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theres something wrong when a child is able to toddle out unattended

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just wait until hes old enough to see over the steering wheel of a car he will be doing a lot worse

kids in my area used to stand on the gararges roofs and throw rocks at passing cars

only the new shiny ones though and by the time the car stopped the kids had scarpered the back way

if caught the parents wouldnt care less and in my opinion the parents should be made to pay and if not they shoukd go to jail

maybe if parents had somthing to loose they might just bring their kids up right

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thats exactly what i meant chav

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You should have asked me Willow, It was the top of a tin can which he/she? expertly flicked but the aim was off and it sailed harmlessly behind us (just)

Probably a remnant of what SHOULD have been collected for recycling! but thats another thread.

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This happened to me in Blackpool last year, the lad was about 12 or 13? He raised his arm in a throwing gesture in my direction of travel. I heard the impact of a shard of red brick bounce off the boot lid and across the rear window screen. Because I had seen him raise his arm I was already looking in my rear view and was aware that their was no traffic behind me. I hit brakes with an intentional degree of violence and slammed the car in to reverse cutting off his intended escape route. The little bastard went very white and I’m sure he started crying, he shot off down a side street which I followed him down at a safe speed, I parked up half way down the street and followed him on foot until he lost me in some other poor person’s garden. I knew I wouldn’t catch him, and if I did I knew I couldn’t hit the little ****. My intention was to show him that he was vulnerable and could be challenged. I think he got the message.

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The problem is that you're not allowed to protect your property - if you had hit him you'd have had the law on your back.

Years ago if you did that and the kid went crying to his parents, they'd probably have delivered the same treatment!

How times change, and not always for the better

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Been there done that Doug.
It really does scare the s*** out of them when you go after them.

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If you did catch them, they would probably claim it was "Performance Art" and that they were working towards a grant from the Arts Council. The ideal answer to that one is to land one on them, and tell them that too is "Performance Art".

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[QUOTE=WillowTheWhisp]

A vandal in training? a chaveling


IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE IT :eek:

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http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/26/Ta...rl_in_vi.shtml

Maybe the kid will get like this story if nothings done now.

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I feel sorry for these children, they dont stand a chance when their only role models dont teach them the difference between wrong and right. My concern is that this toddler is left unattended could've easily walked into the road and been hit by a car.

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A few years ago i was driving to work.....I had just gone through the traffic lights at Intack and was going up Shadsworth Rd.......a young boy who could not have been much more that 6 yrs old walked straight out in front of my car........I pulled to the side of the road and told him that he could get knocked down like that......it was obvious that he had done it just to test me......he said 'if you effing knocked me down I would get my mum to sue you'
I wanted to slap him...... but just got back in my car and drove to work. But if I had not been going slowly I could have killed that child. It certainly scared me.

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Some years ago my eldest daughter saw 2 little boys aged about 6, from a nearby estate, throwing bottles into the road near her house and smashing them. She went out and gave them a good telling off and sent them home. Ten minutes later the mother of one of them knocked on her door and, when she answered, poured out a stream of obscenities at her for having shouted at her child. When my daughter told the woman what the kids had been doing she shouted that it was none of my daughter's effing business and she'd effing knock her effing teeth down her effing throat if she ever effing shouted at him again. What's the betting those kids, who will now be about 18, are now fully fledged vandals/criminals?

So I'm an old reactionary but I am nostalgic for the days when, if a teacher, policeman or neighbour gave a badly behaved kid a "thick ear", the kid didn't dare tell Dad because he'd get another one. Brutal? Hmmm. Hard? Possibly. Most of us, however, grew up to be decent citizens. God help the next generation.

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I'm with you West Ender........I got up to mischief.......and took my hidings when I got found out. I don't think my parents practised child abuse......they just wanted to instill in me a sense of responsibility for my actions.

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it is a fact of life that children practice what their brought up with in the home,parents should be made to take responsibility for the behaviour of children,ours did thats when i got a thick ear.

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perhaps when enough parents are sentto jail for punishing their children the country will stand up against europe and polititians and say enough is enough

if any of my kids get brought to my house for vandalising property or throwing bricks at cars they will get hit and it will leave a mark

if yolu dont leave a red mark when slapping a kid it means you didnt do it hard enough

i have had plenty of marks left on my ass and legs from my mums slipper and although it stung like hell for a while i wasnt done any long lasting damage

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Some people may take it too far though.

There is a line between punishment and abuse. It may be fine, but it is definitely there

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the problem is that line gets moved further and further away from punishment every year

by this time next year what is considered acceptable will get you 5 years in prison

off topic a little now but i remember when punching someone in the face was considered A.B.H. but now it is G.B.H

not a nice thing to do but i used it as an example of how the law shifts the value of pain

as the law has got softer the crimes have got more horrific and more frequent

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my grandfather was given the cane at school fequently , got a leather belt around his ass from his father and went on to fight a world war and lived many years after the war

he died of natural causes

cant say getting dicipline did him any harm

infact i remember him having a belt that used to hang on the wall and if i misbehaved he would get it off the wall and slap it across his hand making a cracking noise and ask me if i wanted some on my legs

that was enough i soon shut up and behaved yet even threatening a child with this would now land you in jail

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l think this thread has come to the conclusion that all us 'oldies' who suffered the terrible ordeal of being slapped or caned if we did something wrong, are in a better state of mind to comment on the heedless actions of some of todays young Chavlings.

Bring back parental rights, teachers rights, and the rights of a society to clout other people's children, if they've done something so stupid as to endanger their or other peoples lives with their mindless actions.

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I don't know how it got to the point when the line blurred between punishment and abuse. One can only assume that it is people of our generation or older perhaps who suffered as a child and have decided to take action. Obviously, that person, or people like them were treated to something that was classed as punishment but was a little stronger.

A bit off thread but a similar theme. My hubby was jogging the other day and someone drove past and threw a can at him. Fortunately hit him on the arm and not face but still hurt him.

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We've had this debate before and I still stand where I stood then. A spanking when necessary never hurt anyone and on the contrary served to bring up a generation of well behaved people who knew right from wrong rather than the mindless heedless yobs of today.

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my grown up children were never abused,though smacked when reason failed. the cretins that have moved the line so far the other way to my mind are more to blame than the yobs,its a society they have created,