last week i got a phone call from lancashire police to give me an update and to ask if i was satisfied with the service i had from them.

Accyexplorer 08-07-2015 03:23

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
Chances are you'd be arrested for criminal damage,then released without charge after you'd proved
your reason for smashing it was justified (dog was clearly distressed) and you thought its life was at risk.
Probably best to test that your furry-full of teeth friend isn't going to bite your ass after you open the car.
If possible,grab witness details too just to be safe (I know that's a job for the police,but that's the world we live in nowadays).

cashman 08-07-2015 06:41

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 1144246)
i was threatened while out for a walk with my neighbour about taking photos i didnt ring the police till i got back home ... the next day a police officer was at my door wanting to know all the details and description etc etc .. they contacted my neighbour that night after she got home from work about the details. This was easter sunday. Last week i got a phone call from lancashire police to give me an update and to ask if i was satisfied with the service i had from them.

Which proves to me,its a lottery when yeh report anything.;)

RainbowSix 14-07-2015 12:28

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
If you come across this, take lots of photos with your phone, get witnesses and video the dog in distress.

Call the police and ask them how soon they can attend, if they cannot get there within minutes then advise them what you are going to do because you feel that the dog is in great distress. It only takes 15-20 minutes to kill a dog in a hot car.

Pick the cheapest looking window to smash, this may in fact be the windscreen as most cars have windscreen insurance. ;)
Big rock, rescue dog. Job well done.
When owner returns get as much evidence about them as you can, name, photo, their replies etc. Then pass it onto the police & RSPCA to prosecute them.
Before the police do turn up scarper.

If my dog is with me I cannot go into a shop unless it too can. If I have to wait outside then we both wait outside the car.

Simples.

Big Joe 09-02-2018 22:02

Re: Can I legally smash someone's car window?
 
If you look up on the internet you will find cases where people have been prosecuted for animal cruelty for leaving dogs in cars and hot days with no ventilation. There was also a case a couple of years ago where a dog died in an unventilated car. The law gives protection to anyone entering a property including a vehicle to save a human life. ie Breaking a window to rescue a child in a car on a hot day. If you came across an animal in the same circumstances maybe it would be best to call the Police or the RSPCA

RainbowSix 10-02-2018 08:40

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Does the law also give protection to people who reply to several years old posts? :)

cashman 10-02-2018 08:51

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Its better to reply to a post no matter how old it is, its called keeping the forum alive.:rolleyes:


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