Oh dear, Mr. Jones
 

Oh dear, Mr. Jones I do hope that quote from Bagpuss in Councillor Jones is Famous!!!!! is incorrect, because if it isn't then it seems to be a very sweeping and inaccurate statement.

Yes there are posts on this site talking about the above topics but 'constantly' I don't think so!
Some of the debates about these very subjects can and sometimes do get heated, why? the reason why seems very obvious to me, if this site was 'an extreme right wing website' then there would not be a debate (or as I like to call it an argument), to have a debate we need at least two opposing points of view and from what I have seen whenever these and many other topics are discussed we often get many more than two points of view and also a very large amount of comment in the gray areas in between.

I do hope that you were mis-quoted because I read your input with a great deal of interest and up until now, although not always agreeing with you have not found any need for criticism of what you sincerly believe.

I hope you will continue to post on here but I would like to hear your honest opinion of what you think of us, the mortals that contribute on a regular basis to this site.

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Gosh, that's interesting if true. l shall await a reply with interest if it's true.

I for one have found very litle political extremism on this site. The most vicious debates have been about public art!

A quote from Joe Strummer of the Clash= good.
playing golf= not so cool! :)

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if i thought for a minute that the sight was extreme right wing extremists,i for one would certainly not come near it.its just ordinary people expressing opinions,many i presume don,t agree with mine,but theres something not right to me with a councillor who makes a comment like that.it was totally uncalled for as far as i am concerned.

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Now I don't think we should jump to conclusions as Mr Jones may have been taken out of context. I think this site reflects the thoughts and feelings of us ordinary folk on the issues that matter to us. I think that the majority of us are fed up with being fobbed off by the government and councils about matters regarding our overall welfare, whether it be education, immigration, health, crime, taxes, the list is endless. If councillor Jones truly thinks that this is an extreme right wing site then that is his opinion. However it would show an extreme lack of understanding of not only the issues important to us all but also of the English language, which would call into question his ability to air our views to the council, and I don't really think that is the case.:)

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As a relative new comer to this site I have to admit that I found it daunting at first. There are a few (and I stress 'a few') people who can behave like bullies and if you disagree with them they get quite aggressive. However, after being here for a few weeks now I've realised that they really are in the minority.

I hope Graham Jones continues to come to this site because I've learnt a lot more about politics than before. I don't always agree but then again, I sometimes do so it would be a shame for him to leave now. Plus, you've got to applaud him for standing up on a site like this and letting everyone know what he thinks.

I hope his comments on the golf course were taken out of context.

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Perhaps Councillor Jones would prefer to see it as an extreme left-wing site?

Personally, I prefer it as it is, with all political beliefs freely discussed, and opinions expressed equally freely.

Remember the quote? - "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

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And I turn realise that I burst onto the site with a bee in my bonnet about that particular issue when I should perhaps have eased myself in.

Because I've since realised that some people like to be objectionable purely for the fun of objecting. They seem to get pleasure in winding people up and it is probably this that Cllr Jones has taken to heart.

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I have found this site very well balanced.......as other posters have pointed out, the things that we get heated about are the things that concern us in our daily lives. I'm not at all keen on labelling folk as 'extreme right wing' or 'loony lefties'..........and I too, think that if the comment was 'as posted' it does show a supreme lack of understanding of the concerns of the folk that live in the borough.........and I had Graham down as a guy who was passionate about the concerns of his ward and the people who live there.

I have learned much more about local politics since Graham has been a member.

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Less did you really have to start a new thread about the same subject? I feel that to get the full picture you can't pick a bit out of my post you need the full thread as it was.

Although in the other thread he did make the comment "you BNP lot, I must now say that my comments where not a direct quote from Graham Jones but someone else’s interpretation of what his opinion was. I have spoken to this person again and he is extremely annoyed with me for using his comments of what were a private conversation and his refuses to discuss them again.

I too feel Graham is a valued member of this website and have learned a lot from him even though we differ in opinion on some issues.

Without going through all of Grahams postings I do not ever remember him referring to any member of this site as a Nazi and feel as I have no prove that Graham has an opinion that this website is an extreme right wing site. I apologise again and would agree to never posting again on the Accyweb if that is what he wants.

Bagpuss

Re: Oh dear, Mr. Jones
 

There are a couple of lessons to be learned here.

First of all it's never wise to talk about people behind their backs as you never know how much of it will get back to the person of whom you speak.

Secondly we should all be careful how much store we set by a report received second or third hand.

Third point - it's much better to have these discussions out in the open here on a message board where any false reports can be rectified rather than people just grumbling to each other about them in private without ever really knowing if they are true or not.

So come on Graham tell us what's true and what isn't and let's discuss things with each other rather than talk about what somebody said someone else said about what you'd said.

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As far as i can make it out ami correct in understanding that a friend of a friend said that a friend said that we are nazis

my my this is confusing although i often disagree with graham about alomost everything including imigration i wont judge off second hand information

altough i have preppared a new picture ready just incase we do decide we are nazis :D


hey if prince harry can wear one ime sure i can use one for a joke...?

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nice one chav though some might not think so lol

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yeah ive kinda taken a risk for a ear bashing but ime counting on a few people having a twisted sense of humour like me :D

for those that havnt i appologise and to those that have cracked a smile you should be ashamed of your selves :o

Re: Oh dear, Mr. Jones
 

Unless Graham comes on the site to give us his side of the story then decide for yourselves to use a phrase Graham uses often "in my honest opinion", the info I posted was correct and also "in my honest opinion", I suspect that he has been advised to lay of the controversial stuff and not post until after the election. I have taken a lot of crap over my recent postings and I'm genuinely upset if I caused Graham any trouble but in future I'm still going to post what I see and hear along with my opinions if I know it's true, unless I'm banned.

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hear hear if you can't give an honest opinion,then we all might as well jump in the cut.

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Due to my present work location I am only able to have a good browse at weekends and have just come across the above.

I am realy very puzzled as to how one can be bullied by words and hope that PurpleLass will elucidate, preferably by giving an example.

Voltaire`s Dictum has been quoted a number of times recently and I would have thought that it would serve as a "cornerstone" or "foundation" to attitudes between posters.

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It would be a shame if that's the case, and as far as I'm concerned somewhat self-defeating too because I am more likely to respect a person or politiical party who can stand up and be counted.

I hope you do, after all you're not the first to have reported what has been said elsewhere. Graham has actually done that himself. It's a pity he hasn't been back to give us his two pennorth on this subject.

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It is quite easy to bully with words, by calling people's views stupid or by calling people silly for believing in those views. Anyway, like I said, I think people like that are in the minority and in most cases it's down to passionate views which I have to applaud.

Anyway, back to Cllr Jones - it is quite possible that he has either decided to cool it on the site until the election or is simply too busy campaigning to be able to post.

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Forgive me, but I was always under the impression that us northerners were above such effete southern nonsense. We are justly famed for calling a spade, a spade! When I was younger there was a rhyme I was taught at school which ran something along the lines of: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

What is wrong with saying that an idea or a statement is stupid, if that is what one thinks it is? What would the grandee's of Political Correctness have us call it?

The point of complaint against Councillor Jones, as I see it, is that he had the temerity and lack of taste to describe the majority of board members as right wing and members of the BNP without any evidence to support his statements and has since decided to absent himself from the board, thus depriving aggrieved members of the board the opportunity to challenge his assertions. That isn't bullying, it is moral cowardice and is something that all politicians are pretty adept at.

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possible also its easy to use the election as a screen who knows?

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I object to being referred to as a degenerate.

Where's your evidence to support this, A-b?

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What is wrong with saying that an idea or a statement is stupid, if that is what one thinks it is? What would the grandee's of Political Correctness have us call it?

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I think it's more or less ok to call an idea stupid if you qualify that it's simply your view (although I wouldn't say that about anyone else's opinions). But to call an idea stupid without qualifying that it is only your opinion is actually an insult - it may seem stupid to you but it may not seem stupid to someone else. It's all down to manners and politeness, and it's downright rude to dismiss someone's views simply because you disagree with them.

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Had an interesting chat to the Labour canvassers who called yesterday who told me Graham wasn't with them but wouldn't say why not. After a good 15 minutes of chatting I left them with the statement that I wouldn't be voting for them due to that fact that I thought they had silenced one of their best councillors and if that's how they worked I had no faith in them, they left speechless.

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is it really them who have silenced him bagpuss?i have never had much faith in the local labour for many years but i certainly wouldn't sway in my vote,i agree that he's a good councillor and if thats the case it sucks.

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I was having a bit of fun with them as I'm not happy at whats going on, I only told them that I wouldn't be voting to try and extract a bit more info, seems Graham went to a gig instead of canvassing.