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sm_counsell 08-06-2009 14:31

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Anyone remember Accy Cavern when soon to be famous groups used to perform?
What happened to my friends, Jimmy Lightbown, Tony Bikerstaff and Paul Mackey?
Remember the Wheel in Manchester?
So many memories and questions .
Who'll take pity on an expat so far away from the best part of Lancashire!

cashman 08-06-2009 15:12

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 719631)
Anyone remember Accy Cavern when soon to be famous groups used to perform?
What happened to my friends, Jimmy Lightbown, Tony Bikerstaff and Paul Mackey?
Remember the Wheel in Manchester?
So many memories and questions .
Who'll take pity on an expat so far away from the best part of Lancashire!

saw Long John Baldry there back in the day, was a great venue, remember the Twisted Wheel, n Heavan N Hell in manchester very slightly due to illegal substances.:D can vaguley remember Jimmy Lightbown but thats it soz.

beechy 08-06-2009 17:08

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remember the cavern, and the twisted wheel in manc.
the steam packet played the cavern. must have been the same gig i
also saw long john baldry
cant remember any local names given above,but then age
catches up on us all,
illegal substanses not counted
:theband: :theband:

beechy 08-06-2009 17:10

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i do remember some councells that lived in accy
i think quite close to the cavern,

joaner3 08-06-2009 17:47

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I remember the Cavern, but don't remember anyone famous. Also went to the Wheel in Manchester.

cashman 08-06-2009 19:13

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Originally Posted by beechy (Post 719668)
i do remember some councells that lived in accy
i think quite close to the cavern,

twas counsells beechy knew three of em, think it was school street area they lived.;)

MITZY 08-06-2009 20:03

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I think I remember Tony Bickerstaff did he have a brother called David? If it is who I am thinking of he is living in Great Harwood.

BERNADETTE 08-06-2009 20:25

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Where was the Cavern? Never heard of it before:confused:

Bernard Dawson 08-06-2009 20:29

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 719637)
saw Long John Baldry there back in the day, was a great venue, remember the Twisted Wheel, n Heavan N Hell in manchester very slightly due to illegal substances.:D can vaguley remember Jimmy Lightbown but thats it soz.

I remember the Cavern, also remember seeing Long John Baldry there Cashy.

You and me would seem to have spent part of our misspent youths in the same places.

steeljack 08-06-2009 20:30

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Originally Posted by MITZY (Post 719705)
I think I remember Tony Bickerstaff did he have a brother called David? If it is who I am thinking of he is living in Great Harwood.

yep, he married a Arrod girl Pauline Starkie (as was) :D

katex 08-06-2009 21:41

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 719708)
Where was the Cavern? Never heard of it before:confused:

Yeh, come on guys .. I haven't a clue either. :p Thought I had visited all the dives in Accy.

cashman 08-06-2009 21:52

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 719729)
Yeh, come on guys .. I haven't a clue either. :p Thought I had visited all the dives in Accy.

twas on Castle Street, just below where the tax office is/was.:) was too classy fer you kate. lol

wadey 08-06-2009 21:52

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Twisted Wheel Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
may be worth a read

cashman 08-06-2009 21:57

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Twisted Wheel - Manchester UK -Northern Soul try this.:)

katex 08-06-2009 22:07

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 719735)
twas on Castle Street, just below where the tax office is/was.:) was too classy fer you kate. lol

Hey ... I used to go to Morts !! ... LOL.
Don't remember it at all ... must have opened after I got married in '64 .. didn't get out much after that .... :(

Bernard Dawson 08-06-2009 23:06

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 719744)
Hey ... I used to go to Morts !! ... LOL.
Don't remember it at all ... must have opened after I got married in '64 .. didn't get out much after that .... :(

Can't remember what year it opened, but I think it would be after 64. I'm surprised you don't remember it.

As Cashy says it was just below where the tax office is now.

cashman 09-06-2009 08:16

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 719744)
Hey ... I used to go to Morts !! ... LOL.
Don't remember it at all ... must have opened after I got married in '64 .. didn't get out much after that .... :(

so did i, thats how i can compare.:D

jaysay 09-06-2009 09:55

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 719744)
Hey ... I used to go to Morts !! ... LOL.
Don't remember it at all ... must have opened after I got married in '64 .. didn't get out much after that .... :(

Ah tied to the kitchen sink after 64 were ya kate:D

sm_counsell 09-06-2009 19:30

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Thanks everyone,
Yes Dave Bickerstaff was Tony's twin although there was rather a complicated story about them being divided when very young (in fact he was also known as Tony Palmer)
Mr. Cashman!!
my cousin Alan Gilmartin in Tasmania tells me that you know a lot more than you are letting on. In fact he told me to contact Accy Web because you are a sort of expert on the period I'm talking about.
I would just like to know what happened to Tony and of course JImmy Lightbown (first love of my life!!)
I'm referring to the years 1965/66/67

sm_counsell 09-06-2009 19:34

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Sorry forgot to mention, I'm nothing to do with the Counsells in Accrington.
My dad came from Clayton but we lived in Oswaldtwistle and most of my relatives in Accy and Clayton are called Gilmartin.
I went to Paddock House if that could possibly interest anyone

steeljack 09-06-2009 20:28

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 719631)
Anyone remember Accy Cavern when soon to be famous groups used to perform?
What happened to my friends, Jimmy Lightbown, Tony Bikerstaff and Paul Mackey?
Remember the Wheel in Manchester?
So many memories and questions .
Who'll take pity on an expat so far away from the best part of Lancashire!

check out this thread , it will probably revive one or two memories :D :D

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...deck-5355.html

cashman 09-06-2009 20:48

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 720092)
Sorry forgot to mention, I'm nothing to do with the Counsells in Accrington.
My dad came from Clayton but we lived in Oswaldtwistle and most of my relatives in Accy and Clayton are called Gilmartin.
I went to Paddock House if that could possibly interest anyone

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...se-old-friends may be of some interest also.:)

Alan Gilmartin 15-06-2009 09:55

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Kiki Dee was on with Long John Baldry, remember cause it was sumertime and so bloody hot and steamy in there, everybody kept going outside to get some cool air, and a sly drink, The Cavern didnt last long but it was a great place. Remember the cellar part of it, used for allkinds of illicit goings on. There was a guy who used to sing ballads there, Twilight time, You'll never walk alone, he was fanfastic but cant remember his name.

bicky 12-07-2009 18:23

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Yes i remember the cavern very well and spent many great nights down the wheel. I am Dave Bickerstaff( bicky) my twin brother is called Tony Palmer, perhaps that is where you got Tony Bikerstaff from. We used to mate round with Jimmy Lightbown, Paul mackie, Tom Robinson etc. I remember seeing The Steam Packet, the band consisted of Rod Stewart, Long John Baldry, Brian Auger and Julie Dricoll. In fact i managed to find a c d of theirs not long ago it brought back some good memories.

Wynonie Harris 12-07-2009 19:25

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Missed out on going to the Cavern, a source of eternal regret. I would've loved to have seen the Steampacket...my sort of music - R&B (proper R&B, that is, not the sort of plastic music they call R&B now).

As for the Wheel, well worth picking up a copy of "Central 1179 - the Story of Manchester's Twisted Wheel" by Phil Scott and Keith Rylatt. A great read!

Alan Gilmartin 13-07-2009 05:33

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So Bicky, what happened to Jimmy Lightbown,

martin01 02-04-2010 14:12

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jonny kidd and the pirates played ther often

Alan Gilmartin 04-04-2010 09:28

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I think you might be thinking about the Vic in Clayton Martin, I think Johnny might have died by the time the Cavern opened,

cashman 04-04-2010 09:39

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Originally Posted by Alan Gilmartin (Post 803195)
I think you might be thinking about the Vic in Clayton Martin, I think Johnny might have died by the time the Cavern opened,

Johnny kidd appeared at the vic, he died in 66, never at cavern to best of my knowledge.:)

martin01 05-04-2010 17:56

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Al G says it was the 'Vic'???
I don't know - our vivien used to go there
If it was the Cavern could it have been near the viaduct (close to the Princess cinema) circa 62ish? on accrington road? downsteam from the hospital?
Martin

Stumped 05-04-2010 18:01

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 719735)
twas on Castle Street, just below where the tax office is/was.:) was too classy fer you kate. lol

Not far from 'The Australian', another nefarious hostelry of old Accrington and now long gone.

cashman 05-04-2010 18:20

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 803740)
Not far from 'The Australian', another nefarious hostelry of old Accrington and now long gone.

Yep but the last landladys still batting.;) or was when i saw her a couple of yrs ago.:)

Stumped 05-04-2010 18:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 803747)
Yep but the last landladys still batting.;) or was when i saw her a couple of yrs ago.:)

Believe there are photographs of both these establishments in one or more of Bob Dobson's publications!

Is it true that bare knuckle fist fights were staged there from time to time, or is it just rumour?

cashman 05-04-2010 18:44

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 803754)
Believe there are photographs of both these establishments in one or more of Bob Dobson's publications!

Is it true that bare knuckle fist fights were staged there from time to time, or is it just rumour?

If there was,was before my time, used to play football on broadway carpark wi the son after school n go back yon after first went in supping in 62.:D

Alan Gilmartin 06-04-2010 06:36

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Tha must av bin still at skoo Cashy, tha must ev sterted early mate. Ah think a wer 15 wen I ed mi ferst pint.

cashman 06-04-2010 07:45

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Originally Posted by Alan Gilmartin (Post 803862)
Tha must av bin still at skoo Cashy, tha must ev sterted early mate. Ah think a wer 15 wen I ed mi ferst pint.

i was al.:D

jaysay 06-04-2010 10:06

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 803203)
Johnny kidd appeared at the vic, he died in 66, never at cavern to best of my knowledge.:)

I can remember him at the Vic, but like you cashy can't ever remember him at the Cavern,

jaysay 06-04-2010 10:08

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Originally Posted by Alan Gilmartin (Post 803862)
Tha must av bin still at skoo Cashy, tha must ev sterted early mate. Ah think a wer 15 wen I ed mi ferst pint.

Bloody Hell Alan you were a late starter weren't you mate:D:D

Alan Gilmartin 07-04-2010 06:25

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Yea that was first real pint in a pub, not talking about up the backs, and on cut bank an all that. probably 13 or 14 then.

davyro 14-06-2015 00:17

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I remember the Accrington Cavern I played there with a new band from Blackburn called Freewheelin' after a Bob Dylan Album. With me Dave Robinson John Shepherd Dave Mc Garry and Ronnie Riley. We came on first, aFollowed by a great band Wynder K Frog who then had an old school pal from Blackburn and brilliant drummer Ian Cooper. The final band that night was Alex Corners Blues Incorporated. A really great night from what I remember.

davyro 14-06-2015 00:21

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I had a friend of mine I got to know when I lived in London. Tom Robinson from Accrington He was singing with a R&B soul band around London Pubs and clubs. He may well still be at it. He had a great soul voice.

sm_counsell 19-06-2015 14:12

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I had a friend of mine I got to know when I lived in London. Tom Robinson from Accrington He was singing with a R&B soul band around London Pubs and clubs. He may well still be at it. He had a great soul voice.

Hi davyro
I knew Tom very well but the last time I saw him was when Ben E King was in Liverpool in the late sixties.
I have just found this pic, do you think it could be him?

Alan Gilmartin 20-06-2015 08:00

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Any more pics Susan, and Davyro is that David Robinson, Susan can you put names to the guys in the photo,

sm_counsell 21-06-2015 14:29

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I got the pic from Google. If you google: Tom Robinson band you'll find loads on him, and if you click on images you will see him as he is now ( quite a bit older)

Wynonie Harris 21-06-2015 19:27

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Sorry to disappoint you, folks, but that's a completely different Tom Robinson Band, who were big in the late 70's with "2 4 6 8 Motorway".

Wynonie Harris 21-06-2015 19:55

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Tom was in the Francis T. Construction shown here - top notch Soul/R&B band back in the day. I do believe Tom is the tall one right at the back. francis t construction - Accrington Photo Gallery

mikeangel 10-07-2015 11:31

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Hiya all
I came by this Accrington Web,by accident ..I so the programme on tv about Ginger Baker. which made me remmember when he was with the Graham Bond Organization and they played at the cavern .
And I was the DJ ! the first DJ! Happy days, I got the job because I had a big record collection and the owner Tom (from the liverpool area) asked if I would like to bring along some records ,I used 2 decks and a table .The stage was really small and the back changing room was even smaller.I lived and worked in blackburn back then,(now in southport) other bands I rememmber are the steampacket with long john baldry and Rod stewart ( they had a real bustup that night)..
I rememmber Jimmy lightbown .he was always the best dressed guy and wore a long leather coat.shirt and tie..I think he lost a leg in some crash.The last time I saw him was a t a trade show , hes business was selling plastic flowers.and he still looked the part.!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO
some time later (cant remmember ) I started Dj-ing at a club called the Disco, it was over a shoe shop on possibly abbey street, the owner was a guy called ? and his girl friend Gale .now she has a jewellery shop in blackburn, I know this because I have a jewellry shop.

Sooooooooooo
Some time later,I opened a shop called Disc and Tape exchange ,at Number 1 little blackburn road
The rest is history.

Thanks for reading this,
I hope it helps ..

mike levine

cashman 10-07-2015 15:41

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Disc @ Tape was a good shop on top corner of little Blackburn Rd. used to pop in occasionally.:)

DtheP47 10-07-2015 16:27

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1144447)
Disc @ Tape was a good shop on top corner of little Blackburn Rd. used to pop in occasionally.:)

As did I Mr C :D
Although the hairdressers shop above it had a stronger attraction with Connie Downes and Carol Duckett working up there, you could always get a brew. :D
Mog will remember I bet.

cashman 10-07-2015 17:41

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1144448)
As did I Mr C :D
Although the hairdressers shop above it had a stronger attraction with Connie Downes and Carol Duckett working up there, you could always get a brew. :D
Mog will remember I bet.

Carol was brought up on same street as me, we were in same class at St Johns.:)

Wynonie Harris 10-07-2015 21:21

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Originally Posted by mikeangel (Post 1144426)
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO
some time later (cant remmember ) I started Dj-ing at a club called the Disco, it was over a shoe shop on possibly abbey street, the owner was a guy called ? and his girl friend Gale .now she has a jewellery shop in blackburn, I know this because I have a jewellry shop.

Sooooooooooo
Some time later,I opened a shop called Disc and Tape exchange ,at Number 1 little blackburn road
The rest is history.

Thanks for reading this,
I hope it helps ..

mike levine

Did you share the DJ-ing duties at the Disco with Big Mick Ward, Accy Corporation bus driver by day? There were certainly some great sounds spun on the decks at that little club.

Remember the Disc & Tape, picked up quite a few good records there including a number of recommendations from you. Also recall bumping into you at various record fairs back in the day. Hope you're keeping well.

mikeangel 11-07-2015 11:41

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Thanks Wynonie !
I think Mick Ward did mobile d-j ing,he bought his records from the shop, in between local bus driving then he started to drive a coach and travel away ..I think he started to have fits and had to give up driving ,,which he loved!
Its funny ,I worked at The cavern and The disco and lived at home in blackburn then when I had the shop I lived in Padiham then Simonstone .
Then when I got divorced I lived in Baxenden,,
Until moving to Ainsdale after remarrying..
Me and my son have great memories of the shop.Its even on face book.HAHA
xx

Mog 12-07-2015 07:04

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1144448)
As did I Mr C :D
Although the hairdressers shop above it had a stronger attraction with Connie Downes and Carol Duckett working up there, you could always get a brew. :D
Mog will remember I bet.

I certainly do Dave. 2 very pretty young ladies. Bob Burnside and myself spent a little time with them.

MaBaker 13-07-2015 14:59

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I remember Disco - used to go there occasionally - also used used to go into the shop to buy discs - I also remember Connie Downes - she is a relative but have not seen her for ages!! Wow memories!!

Alan Gilmartin 14-07-2015 08:21

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So where is Jimmy Lightbown now.


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