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Does anyone know where Napoleon Street in Clayton used to be??

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I have lived in Clayton for 35+ years and I have never heard of it, but I will ask around and get back to you. Would it be nosy of me to ask why you want to know????

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I`m doing the family tree and was chatting to a chap in Rawtenstall library who said he had relations living on Napoleon St in Clayton. I said I`d never heard of it, low and behold the next day searching the1871 census I found I had relations living on the same street. So i`m intrigued......

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I will ask some of the older members in our street, maybe they will know of it.
I will let you know if I find out anything.

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I'm looking at an old map and Napoleon Street looks like it was either Atlas Street or part of Whalley Road, it's very hard to tell which though but I'II keep at it.

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From what I can make out it's the section of Whalley Rd between Church Lane and the turn off to Rishton is it called Blackburn Rd?

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Now why didn`t I realise it would be near Waterloo Street.. Doh!! Thanks Bagpuss

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I think it may have been demolished when they widened the road at Load Of Mischief

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I've looked at the map again and it's before Atlas St. was built or so it seems. Napoleon Street was a part of Whalley Rd not a separate street.

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None of the folks I have talked to can recall Napoleon St.......they are all in their late 80's so maybe it is even before their time. Could you get a squizz at the old street maps......maybe Accy Library could help.

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I found it on a site recommended by our friend A Bob, it says:
Two scales of historic mapping are available:

The 1:10,560 (6-inch) first edition surveyed 1844-1850 (published 1847-1853) is available for those pre-1974 Lancashire areas within the current county.

The 1:2500 (25-inch) first edition surveyed 1884-92 (published 1891-1894) is available for several urban areas.

It looks like the one I was looking at is the 1884-92 edition. For your interest the website is http://mario.lancashire.gov.uk/

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I hadn't seen that and thought you must mean the cricket club but no it says race course, I wonder what type it was?

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Looking at it again it could be on the site that is now Enfield Cricket Club.

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which street did you live in margaret i lived in victor street

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I have just looked at the site with the maps on.....it is fascinating.......even managed to get the ol feller to come and have a look!
When I first moved to Clayton in 1966 I lived in Henry St (long row), but moved into Maple St in 1968. Clayton has changed so much in the time that I have been here.

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I am going to send this website address to my sister in law in Australia......I'm sure she will be interested. I was going to do a really silly thing.......was going to print the map off and post it to her!!!!!!! DOH! what a dummy I am.

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Where in Henry Street did you live? It seems most of my relations lived in most of the properties at the turn of the century!

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My husband and his family lived at 15 Henry St...... this was round about 1963.....then he went out to Oz and came back in 1966 and moved into number 3 Henry St......we shared that house with his mum for a few months after we got married while we decorated the house in Maple St that we still live in now.

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Hope it's OK to revive this ancient thread rather than start a new one on the same subject. I spent a large part of today looking at old maps of Clayton for Mack on another thread about shops in Whalley road. Noticed on the 1890 map that Whalley Road from the Greyhound to the Hare and Hounds was called Napoleon Street. No name is mentioned from there to the canal bridge but after the canal bridge the road is called Enfield Street. However the canal bridge is marked as Whalley Road Bridge and on the canal side is Whalley Road Wharf!

The name must have changed by the time of the directory in which I found the entry for the shop I was looking for, between the Volunteer and the Albion, listed as 233 Whalley Road, which it still is today. However I can't find out the directory date without spending money on the Ancestry website!

What I did find out just now, looking through some family history info I collated years ago, is that my great aunt Florrie, the first of my great grandad's six children, was born at 99 Napoleon Street in 1889. They had moved on by the time the next child arrived, but I thought the street name rang a vague bell!

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Forgot to mention in my last post that what is now Blackburn Road, Clayton, was on the 1890 map as Anglesea (sic) Street. The title of Marquess of Anglesey (again sic) was created after the battle of Waterloo for the second Earl of Uxbridge, who lost his leg in the battle . So that ties in with Napoleon Street. Will have to look for a Wellington Street!

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Just over the canal on the same side as the shops.

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So it is Roy - hadn't even got round to looking at the map! Thanks.

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Nice to see yeh about willow, have missed yeh.;)

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The first one is Victoria st,commonly known by old Claytoners as the Pump,don't ask me why.

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I wonder just when the Napoleon St name came into being. This road was a turnpike and probably did not have a name such as we know when the turnpike was laid down ( although it probably was along the line of an existing road) It would be unusual for the name of an enemy to be used as a street name, and it is not surprising that it was changed to something else.

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Willow, that is a very kind offer. I have seen several of your old posts on here and wondered if you were still about. I was looking earlier today to see if I could identify a certain shop in Clayton and found the right name in a free directory search on Ancestry, together with an address in Whalley Road. When I looked it up on Streetview it turned out to be the right shop and tied in with an old photo.

However to find the date of the directory I would have had to pay, but thinking about it I don't think it would add anything much to what we have already found out. So I don't think I will need to make use of your services at the moment, but I hope you won't mind if I decide later that I woud ike to find out that information.

By the way did you know that I live in Morecambe? I believe you are very fond of the place.

Thanks again for taking an interest.

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This seems to be spelt correctly so why sic?

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Michael, the word sic has nothing to do with correctness. It means thus.

Added immediately after a quoted word or phrase it indicates "thus it was written" - the quoted words have been transcribed exactly as spelled or presented in the original source, complete with any erroneous spelling or other presentation. The usual purpose is to inform the reader that any errors or apparent errors in the transcribed material do not arise from transcription errors.

So as I was trying to point out that though the words were spelt differently they probably refer to the safe person, I was informing readers that I had not mistakenly transcribed either of the two words but had copied them down as they appear in the sources I used.

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According to LCC the turnpike came into being in 1789 and as you say probably did not have a name as such. The need for a name arose only when houses were built along it and this was obviously after 1815 judging by this and the surrounding street names. The censuses would give a clue as to when the name was changed.

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On the 1845 map there are no houses at all along the road, just a few mills by the canal. It's marked Blackburn and Whalley Trust and there is a toll point at the end of Church Lane on the next corner to the Greyhound.

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I am fully aware of the meaning of sic and its usage.

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The only clue I can find is in Andrea Davies's book 'Memories of Clayton-le-Moors and Altham'. She states the names were changed, to what they are now, at the turn of the 20th century.

She also talks about the old iron bridge crossing the canal. I picture an iron bridge of iron structure ... :) Was it rebuilt to what it is now or just my lack of knowledge of bridge engineering ?

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It's OK ... can now see that the structure underneath has metal support. :)

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Which bridge do you mean Kate?

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The Whalley Road Bridge.

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See it is Metal underneath. So, is that an Iron Bridge then ?

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Doesn't show up on the photo, but if there are girders under supporting the brick work then I should say yes, next time you are near the Blackburn rd bridge see if there are girders under that one? Can you remember if they have been strengthened in the last few years.

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Davemac should have lots of pictures of both bridges, he often walks that way.

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Did you click to enlarge ? Can see the beam across is metal.

No, can't say I have noticed it being strengthened, but wouldn't have taken much notice really... lol.

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I have just done a quick flip through the BMD records on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk site for All Saints parish, Clayton. The earliest mention of Napoleon Street I can find is 1865, the latest 1895.

I wonder if the street name actually is in honour not of Bonaparte, but of Louis Napoeon, later Napoleon III, who was Emperor of France at the time of the Crimean War.

Napoleon III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That's more like it. Boney's nephew spent alot of time in Southport and there is some evidence that the post-1848 Paris rebuilding - with it's wide boulevards and splendid shops - was based in part on Lord Street, Southport.

Which makes me think.....suppose that instead of staying by the seaside. the last Emperor of France had resided 35 miles east...instead of the Champs Elysees, there could be Blackburn Rd, Paris...instead of Wallace fountains, Ossy passoirs.... instead of the Centre George Pompidou, the Centre Peter Britcliffe...... instead of the Eiffel Tower..Le Panopticon d'Accy.....

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Spot on Tealeaf, the Southport connection must have been at the back of my mind when I thought of the connection.

I like your flight of fancy for Accy as well...!

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Good lateral thinking Tealeaf.....l'eglise de Church.

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My g-grandfather's sister married a William Whittaker and they lived at 73 Napoleon Street Clayton-le-Moors, in 1881.

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Just been looking at the Census for 1891 - it mentions Frank Street (1 house), which is still there, coming off Whalley Rd.

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I've checked the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses for Napoleon Street.

No great changes between 1881 & 91, but between 1891 and 1901 Napoleon Street became (part of?) Whalley Rd, the odd numbers became the even numbers and the direction was reversed.

I've found the following matches :-

1 Napoleon Street = 170 Whalley Rd, 3 = 168, 27 = 144, 35 = 134, 45 = 124, 61-63 = 108-102, 71 = 98, 85 = 84, 93&95 = 76&74, 99 = 70, 105 = 64, 113 = 56, 155 = 12. Moorfield House = 8 Whalley Rd.


Jubilee St is between 129(40?) & 131(36/38)

DISCLAIMER - House numbers can go down as well as up and other Whalley Roads are available.