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Theo de Rose 05-11-2007 07:08

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Hello everyone,
My father was Gerard de Rose the portrait painter, born in Accrington on 21st August 1918. He was an only child. I believe one of his paintings hangs in the town hall?
His mother was Nellie Dean family of Carrara Cottage in Accrington.

She had married Ben Lee Herman de Rose; who changed his name to Paul Ehrlich, after his German uncle Dr. Paul Ehrlich. Paul had the "Paulerl Direction Orchestra" and played in and around Accrington. Paul for some reason left Nellie in about 1921 and as far as I know emigrated to Canada or America and was never seen again

Nellie had 4 or 5 sisters.
Thomas Dean was the father a stone mason, hence Carrara Cottage.

The only Dean trace I have was the late Leslie Dean, who had a daughter and son, Louise and John. Leslie's wife was Dorothy. John lived in London in the 80's but I lost track with him.

If there is anyone out there related or has information; I'd love to hear back from you. My email is: [email protected].

Many thanks,
Theo de Rose.

lancsdave 05-11-2007 12:33

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Will there be any reference to an old mill by the stream ?

Sorry I'll get my coat :)

garinda 05-11-2007 12:53

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Good luck with your search, though I'm afraid I can offer no help.

It would be interesting to know if there are any paintings in Accrington, as these two that were sold at Sotheby's in New York, look fantastic.

Gerard de Rose on artnet

Was your father educated in Accrington? Anymore information would be much appreciated, as I certainly think he should be in our Accrington Hall of Fame.

lancsdave 05-11-2007 13:13

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What about this thread ?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tist-3114.html

garinda 05-11-2007 13:25

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 489038)

Lol, well done.

You get today's researcher gold star.:D

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...old_star_2.jpg

lancsdave 05-11-2007 13:35

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Was Nellie a nickname ? The 1901 census doesn't list her and I can't imagine her being born later than that to a mother who was already 53

DeanHannah 53WifeHyde, Cheshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanThomas 49HeadMarble MasonBradford, Yorkshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanAnnie 23DaughterDress MakerBradford, Yorkshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanBeatrice 21DaughterTailoressBurnley, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanJohn G 20SonTailor's FitterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanAlothea A 17DaughterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanEffie 15DaughterSewing Machinist Under ClothingAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanEdith E 13DaughterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

lancsdave 05-11-2007 19:31

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 489057)
Was Nellie a nickname ? The 1901 census doesn't list her and I can't imagine her being born later than that to a mother who was already 53

DeanHannah 53WifeHyde, Cheshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanThomas 49HeadMarble MasonBradford, Yorkshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanAnnie 23DaughterDress MakerBradford, Yorkshire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanBeatrice 21DaughterTailoressBurnley, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanJohn G 20SonTailor's FitterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanAlothea A 17DaughterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanEffie 15DaughterSewing Machinist Under ClothingAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington

DeanEdith E 13DaughterAccrington, Lancashire 15 Oxford Street, Accrington


Found out the question to my own answer :)

Nellie was indeed Edith E. The listing in the marriage records for 1917 match the detail in the first post ( Erlich or De Rose ). I suspect the E stands for Ellen which would explain where Nellie came from.

Atarah 06-11-2007 06:08

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How lovely that a son of one of "famous men" has written to our site. We should have a "Gerard de Rose" week.

Atarah

MargaretR 06-11-2007 06:40

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He hasn't responded to our replies yet , but I saw him looking in the early hours today

Theo de Rose 06-11-2007 07:12

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Dear June,
Thank you for your emails and photos; fantastic.
The last photo is of the portrait of a Texan Gerry painted in about 1970/71. He was a handsome man called Gerald Rose. From what I can remember it was a larger canvas.

At present I am trying to collate a list of all his works in view of contacting his old pals David Hockney and Peter Blake, to do a retrospective of his work as he was without question the only painter to paint the stars in the swinging sixties at great length and detail.

The hardest part of the family research is Gerry's dad as he left Nellie in about 1921 and they never saw him again. Trying to get links of Paul Ehrlich from US and Canada, but hard.

I have hundreds of photos of paintings so attached for all some of the more famous ones. Also a photo taken at The William Ware Gallery London 1969 of his first big exhibition. With him r to l: Charlie Drake, Gerry, Trevor Howard. Notice the drink and fag all in each hand, those where the days.

Thumbnails: Trevor Howard, David Hockney, John Wayne, Rod Steiger. Rat pack; Charlie, Gerry, Trevor.

Till soon,
Theo de Rose.

Atarah 07-11-2007 20:04

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Hi, Theo is now in touch with the curator of Haworth Art Gallery, with a view to maybe, sometime in the future, holding an exibition. Watch this space!

Atarah

garinda 07-11-2007 22:18

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 490501)
Hi, Theo is now in touch with the curator of Haworth Art Gallery, with a view to maybe, sometime in the future, holding an exibition. Watch this space!

Atarah

That's fantastic.:)

cashman 10-11-2007 15:25

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that would be great if it happens.:)

beechy 11-11-2007 07:33

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im sure i knew a de rose family in the eighties a set of female twins and a brother they worked at the vine mill in ossy for littlewoods and im sure they lived in the springhill area :)

Karateman 06-01-2012 21:26

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Is Carrara cottage still there? I have checked google maps and there appears to be only "one house" left on Oxford street on the right going down near the bottom. Could that be it?

Phil

susie123 06-01-2012 21:46

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Originally Posted by Karateman (Post 960765)
Is Carrara cottage still there? I have checked google maps and there appears to be only "one house" left on Oxford street on the right going down near the bottom. Could that be it?l

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Gerard was an Accrington born lad, whose father was of Russian descent. He was born at "Carrara Cottage" in Oxford Street, the house still being there to this day. The house was named by his grandfather, Mr Tom Dean, a well known mason in his time, who made old-style marble fireplaces and ornaments. The name "carrara" is derived from Italian-style masonry work.
I have often walked past this house on my way from Asda to the railway station. It's on the left as you go up the hill about a third to half way up. The name is inscribed on the gate posts and I often wondered if it had anything to do with marble.

Retlaw 06-01-2012 22:02

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Benn Herman DeRose.
Private 556510 Labour Corps.
Born in Vilva, Russia, age 34, occupation Musician.
Home address. Carara Cottage, Accrington.
Married to Edith Ellen, son Gerard Henrique born 21-08-1918.

Discharged from the Army 3-Jan-1919 at Prees Heath.


Retlaw.

Mary foster 08-12-2014 12:21

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Hello Theo.
My father was Leslie Richardson who was probably Gerry's oldest friend. They met on the first day of school: Gerry launched himself onto dad's back!
Leslie also won a place at the royal college of art, punctuated by becoming the radio operator on a mine sweeper for the duration of the war, then returning to college, finishing his stint there, marrying my mother and having me before they even left!
Leslie became a teacher at the London school of printing, which became the London college of graphic art, teaching fine art. He had many fine students, but by far and away his best was Ralph Steadman, who still valued his opinion right to the end. Dad died on the 22nd November 2014, aged 95. He still owned a very nearly full sized self portrait of Gerry which was given to him many years ago and depicts a young Gerry standing on a black and white tile floor, scattered with playing cards. My sisters and I remember him very clearly from all our childhood.
I have also just discovered that you have met my son James, who is an art director in films. What a very small world!


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