Councillor Jones is Famous!!!!!
 

Yes, he is - he has gone and put himself and Hyndburn on the map, big time!!!


Have a look at this website, everybody:


http://www.topleftybaiters.com/

and search the part "most appalling lefties in Britain"......it appears that Graham is 16th on the list, one behind Venessa Redgrave and only four places behind the Prime Minister himself!


wow!!!!


:) :) :) :)

Thanks for the vote Tealeaf. I should get rakes from other BNP members on AccyWeb !!! :) [There's even a BNP site where you can have my house firebombed with my kids in if you want to put my name on there as well]

Still, why vote against Lefties, its boring. You BNP lot, you'll be able to shoot them soon with the rifle you'll be obliged to keep over the mantlepiece according to the BNP manifesto. Much more fun for the hard to please!

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Talking to one of your golfing partners at work today Graham it seems you are of the opinion that this site is an extreme right wing website where we constantly post about the BNP and Nazis.
Believe it or not immigration is a genuine concern to a lot of people and for you to dismiss this as extremism is not the way forward. As you have found out with the two Asian Tory councillors it is easy for someone to be branded a racist.
Like yourself I class myself as a hardworking family man who wants the best for myself and my family and just because on this topic I do not hold the same view as yourself does not make me a Nazi.
In another thread you asked people who have voted Labour in the past to question whether they should be doing that as we do not seem to hold the same values as the party, well I have and this time I won't be voting Labour in the General Election in fact I may not vote at all, I have yet to decide but until I think Labour are making some headway on this topic I will become a floating voter, as I think you do a good job as my Peel ward councillor I don't think my decision on who I vote for will be an issue, yet.

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I am pretty sure some of our older members who remember what Nazis really were, not these watered down shirt lifters at the BNP, would be upset over your comments. Flying a St Georges flag, calling someone a p*ki, not wanting to live on the same street as muslims or even wanting to go hunting does not make anyone a Nazi. Go to Glasgow and try and get a job in a catholic firm when your a protestant or vice versa does that make them Nazi? because some of your arguments do not hold water don't class everyone who wants to live their lives their way as something their not.

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One of the things we have argued for and about, at some length, on this forum is freedom of speech. The consensus appears to lie with Rousseau's famous statement on the freedom of the press, " I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Which is exactly how it should be.

I feel it only fair to observe that this latitude does not extend to the flinging of gratuitous insults. The art of debate lies not only in expressing what one believes to be true but also in demonstrating why one believes thus.

The automatic perjorative labelling of anyone who disagrees with the orthodox view is exactly the tactic employed by Hitler' Lenin and Stalin et al and we all know where that road leads to.

I would now naturally expect that Councillor Jones would like to take the opportunity to explain his comments and apologise for the offence he has given.

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Bazf.

'shirt lifters at the BNP'?

What on earth does that mean?

As a former bespoke shirtmaker l need to know.

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They have to lift each others shirts at these meetings otherwise their voices would be muffled when they speak!

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Sorry to nick your quote in another thread, A-B, hadn't seen this one then.

Unfortunately it is all too common for people who hold extreme views to classify anyone who does not agree with them as in need of "political re-education". Stalin had it off to a T (no, not you Tealeaf!). Tea is accused of being a BNP member simply because he doesn't agree with Councillor Jones. So what if he is? - and I have no idea whether he is or not, nor do I care. He is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, extremism breeds extremism, from whichever side.

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i also don't know tealeaf,what he is accused of i don't know either,nor do i give a monkeys,it dosn't matter. do you really know graham? joe stalin used to think along those lines,freedom of speech so long as you agree with me.anyone who is a member of the BNP i do not agree with,just feel sorry for such misguided people,but some of the things they say would not cause any right minded person a problem if the main parties would grasp the nettle and deal with issues that concern most (non racist)people,they just haven't got the will or the guts to do so.

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I got called a Tory by him about a week ago!

I get the feeling that whatever he believes in is right, which means that if you believe in something else you are wrong.

There is not much point in arguing with people like that

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yeh but vorlon you are a tory the point is thats your choice and your'e entitled to be lol

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I have voted Tory in the past, but I am bucking the trend on this occasion and voting for someone else.

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Less did you really have to start a new thread about the same subject? I feel that to get the full picture you can't pick a bit out of my post you need the full thread as it was.

Although in the other thread he did make the comment "you BNP lot, I must now say that my comments where not a direct quote from Graham Jones but someone else’s interpretation of what his opinion was. I have spoken to this person again and he is extremely annoyed with me for using his comments of what were a private conversation and his refuses to discuss them again.

I too feel Graham is a valued member of this website and have learned a lot from him even though we differ in opinion on some issues.

Without going through all of Grahams postings I do not ever remember him referring to any member of this site as a Nazi and feel as I have no prove that Graham has an opinion that this website is an extreme right wing site. I apologise again and would agree to never posting again on the Accyweb if that is what he wants.

Bagpuss

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Does no one feel that the need to be politically corect has gone far enough. We now step around problems and sidestep issues for fear of upsetting or agitating some one and the problem just festers. For Gods sake if you have something to say just say it rather than just thinking about it . You have a right to your opinion rightly or wrongly and discussing a problem logically without being shouted down by some loudmouth is the English way. You may not always win the discussion but you will have used your God given right to speak your piece

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you have just hit the nail on the head vorlon !!! dont they all.

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I'm not sure if Councillor Jones is aware of this, but he is in a difficult position when it comes to the laws of libel to say that there is an OFFICIAL BNP site where, if his name is published, his home could be firebombed. There is also the fact that, since he appears on a site naming extreme left-wing people, and given that he is a councillor - ergo his name and address have to be available to the electorate - he is being just the tiniest bit over-dramatic here. Having spent a year or so living with a man who was on an IRA hitlist - simply because he was a British diplomat at consular level (the IRA go through the current consular lists, easily available, and target at random - but they always seem to let 5 know) I don't feel the same degree of drama.

Let us be clear about this: GJ has his opinion. Tealeaf has his opinion. Vorlon has his (I think! - I am assuming gender here!) opinion. I have mine. All are valid. No-one is right, no-one is wrong. To say "This is my opinion. Therefore I am right and you are wrong" is not socialism, not conservatism, it is simply and solely fascism. Fascism is not the prerogative of the right wing. It exists whenever and wherever a sector of the population say that what they believe is right, anything else is wrong. It is a short step to saying "It is wrong and therefore it should be punished". Then follows: If you do not say what I believe, then you are wrong and should be silenced.

Heinrich Heine said of Hitler's beloved Third Reich in its early days, when contrary thought was being stamped out -

"If you begin by burning books, you will end by burning people".

THIS SITE IS FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL, SOCIAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEF. And yes, on this occasion, I am shouting!

So, Councillor Jones, you are entitled to whatever views you choose to subscribe to, but do not take the moral high ground with the rest of us who do not necessarily wholeheartedly follow you.

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Unless Graham comes on the site to give us his side of the story then decide for yourselves to use a phrase Graham uses often "in my honest opinion", the info I posted was correct and also "in my honest opinion", I suspect that he has been advised to lay of the controversial stuff and not post until after the election. I have taken a lot of crap over my recent postings and I'm genuinely upset if I caused Graham any trouble but in future I'm still going to post what I see and hear along with my opinions if I know it's true, unless I'm banned.

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You are quite right to shout, Pendy.
Some of Graham Jones' statements calling us fascists, reminds me of reading of McCarthyism, in 1950's America. It is politics by scare tactics.


I agree with some of the things Councillor Jones says and I disagree with other of his opinions. Does that make me half right, or half wrong. Or because I don't agree 100% with Mr Jones, does that make me 100% wrong? :confused:

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Well said acertun if we aall stood up for what we believe in and say exactly what we mean without fear of reprisal then I'm sure things would move along better and the world would (eventually) be a better place to live in that we would all know where we stood and what to expect.

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I agree totally. And I have noticed name calling and personal remarks or attacks have decreased a lot recently. This thread start itself if neither adult or civilised. Thanks for posting this comment.

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Are you saying that personal insults and attacks are an acceptable form of free expression? You seem to be confusing adult civilised conversation with childish aggressive behaviour which I do find unacceptable and I object to unapologetically.

I am surprised as to why you are defending personal attacks and how does this improve free speech?

And would like to know where I said or implied implicitly "I am right you are wrong", and where you add everyone is entitled to their opinion in the same sentence, that does not make sense because you are arguing opposites.

As a committed anti-totalitarian it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise especially when I have said often either IMHO or I am not always right.

Accy Web should be fun and should be progressive. Not loutish, aggressive and a free speech killer with personal insults and attacks which occur occasionally and go unchecked.

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An opinion should be based on truth and facts. When either one is distorted or Quoted by bending either truth or fact then the opinion is either skewed or irrelevant to the argument. When you have something to say or express say it loudly and have the facts speak for them selves. Don't ever forget the oft quoted "The truth will set you free"

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The opinion should be truthful and not slanted toward your personal point of view though. Also your feelings on the merits of the subject should not distort the facts to curry favour or win brownie points.

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I think that ones opinion, if truthful will always slant towards your personal piont of view otherwise you would not have an opinion. Youf feelings on the merit of a subject are your opinion, so a true opinion could never be used to curry favour or indeed brownie pionts. Sometimes though if you have and know that your opinion is bound to be controversial, then it is usually better kept to youself.