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Neil 02-05-2005 16:58

Lancashire County Council
 
My question is why do we need Hyndburn Borough Council when we have Lancashire County Council?
Or why do we need Lancashire County Council when we have Hyndburn Borough Council?

It looks to me like extra Councillors for nothing. Having both must cost us council tax payers more money.

PurpleLass 03-05-2005 14:06

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Theoretically, you don't need the two tiers. Blackburn with Darwen is a unitary authority and as far as I understand (I may be wrong) they don't answer to Lancashire County Council.

Lancs CC manage things across the county like schools, fire service, libraries, ambulances, etc that are better managed centrally and HBC manage local things that are unique to Hyndburn like parks, roads, police, etc.

In theory any borough council could become a unitary authority and separate itself from the county council but they would have to prove that they were capable of managing all those things alone - can you honestly see HBC being able to prove that they were capable?

Neil 03-05-2005 14:15

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleLass
Lancs CC manage things across the county like schools, fire service, libraries, ambulances, etc

If that is the case I can't see why we need County Councillors

PurpleLass 03-05-2005 14:16

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Because all our services would then be in the hands of HBC!

lettie 03-05-2005 15:20

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleLass
Because all our services would then be in the hands of HBC!

God forbid!!!!! HBC being given even greater license to further cock-up our services. No thanks.:)

cashman 03-05-2005 15:39

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
the thought is scarey

WillowTheWhisp 03-05-2005 17:54

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleLass
Blackburn with Darwen is a unitary authority and as far as I understand (I may be wrong) they don't answer to Lancashire County Council.

That would explain all the "welcome to Lancashire" signs when you leave Blackburn.



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can you honestly see HBC being able to prove that they were capable?
In a word - "no"

Accura 04-05-2005 20:26

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Lancashire CC is becoming more and more unpopular all the time. Blackburn and Blackpool have already broken off and Preston are due to break off and form a unitary authority with Chorley and South Ribble called 'Greater Preston'.
Cool eh? Personally, I cant wait!

grego 04-05-2005 20:43

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
I haven't given much thought to the two councils before, though wouldn't like HBC to handle everything, dont think ther're doing a great job at the moment, streets still filthy etc.

Neil 04-05-2005 20:47

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grego
streets still filthy etc.

Then read this and kick some HBC booty.

WillowTheWhisp 04-05-2005 22:31

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
If I'm reading that correctly a residential area shouldn't even get to stage D let alone be cleaned up by HBC within the hour! Don't make me laugh. Every time I complain about the mess the bin men leave behind it takes days before anything is done and the rubbish spreads further and further.

PurpleLass 06-05-2005 09:29

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Does anyone know who won the County Council elections?

Neil 06-05-2005 13:30

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
If I'm reading that correctly a residential area shouldn't even get to stage D let alone be cleaned up by HBC within the hour! Don't make me laugh. Every time I complain about the mess the bin men leave behind it takes days before anything is done and the rubbish spreads further and further.

Try spending the £3.50. Or at least tell them you are going too. I bet no one ever has in Hyndburn.

PurpleLass 06-05-2005 18:08

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
I've had a look on HBC site and it's been posted on there. There were six seats up for grabs in the County elections (not five like I said on an earlier thread) and they all went to Labour. I think that means no change because I think they were all Labour before hand.

Neil 07-05-2005 05:59

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
I can't understand how we can have a Tory run HBC when Labour got the MP and all the LCC seats.

Bazf 07-05-2005 11:51

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Don't you vote for your councillers?

Neil 07-05-2005 14:05

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
It just seems odd the way the voting ends up.

Graham Jones 07-05-2005 17:17

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil
I can't understand how we can have a Tory run HBC when Labour got the MP and all the LCC seats.

1) LCC is reasonably well run. HBC must be one of the worst Councils in Britain IMHO.

2) HBC is Tory because of local factors. Held marginally. 19-16 at the moment.

2a) BECAUSE OF The Green Party in Barnfield who attack Labour and let the Tories in with just 650 votes whilst the 1100 socialists in Barnfield split their vote evenly between 2 parties. Thats 2 extra Tories seats.

2b)The majority of the asian heritage community in Central Ward [the poorest ward in Hyndburn] vote Conservative. However the County boundary is bigger and it is drowned out by Labour voters. But at district it supplies 2 more conservatives.

Thats a swing of 8 seats which would have meant Peter Britcliffe would never have been leader of the Council.

2c) The boundaries suit the Conservatives across the borough in general.

2d) Peter Britcliffe is good at conning the public. At the last LOCAL election he asked voters to 'give Tony Blair a good thumping' instead of concentrating on why HBC owes more then Leeds United and is at least as ineptly run.

2e) Finally, Labour in the past have had some poor candidates/councillors at district level and very good/popular ones at County level.

The natural split as you suggest is 65:35 and therefore the council should be 23/12 or thereabouts. With the 4 named above it would be 20/15 Labour. There are another 5 seats with a good local candidate which would be Labour to.

cashman 07-05-2005 17:25

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
not aware of everything you say graham,but a lot of it,all i can say is its a refreshing change it seems to me to be an honest appraisal,nice one.

chav1 07-05-2005 18:34

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
perhaps we need a labour candidate with enough inteligence to say to people on their doorsteps why it is that their council tax is so high

ime sure if a candidate came to my door with facts and figures showing P.B's incompitence i wouldnt vote for him ( not that i did anyway)

cant be too hard to find the figures and reasons as they pop un on accy web often enough :)

Neil 07-05-2005 18:39

Re: Lancashire County Council
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Jones
2c) The boundaries suit the Conservatives across the borough in general.

That bit makes sense to me. I bet they won't be changing them for a long time then :D


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