Cronshaw/Dean
 

I am a new member and I thought there must be someone out there in Accrington who may know who the following people are/were. They were my relatives that I never knew!

My father was Joseph Cronshaw Dean b 1900 at 62 Sultan Street, Accrington. He died in 1974 in Brighton, Sussex. I would love to know of his life before 1941 in Accrington. He was in the RNAS in WWI and in WWI he was in the RAF stationed at Manby in Lincolnshire.

His wife was Martha Davies b 1902 whom he married in 1921 - his son Joseph J Dean was born in 1921 - I don't know the address they were living at after they married

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The Ancestors were:

Jonathan Cronshaw - b 1825. In 1881 when he was 56 he was living at 188 Plantation Mills Cottage. He was a colour mixer.

Sarah Cronshaw - b 1861. In 1881 when she was 20, she was living with her father at the above address. No mother is mentioned ?deceased or away for the night. She is a daughter of the house and described as a "Housekeeper".

William Cronshaw - b 1864. Living at the above address in 1881, he was a Bench Marker. (What is a Bench Marker?)

I have no idea if this is the total number for this family (apart from wife wherever she is) - this is all that is on the 1881 census.

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Next door is the next generation at 189 Plantation Mills Cottages. (Does anyone have a photo of Plantation Mill and the Cottages please.

Christopher Cronshaw - b 1846 - worked in the Print Lab

Sarah Ellen Cronshaw - b 1846 - a Cotton Weaver

Susan Anne Cronshaw - b 1870 - aged 11 in 1881 and a schoolchild (MY GRANDMOTHER)

Mary Jane Cronshaw - b 1868 - aged 9 in 1881

Sarah Elizabeth Cronshaw - b 1866 - aged 7 in 1881

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In 1887 SUSAN CRONSHAW married JOSEPH DEAN on 26th December (Boxing Day) in 1887 at St. James Church, Accrington. She was 18 and he was 19. I don't know where they lived after the wedding but prior to the wedding he lived at 7 Ellison Street (his father was David Dean a Weaver - who lived at 12 Milraker Lane, Acc and was married to Bridget a Cotton Weaver who was b 1844) and she l (Susan) lived at 12 Mill Street (her father was Christopher Dean (above - and he was now a labourer). HAD THE MILLS CLOSED BY THEN?
The Vicar at the wedding who married them was John Procter Petty. The witnesses were AMOS STOREY and MARGARET ALICE MILLS.

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SUSAN CRONSHAW DEAN AND JOSEPH DEAN went on to have a few children:

HILDA - age 4 in 1901
WALTER - age 9 in 1901
ALICE MABEL - age 13 in 1901
JOSEPH CRONSHAW - age under 1 year in 1901 (MY FATHER)

Anyone who could furnish me wish any details, photos, anecdotes, gossip etc about any of the above, or where they lived, I would be eternally grateful to. PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN - MY LAST ATTEMPT AT FINDING OUT ABOUT MY ELUSIVE RELATIVES.

Sue Cassidy (ancient new member):bleedht:

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Here is a photo of the cottages your ancestors must have lived in i.e. Plantation Square, photo taken c1943. An old cobbled road (still there today) led from the cottages to the works where they were most probably employed - Plantation Mill Printworks.
Pensioners bungalows are now built on the site of the cottages

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Many thanks Atarah - not sure I would have liked to live there - perhaps they were new in 1881! I am very grateful for your feedback.

Sue 1

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Hi Sue, I checked a few records and here is some info- Jonathan born 17-April- 1824, christened 9-May-1824 at New Jerusalem Abbey St Accrington. Died 20-March-1907 buried at Burnley Rd. cemetery. He married Jane Wigglesworth in 1855 in Accrington, she was born in 1825 and died in 1880, that,s why you cant find her in the 1881 census. I,ll get back to you as I find more info. Bryan.

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Dear Ossie,

Thank you so much for looking this up for me. What is the New Jerusalemite Abbey - sounds Jewish and yet it doesn't - would it be a workhouse by any chance. Waiting with baited breath for more.

Sue 1

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Sue, the church is New Jerusalem on Abbey St. Pull up Accrington churches for a picture and history. The church today is new but there is also a picture of the old church. Re your gt grandad Christopher he married Sarah Ellen Sutcliffe in 1867, they also had two more children, John Sanderson born 1888 and Isabella born 1890. Still digging, Bryan.

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Sorry Sue, that should read John Sanderson born 1878 and Isabella born 1880.

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Bryan, Many thanks again - delighted to have Sarah Ellen's maiden name.
The dates you sent me in your first E-mail about Jonathan have raised a few questions i.e. Jonathan Cronshaw b 1824 married Jane Wigglesworth b 1825 in 1855. The person I thought was their first child, Christopher, was born in 1846! The other children I have found are Sarah - b 1861 and William - b 1864 which is rather a big gap for those days. I am wondering whether it was a second marriage for Jonathan when he married Jane Wigglesworth? It is possible, of course, that Christopher is not their child - I am confused. When I started all of this in May this year I thought Cronshaw would be easy because it was an unusual name - I now know it is not, at least in Accrington and its surrounds.

Thanks for the clarification about the New Jerusalem!

Delighted to hear you are still "digging". Sue C

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Hi again Sue, a little more for your tree.- Jonathan,s parents were; John and Ann. John born-1797; died-25.November.1865- Ann born-1802; died-11.October.1867 both buried at Burnley Rd cemetery Accrington. My advice to you now is to send for Christophers marriage certificate. They are available at FamilyRecords.gov.uk | Home the cost is 7 pounds. Bryan.

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Hi Bryan, You really are amazing - where are you getting all this info from. I know I am not very computer literate (never used the internet until May) but I ought to have been able to find more than I did. My sister has been trying as well.!

I will apply for Jonathan's marriage cert - we should get his father's, and maybe his mother's, name from that, although, that far back I am not sure they put his wife's parents on (certainly in the 1840's the wife's father was the only one on the marriage cert - not that it matters too much, only out of interest, because Cronshaw is the direct line down to Susan Ann b 1870.

You suggested I pull up Accrington Churches to get a picture of the New Jerusalem on Abbey Street - did you mean on Accyweb (because I can't find one). I did print one from another website where, what looked like an extremely impressive gothic building was visible above what it said was the Swan Pub. Was it C of E - the Cronshaws all seem to have been C of E so far.

Incidentally, I found a website which I think was called Lancashire Parish Council and the marriage registers for some of the Churches are on line up to about 1798 was the latest - not sure how complete they are - I also noticed the name Cronshaw may have become Cronkshaw/Cronkshey and Cronkshai - I read somewhere once that, particularly with christenings it often depended on the blood alcohol level of the probably illiterate proud father, the Vicar's hearing, the local accent and also probably the Vicar's alcohol level! Spelling was frequently phonetic and not consistent. I understand if you go back even further you will probably need a latin course - I imagine this is for probate documents etc. I don't think my sister and I are going to make it that far on our own present showing.

Seriously thinking of making a visit to Accrington with my husband and possibly sister, next Summer - it seems only right we should take a look at the town from where so many of our ancestors came.

I believe the house where Joseph Cronshaw Dean was born - 62 Sultan Street, Accrington, may still stand!

Many thanks yet again - my sunken spirits have risen amazingly since you responded.

Sue C

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It,s a pleasure sue, it,s just a hobby but I,ve been doing it for about 15 years. 62 Sultan St is still there, or was last time I looked. I actually lived in Plantation St. during the late 50s, early 60s so am very familiar with the area which was Plantation Mill. I,m still digging but my spade is getting a bit blunt!! Bryan.

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Delighted to hear you know the area so well - I have a picture of plantation mill cottages taken about 1905 I believe. In 1881 my family were living there. They look really awful in 1905 but I imagine that long ago people were glad to have a roof over their heads and I notice they seem to move about a lot - presumably work and the fact people didn't/couldn't afford houses that long ago.

Looked up the form for applying for marriage cert for Christopher's marriage cert. It seems to ask for more exact information than I actually have but will give it a try.

My sister and I have had phenomenal success with the other side of the family, i.e. maternal. We have even found a war hero (one GC now in the family). The regimental war diary makes sad reading. We spent four days at the archives at Kew and sadly, my maternal grandfather's records seem to be among the burnt series. However, on the off chance I contacted the Imperial War Museum and they have quite a substantial file on him with photos etc! We are visiting early January and hope they will let us copy the file. Maternal grandfather was a career serviceman in the Royal Marine Light Infantry - that was fascinating research - we now have his service record. Fortunately the census is done separately for individual naval barracks and he was in port for the 1881 census. He eventually had 11 children - sounds as though he didn't go away to sea for long periods. Research into him is ongoing as when he left the RMLI he worked as a Constable, Central Marker(t) and I suspect he was a Ranger in Epping Forest - he was a horseman anyway - but awaiting a reply from Essex to find out more about him.

Genealogy is quite addictive, although I am realising more and more that no matter how much you find out about your predecessors you will really never know "them". My husband may be developing the bug also but his research will be more difficult as it is 100% Irish but part will be in the NI part after that became a province, plus a lot of records were burnt but just this morning I discovered a lot of Irish research can actually be done from Kew! Pity we no longer live in Sussex (have only just moved up here).

One thing I thought I might do is volunteer to do is help "on line" to translate records for the free BMD project but I think that will be in the future.

Incidentally, I had a long "browse" last night after receiving your information that Jonathan's parents were John and Ann. I don't have full access as I am not a member but can get some info from the site. Found some hopefuls there but on the Mormon site (which I am told is very inaccurate!) I have found about 7 children of an Ann and John, all baptised at Abbey St New Jerusalem (except one who was "done" at the Weslyan chapel!") - its all a bit of a guess at the moment but two names recurred among the children which are a bit unusual - one was Sanderson and the other Isabella - in fact two of the children were called Isabella but I suspect one died in infancy. One even had the first name Tattersal (I thought that was something to do with horse racing). I had been checking to see if Ann's maiden name was Sanderson but that was an impossible route - hundreds of them.

Best wishes, Sue (and thanks for continuing to "dig")

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Hi Sue, here,s a map of Plantation square where I think your family lived, go to Lancashire County Council: Environment Directorate: Old Maps scan down to Accrington and Church put your pointer above the o in Accrington and click, when the map comes up, click above the cc in Accrington and the square which comes up on the enlarged map next to St Pauls is Plantation square, the same one you have the photo of. Clear as mud I know, hope it works.

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Many thanks for the map - that is quite enlightening - did I see the abbatoir close by! Am going to have a closer look at it this evening. A picture is worth a thousand words they say!

Out of the blue (and related to the maternal side of the family) I had a call from the BBC! Fame at last - I am being interviewed (telephone) at 7.30 and 8.30 tomorrow morning (the first interview is Cambridge BBC, the second interview is for Fenland BBC I think). Shame its so early - I am not a morning person and will probably babble incoherently at that time of the day. Have appointed my husband as my production assistant! and I now charge for autographs. Delusions of grandeur of course - I think its something to do with either ancestry.co or Who do you really think you are but the current programme is really to encourage the very many people (contrary to what I have read recently) who want to research their families, especially now the internet is so available, to, this Christmas, when families are together, quiz the older members of the family about ancestors etc (personally I'd give them a stiff drink - I'm sure they would spill the family "beans) then). I suppose what they are really saying is "its too late when they're dead".

Sue

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Have now had a good look at the map with my husband - what a mass of housing round the Mills. We couldn't see Plantation Mill anywhere and I was surprised to see the little square of Plantation Mill cottages looked so small because my family lived at 188 and 189 and I am sure there aren't that many houses there. Looking left at the map and going down Plantation Road you come to Abbey Street and turning left into Abbey Street, further down on the left is a church set back beside a pub which I assume is the Swan pub (or used to be) and the Church is the New Jersalem which was.

Whilst looking at this my husband mentioned Accrington Stanley which he thought, off the top of his head, had gone backrupt in the 50's and had now very recently, got back into the league ............ he likes football!

Sue

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was 1962 actually sue, if yer hubby likes football, tell him to have a browse at the Accrington Stanley section of the forum, it may be of interest to him.:)

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knew a cronshaw who worked at simon jersey about six years ago cant remember his first name will be in his late sixties now as he was retiring then i think he was married to someone called joan and had a son..cant remember where they lived....somewhere near where rist wires used to be..

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Bryan, I had delayed applying for Christopher Cronshaw's marriage certificate because on Friday a bombshell dropped from ancestry.co - a Tony Cronshaw replied to my message that had been on the message board of that website say:"from what you have said in your message, I can tell you that we are definitely related albeit distantly. I would need to look up the exact position in my records but from memory I can tell you that the Cronshaws of Plantation Mill had a very interesting line. One was a Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, another a senior officer in the British Army and a third was an Oxford Don". I have to say I thought it was a wind-up and I still think it is a mistake (how could the braincells have been so completely diluted!) and I can't imagine those particular Cronshaws had much chance of a good education or the kind that would have been required to attain these dizzy heights. I sent him the details I had and he came back with the fact that Christopher Cronshaw is the son of John and Ann Cronshaw and the brother of Jonathan Cronshaw. The answer will of course be on the marriage certificate which I will now definitely apply for today. He also said that on the 1851 census Christopher and Jonathan are shown to be children of John and Ann but he has John's dob as 24.2.1798. I don't know where his info is from on that. I am completely bewildered. Sue (I think)

Plantation Square and the Cronshaw/Dean family
 

Hi Sue, I see you mentioned earlier that you have an old photo, dated around 1905, showing the cottages. I would LOVE to see that photo. do you know how to include a photo, that would be great.

Atarah

Plantation Mill and the Cronshaw/Deans
 

Hi Sue, here is a photo showing the area of Plantation Mill, where your family probably worked.

Atarah

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Joseph Cronshaw Dean
Enlisted 19-01-1918.
Boy Air Mechanic
Age 17.5
Height 5'-7"
Chest 36"

John Robinson Dean
Stoker K36382 H.M.S. Berwick
Enlisted 4-7-1916
Height 5'-4"
Chest 37"
Lived at 37 Frederick St Accrington.

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HI Sue, isn,t it great to get info from all sorts of places. I said that John was born in 1797 but that came from his grave stone so it could have said "in his 68th year" which would have made his birth year 1798. The reason I wasn,t sure whether Christopher and Jonathan were brothers was the 22 year difference in their ages but if you have the 1851 census showing them as brothers! "What can,t speak, cant lie" I see Retlaw has some info on Joseph Cronshaw Dean, there,s another bonus for you. You,ve done very well in the last month, happy to be of some assistance. Let me know what you find on the marriage certificate. Bryan.

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A little more info Sue, Christophers children- Mary Jane married James Edward Taylor in 1896; John Sanderson married Mary Ellen Whitehead 1900; Isabella married George Albert Duckworth 1904. Alice Mabel, Josephs daughter, born 1888 married William Dean 1922. Bryan.

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Hi Atarah,

I am sorry - on checking the photo I got the date wrong - it was 1943 and it was in fact the photo you sent me right at the beginning of this amazing search. I had, in fact, no information at all about this side of the family, other than what I put in my first post/thread. I am getting so confused now with all the info I don't really know what I am doing any more! I AM NOT COMPLAINING - my sister and I are absolutely delighted.

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Hi Atarah, Many thanks for this photograph - another one for the album. This looks beautifully rural but I imagine it was in the middle of Accrington because the cottages where the family lived were and they must have been near the Mill.

Sue

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Dear Retlaw, Many thanks for that, much appreciated. I knew JCD was in the Air Force in WWII but this is obviously WWI. I don't know who Joseph Robinson Cronshaw is - perhaps another relative - there seem to be a lot appearing! I knew JCD jointed in WWI and served at RAF Manby, Lincolnshire - I was born during the War and my birth cert says he was a Corporal, Transport Driver. I applied to the Air Force for service records but they were reluctant and eventually let me have the WWII bit with his wife's name erased!!!!! When I went to the National Archives in Kew to look up the other side of the family my husband sneaked off and produced the undoctored WWII record from the archives - this is how we found out his wife (not our mother I am afraid) was called Mary Davies - he married her in 1921 and they apparently had a son in 1922. It is difficult to read the writing beside her name on these records but it seems to suggest , first, that the RAF checked his marriage certificate - I think he probably got an extra allowance for being married and 2) the marriaged appeared to have taken place is what looks like "Haslingden" but cannot be sure of that. I think he omitted to tell them that he was no longer with his wife! Many thanks again.

Sue 1

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Dear Bryan, Many thanks for this additional info - I can't believe how many names I now have - I have already put a family tree on Genes Re-united - mostly the Foster side (maternal) but am adding the Cronshaws as I go along - and now I have even more. My sister, believe it or not, in a fit of desperation is doing research at Brighton (Woodvale) Crematorium where our father was cremated - I have his death certificate and it doesn't appear to be a member of the family who arranged for the cremation. I am not sure what she will find there, or hope to find but who knows - I just hope she doesn't sneeze among the ashes! Tony Cronshaw who contactmed me via Ancestry.co tells me that John Cronshaw was married to Ann Saunderson (I note that name was repeated twice as Christian names for children) and their children were Joseph b 1822, Jonathan b 1824, Mary Ann b 1925 (died in infancy) William b 1826, Susan b 1828, Caroline b 1830/Isabella b 1830 (twins who died in infancy), John Saunderson b 1833 - d 1894, Isabella b 1835, (presumably named in memory of one of the twins who died in infancy), James b 1840, Christopher b 1845. He explained what the New Jerusalem was - I think Susan Ann Cronshaw (our grandmother) must have strayed because she married Joseph Dean at St. James!

Do you think I should still apply for Christopher's marriage cert after all of this?

I was particularly pleased to hear about the Dean marriages - if only you could find Martha.!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said to Retlaw I think she married JCD in 1921 but I have been into Lancashire BMDs and could find no marriage between those two (she was Davies), however, I believe the complete list is not yet on line. They had a son Joseph J (my sister got this from somewhere) in 1922. As you are probably beginning to realise, the story gets rather "tacky" when it gets to us sadly.

You are right about how well we have done and can't thank people enough and to think we only started the family search in May this year when I got my hands on the internet (which in itself was a bit of a learning curve and still is). My sister has actually been searching for years but I didn't know that - she actually "found" me 20 years ago!

Thank you so much for all you have given me - I do hope your spade isn't completely ruined!

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Hi Sue, Haslingden is the registration district which Accrington belongs to.

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Hi Ossy, Many thanks for the Haslingden bit - I wondered why I had vaguely heard of it before - it is actually on my father's Birth Certificate I think (my sister has it) - Accrington is not, which is why I hadn't realised Accrington was the area we should be looking for a long time. What an amazing journey this has been - I am wondering how many live relatives will appear - I am not used to having relatives!!!!!!!! The reason I was born in Lincolnshire (Louth) is because of the War and because he was in the RAF at Manby.

Best wishes, Sue

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Dear Ossie, The story continues and what a story - when it is finished I will send you the end result. However, this one may be right up your street - on 22.12.1873 William Henry Cronshaw was born (don't know if he was a relative but must be connected surely) and he played football for Accrington Stanley. He played inside right in the very first matches and acted as Secretary to the Club - he was a member of the first Committee around 1894. Does any of this ring a bell. He also played for Stanley Villa.

Sue

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Sue;
82 Sultan St is very much still with us; it's a couple of doors up from where I live !

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Hi Sue, nice to know your still on the trail. I did a little research on my own tree over christmas. I,m doing my mothers side, she was a Desoer, imagine my surprise when I found one living at Plantation Square in the late 1800, I,m sure they must have know your ancestors at that time, interesting eh. I do have Cronshaws on my tree, my sister was married to one but they came from Great Harwood I think. Keep in touch, Bryan.

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Lindsey,

It is actually 62 - I understand that may still be there as well.

Sue

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Sorry, 62 is still here too !

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Thanks Lindsey, What does it look like - must be very old if my father was born in it in 1900. Am coming to Accrington when the weather warms up! so will see it then.

Sue

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Hi Bryan, There were also some Cronshaws living in Plantation Square in 1881 - there was a Mary Cronshaw and an Alice Ann Cronshaw. On the LDS site I had an interesting journey through Accrington yesterday! I logged on to the Plantation Mill Cottages Cronshaws that I knew about and where it says "next household" I just kept going and went from street to street - lots of Cronshaws but didn't come across your mothers name - it can't be a complete copy of the census because Sultan Street is not on it. It was very interesting though and you could see the more "well heeled" areas from those days by head of the family's occupation. Manchester Road seemed one of the most salubrious whilst Cronkshaw Alley seemed the opposite!

I also found by accident on Lancashire Parish Clerk's Project website something interesting which included a Cronshaw. They have some papers found in the basement of a company called Cemtex (or similar) - they were found I think when the building was being demolished. Because they have not yet been put on the formal records they have just listed temporarily what is on them. I actually found a Dean married to a Cronshaw from Accrington way back - this is a further connection between the Deans and Cronshaws if they are the same line. Because Blackburn and Accrington are close it might be worth looking to see if there is anything on there for you. I have printed it, can't find it at the mo (terrible accumulation of paperwork from all of this) but couldn't scan it to you as scanner is (I hope temporarily) kaput. My Cronshaws by the way are descended from Cronkshaw of Rochdale, John. I imagine all the Cronshaws are descended from here (he was 1645 if I remember correctly). There may also be a connection (distant I hope) with the Pendle Witches!!!!!!!!! This has of course been nothing less than my husband suspected. There seems to be an educated side to the family and a non-educated side - you can guess which side I came from!

Sue

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interesting name, have P.M.d ya about it.:)

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Did you mean you had PM's me or Ossie - I don't have a PM.

Sue

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Hi Sue, it's just a fairly non descript terrace to be honest. The majority of the streets in the Peel Park area look pretty much identical, if it's like mine ( and I would bet it is !) it will have a dining room ,sitting room, extension kitchen, pokey bathroom and 2 bedrooms, one of which will be too big and the other too small !

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Many thanks Lindsey. Most of our houses are like that I suspect.

Sue

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Bryan, You said you were doing some of your own family research over Christmas - if it included your wife's Cronshaw's I have noticed that someone on the website Curious Fox is looking for Cronshaws of Gt. Harwood. I would be delighted if this was helpful to you.

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Actually Sue it,s my sister who married a Cronshaw and she,s going to give me some info to check for her, I,ll get back to you.

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Hi Ossie, Can't remember if I mentioned I had found out that the first club secretary for Accrington Stanley was a Cronshaw (Harry I believe - he's not my branch of Cronshaws sadly). He also played for them - pre 1900 I believe. There may be a photo of him on the AS website.
I'm still struggling with my elusive lot - the Deans - I swear they were on the run and didn't want to be found - it would have been nice to find our half brother who could still just be alive - bet if he is, the way things have been going, he will be senile! The Cronshaws are pretty much complete. By the way, I had contact with Councillor Cronshaw - I believe her line of Cronshaws is the one that contains Woof (correct spelling) Cronshaw - she is also researching her Cronshaws - they are the Burnley lot I think. I think your Cronshaws, if they are the leaning toward Manchester ones, are the brainy ones - couldn't they have shared just a few cells. There was a C of E Canon to St. Pauls, and Wing Commander etc. If you want a copy of what I have, let me know and I will PM it - cant scan as scanner kaput as usual! Is Barnsley near you - I have heard mutterings about Portsmouth and Barnsley beating Chelsea and WBA. My husband was in a state of shock when he heard (we had been overseas for a month).Best wishes. Sue

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Hi Sue,
Are you still there?? You sent me a message via Tribal Pages a few days ago. The email address you left is being returned 'undeliverable', so I have been unable to reply.

Your grandmother, Susan Ann Cronshaw, was my great aunt. Her sister Isobella was my grandmother, married to George Duckworth.

My email address is j.duckworth at yahoo.com. Grateful if you could email me.

Thanks

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I'm new to the forum and doing a bit of family history into the Cronshaw side of my family

Christopher & Sarah Ellen were my Great Grandparents. Mary Jane Cronshaw was my Grandmother and married James Edward Taylor. they settled in Heywood Lancs.

Christopher, Sarah Ellen, Sarah Elizabeth are buried in Accrington Cemetery Grave No AE301 along with Mary Janes daughter, Lizzie Cronshaw Taylor, who died young from appedicitis.

Sarah Elizabeth drowned aged 23, March 3rd 1897 in Plantation Mills Top Lodge was found 4th March, Inquest 5th March, buried 6th March.

I'm still digging

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Just read ths thread again.
There were three Desoer's joind the colours in WW1.
Edward Pte. 2216. R.F.A. awarded M.M. lived at 7 Westwood St,
George Desoer. Dvr. 2217. R.F.A. 9 Plantation Mill Square.
James Desoer. Dvr. W/4044. R.F.A. 0 Plantation Mill Square.
In some of the earlier posts Sue mentions Plantation Mill Cottage, that was by the old mill and was not in Plantation Mill Square.
Retlaw.

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used to know a Tony Desour, liked a drink or 2, died years ago, was probably related to those i imagine, as not a popular name.

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He was related Cash and we used to hang out as kids but didn,t know we were related. He,s buried up Dill Hall. Thanks for the info Retlaw.

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Hi biwatereng, do you want some info on your tree or do you prefer to do it yourself? A quick check revealed you have a Cronshaw/Dean marriage on your tree. Bryan.

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if that was mid 60s, our paths have probably crossed at some point.:D

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Any information would be useful, my brother in Canada started this & I've started to get involved. My Brother has lists of names but can't expand them into other descendants. My interest is with the social aspect of how my relatives lived their lives

Re: Cronshaw/Dean - Picture of Brocklehouse, nr Plantation Mill 1896
 

Hi All

I have been asked to put this picture on to see if anyone either recognises the picture or knows anything about the artist.

It was painted in 1896 by T Duckworth and was recently found by a relative when clearing a recently deceased parents house.

I wonder if this chap painted any other pictures or is known in any way locally as an artist. Really want to know if he is a member of the family - there certainly was a Duckworth but not a T Duckworth.

Would love to know more. Sue

Picture to follow I hope!

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Picture I hope:

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Trying again - Sue (sorry about this)

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Heres a photograph of Brocklehurst Cottage.
History of Accrington names it as Brock Hole Hurst.
Meaning the Badger Hole in the Wood.

Retlaw

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David Desore

1868 - 1921

Events: Residence
Rebecca Holland Skinner

1870 -


Levi Desore

1890 - 1949

Events: Residence
Edward Desore

1892 - 1956

Events: Residence
Ellen Desore

1895 -

Events: Residence
Annie Desore

1899 - 1974

Events: Residence
Ivy Desore

1903 -

Events: Residence
Noel D Desore

1907 - 1982

Events: Residence
George Desore

1893 -

Events: Residence
James T Desore

1888 -

Events: Residence
all living in 74 westwood street accy Noel married my great aunt Ellen/Nelly Flynn...."Fishy" Flynns niece. noel Died down south in Hertfordshire I believe, I dont know what happened to Ellen .

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Hi Accypete it,s actually spelled Desoer and they are all on my family tree. If you would like more info drop me a line.

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Just been re-reading this thread, and the following quote
christened 9-May-1824 at New Jerusalem Abbey St Accrington.

The New Jerusalem Church, Abbey St, Accrington, aka (Swedenborgs) wasn't built until 1848, before that there was a small building about 20 ft long used as a school. There was a small Chapel in Chapel St, Accrington, they were Calvanists.

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Ossy kid ,sorry you are correct Deoer not Desore I think I was either a bit tipsey at the time of posting or I copied and pasted from somewhere complete with spelling mistake.
I have some information from Bryan in Canada who has done quite a bit of research on the Desoers he seems to be the one to get information from should you want any.
I would like any information that you may have regards Noel Desore and his wife and if you have it a phohto of my great aunt/wedding.
The older gentleman in my profile pic is her brother Im one of the babies along with my mother and two uncles.

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Hi accypete, this is Bryan in Canada. I've got a lot further with the Desoers now but tomorrow I,m off to Palm Springs for a month but will get back to you in April, Bryan.

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Are You Back Yet Brian ?
:-)

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Yes, back now but been laid up with kidney stones for the past month. Finally starting to feel like O.K. again. Wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy, anyway, fire away with your Desoer questions Pete.

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Hi Ossy Kid
Hope Palms Springs was good and the kidney stones have cleared up. I would apprieciate any information on Noel and Ellen Desoer/Flynn. I believe they married at Choben ( I have a copy of the marriage certificate if you want a copy) Any photos of them , a wedding photo would be great if you have one. did Ellen and Noel divioce/split ? Our family lost contact with Ellen/Nelly years ago she was the oldest child in her family her brothers being John Patrick and Charles Flynn. Her morther was Bridget Flynn nee GUINANE father Charles.If you have any information on the Guinanes that would be great too. I think the family got the salvation army to track Ellen down in the 60s but she didnt want the family to know anything other than she was OK.
I think some of your family ended up living up Coniston Avenue in the 80's...? I dont think they were Desoers though.

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Hi Accypete, yes back and kicking thanks. Sorry can,t help you with Ellen and Noel other than Noel died in Sept 1982 in Hertfordshire. They were married at St Annes Cobham Rd Acc 29-Dec. 1907. As for her parents, Bridget was born 1 Dec. 1886 in Summerhill Nenagh County, Ireland and she married Charles Flynn at Sacred Heart Jan.9 -1907. HER parents were Patrick Guinane B-1855 Ireland, D-1911 in Acc and Bridget Ryan B-1845 in Tipperary D-5 Jan.1926 Acc. My sister lived on Coniston in the 80s. I have some info on Ellens brothers and family if you like, did they not keep in touch with Ellen?

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Sorry that should be married 29 Dec.1928 not 1907.

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Hi Ossy kid I have that information already thanks anyway. Did Noel and Ellen sepperate or did they both move down south I heard south mimms mentioned by someone. do you know if Ellen died down there as well?

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Here,s some info I came across, don,t know if it,s the right person but the time frame fits.
a Noel Desoer married Catherine McGuffog Sept. 1942 in Watford Herts. As he died in Watford I think it,s a probability, so it appears, if this is correct, that they were divorced? Sorry can,t find a death for Ellen.

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Hi Pete, when did you live on Napier St? I lived on the corner of Napier/Nelson in the 50s.

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No Brian my G Grandad lived there ,he joined the pals that was the address he gave when he joined. He and the family moved around that area quite a bit in a short period of time he lived in about 4 or five streets I think the last street was Augusta......I think he was dodging the rent man ;-)

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Have just read your message with interest. My father was a John Woof Cronshaw, from Blackburn, and I believe his father to be a James Woof Cronshaw.I would love to be able to trace some descendants, or perhaps supply someone a few details?
Thank You,
Jeremy Hugh Cronshaw

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I think it was either my Grandfather, a James Woof Cronshaw, or his father, who built the Police Station at Great Harwood. My father was a John Woof Cronshaw.

Thanks,

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Hi Ossy Kid
Do you know if they had any children?
This sounds like it could be correct as I have other information that I cant /wont post here ties in the time line of that information just need to confirm it
Regards
Pete

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Accrington Stanley, I thought, were wound -up in 1962.

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Resigned from the football league in March, 1962, went into liquidation in December, 1963, carried on as an amateur team, folded completely in Jan, 1966, reformed in Oct, 1968, started playing again in Aug, 1970, returned to the football league in May, 2006.

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Bryan did you know Jesse and Mary kenyon who lived in Plantation Square ?

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No sorry, name doesn't ring a bell.

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When playing as amateurs after 63, did they use the Stanley name? If not, when did the name re-start?

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I cant remember where but I saw some one on here looking for Dobbs ancestors I dont know if you can help them or your sister ?

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Yes Bob, they used the Stanley name.