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White Smoke And The Bells Of St Peter Ringing = New Pope


JOSEPH RATZINGER is the new pope ...he will be known as POPE BENEDICT XVI

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1290906.jpghttp://www.sky.com/x/x.gifhttp://www.sky.com/x/x.gif Pope Benedict XVI makes first appearance at Vatican balcony

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...331901,00.html

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Blimey.... that was quick. I thought they would draw it out for another few days just so they could stay in the luxurious surroundings........aaah, but then they are religious men.

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They were only blowing black smoke earlier.

That was quick!

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suspect vorlons got the job lol

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German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has been elected Pope and is to be known as Pope Benedict XVI

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The new pope is 78.
We might as well start preparing for the next pope now.
Why don't they choose someone a little younger, like 50.

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Especially as the previous one considered retiring at age 80!

I take it then that age is not a consideration?!

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the last pope was only in his late 50,s when elected ,,maybe they thought he had been in too long or something ......

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I was under the impression that you had to be a cardinal to be elected. With this being a senior position in the church, it would explain the advancing years of the candidates. Also, I think that the maximum age is 80 for election. So if you're over 80 it's tough. How ageist is that....... :-)

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a 78 year old german as pope lol

well i suppose if i had to choose a german it wold be one that wasnt going to be around too long ;)

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Apparently not. I read somewhere that, theoretically, any ordained catholic can be elected as Pope. It is, however, invariably a Cardinal.
The college of Cardinals elects the new Pope, only those aged 80yrs or under being eligible to vote.

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I bet he speaks highly of you!

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I was wondering whether we would get a black pope.

Does anyone know anything about this - I was speaking to a Polish chap a few weeks ago who mentioned that there was some prophesy about a black pope and the end of the world.

Has anyone else heard of this?

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Vorlon: do a quick google on St. Malachy for the prophecies.

Yerself: In theory any unmarried catholic male can be elected as Pope. but in practice the selection is usually made from among the college of Cardinals.

Traditionally it is usual to follow a long pontificate with one that is expected to be short. The new pope is the oldest to be elected for over a century.

Interestingly, both the new Pope and his brother were members of that well known catholic boy's society the Hitler Youth.

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Is it not the case that most young Germans where in the Hitler Youth? Sixty years after the event is it relevant. I was of the opinion that most of those in the Vatican give subtle assistance to the Nazis between the mid thirties and 1943…………….

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You're quite right A-b. I stand corrected, he does not have to be ordained. I was thinking of putting a fiver on Tealeaf.

You're being a bit unfair on our new Pontiff A-b. You have omitted to mention that membership was compulsory at the time.

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Hmmm, on reflection, maybe I am. To set the record straight-ish I will append the following:

"Cardinal Ratzinger was born in Bavaria, the son of an anti-Nazi police officer. Although forced to join Hitler Youth, he was not an enthusiastic member and after a posting to Hungary during his service in the anti-aircraft corps he deserted, risking punisment by death. He was captured by the Allies, released and entered seminary with his brother George who told a German newspaper earlier this month that he 'has not got a chance'."
(Ruth Gledhill: The Times.)

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He may well be a sweet old man but according to reports he is a hard-line traditionalist conservative who is unlikely to make any changes. It doesn't look like you'll be seeing Mrs. Jones, the parish priest, for a few decades yet.

I don't doubt him at all but have you noticed that ALL Germans alive now, who lived through the war, were anti-Nazis? Makes you wonder how Hitler ever got elected. ;)

POPE BENEDICT XVI: PROFILE


http://www.bbc.co.uk/furniture/tiny.gifhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/furniture/tiny.gifThe new Pope has been chosen from what could be termed the traditional side of the Catholic Church. To some, he heralds intellectual salvation during a time of confusion and compromise. To others, his record as Pope John Paul II's prefect of doctrine showed the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to be an intimidating "Enforcer", punishing liberal thinkers, and keeping the Church in the Middle Ages.

Against dissent

While many theologians strive for a Catholic Church that is more open and in touch with the world around it, the new Pope's mission has in the past seemed to entailing stamping out dissent, and curbing the "wild excesses" of this more tolerant era.

As prefect of doctrine, Pope Benedict wielded the tools of his office with steely efficiency. By influencing diocese budgets, bishops' transfers and even excommunications, what an opponent called "symbolic violence", the then Cardinal clamped down on the more radical contingent of the Church.

He has even claimed the prime position of the Church of Rome over other Christian Churches. Although he has apologised for this, he has never been so contrite about excluding liberation theologians, more progressive priests or those in favour of the ordination of women.

Charming

Personally charming, quick-witted and fluent in four languages, the new Pope is a convincing orator. Jesuit Father Thomas Reese calls him "a delightful dialogue partner", but adds that most of the Pope's fellow clergy would be too worried about the prospect of excommunication to enjoy talking to him.

When Pope Benedict served the Second Vatican Council for three years from 1962, he supported reform. His own background, however, perhaps sheds light on his need for a Church that stands firm against the currents of change and political shifts.

Schooled in the Nazis' power of rhetoric during his childhood in Bavaria, the Pope later deserted the German Army during World War II, only to be sent to a POW camp when the Allies reached his hometown.

Later, as an eminent theologian lecturing at Germany's premier faculties, he was horrified by the Marxist ideologies that punctuated campus small talk in the late 1960s.

"Papal fundamentalism"

Pope Benedict has consistently pursued doctrine that can endure, independent of cultural or social trends. He argues that only with a completely separate values system can the Church offer individual freedom. His critics call this "papal fundamentalism", but the Pope is unflappable in his personal theology.

He has claimed that "everything falls apart without truth". It is now his role to unite the Catholic Church under his strong, principled vision.

Caroline Frost

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I bet there are a lot of people who now know all about the Pope making process courtesy of Dan Brown than who learnt through the normal educational routes.

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The author of the Da Vinci code and Angels and Demons. Angels and Demons is set in the Vatican and is all about the Pope making process and a plot to corrupt the process.

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visit cologne and around that area you'll meet a few nazis still alive.mind you saying that i will take it at face value that benedicts an ok guy.

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Judging by his past history he will not be a liberal Pope.

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the first pope had a past history,but he seems to have gone down as an ok guy

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I've just finished reading Digital Fortress by the same guy. For anyone who is already remotely paranoid about privacy and governments snooping on us, this is not the book to read. If what he says is true, every email is routed through a massive computer which reads emails for subversive text, it even checks for encrypted ones and for coded ones. It then cracks the code and reads the email anyway.

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Sad fact - conspiracy theory sells books - so does dismal prophecy. I bet Nostradamus made quite a bit in his time out of his prophetic talents. (Yes, I am an old cynic, and proud of it). The Catholic Church has been accused of conspiracy on various points over several hundred years, as has the Jewish community (anyone read that superb bit of black propaganda - The Protocols of Zion?). It appeals to the paranoid lurking inside us all.

As for every e-mail being scanned, encryption broken, read, etc ... any idea how much computing power you would require? - and for what? - to find out that Fred's auntie has had her varicose veins done? Sorry, can't believe that one.

Anyone over 30 should have a past - it's just unfortunate that the new Pope grew up in a repressive regime where you either conformed or were at risk. And if you want Nazis under the bed, you don't have far to look - try the National Front.