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T.B. is a killer disease and is on the increase in this country. In Britain some 7,000 people are diagnosed each year and around 350 die from T.B. It can be passed on by coughing, sneezing or just being around an infected person who is talking.........

A man from Leicestershire was diagnosed as a T.B. carrier in 2002. If he had a 6 month course of antibiotics he would have been rid of the infection but he CHOSE not to take the treatment.....An order was issued by Magistrates forcing him to attend hospital but the doctors were unable to give treatment without his permission so he was allowed out again.

In 2003, he was arrested in connection with a serious crime but the police (quite rightly) refused to interview him because of Health and Safety Rules so he was released without charges brought against him.

Shortly after, he took a short term course of antibiotics so the police rearrested him and he was jailed for three months but on his release again stopped medication....and became infectious again.

He has infected at least 12 people of which some may die and all 12 will have passed on the infection to friends and family, this guy is still walking the streets.

Because of our archaic laws he cannot be "forced" to accept treatment, nor can he be incarcerated for others safety and if the government now try to review the public health laws it is feared that Human Rights Legislation would prevent imposing compulsory treatment.

Check out the full report and vote on whether this man should be prevented from spreading this disease...

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the government say it may breach the disease carriers human rights bullsh** what about the human rights of the general public, this is insanity it shouldn't even be open to discussion if anyone has an infectious disease if that offends anyone TOUGH.

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Could the people who he has infected not bring a case against him. I know that cases have been brought before in instances where HIV positive people have been brought before the courts for knowingly infecting a partner.:)

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its about time people coming into this country were given full medicals before setting one foot into this country

especialy from countries like africa where aids and tb are as rife as the common cold



dont want to uspset the holiday makers as well but maybe it wouldnt be a bad idea to have a health check/blood test within 1 week of arriving back off holidays when they have been to certain areas of the world

it would protect them and the public


and for those not too sure about how big a problem TB is getting the patient in hospital next to my friend a few weeks ago was recoverinbg from TB that he picked up in samalia when visiting his family

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1 week would be too soon for a health check after travel. It takes at least 12 weeks for blood to seroconvert after contact with HIV. The test for TB is usually an acid fast bacilli test of sputum or urine.:D Lovely!!!!!

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but would you agree in general that holiday makers when visiting certain parts of the world should have medical tests when they arrive back at some point

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I would be inclined to agree. Funnily enough health checks for immigrants including HIV and Hepatitis tests were debated in parliament in about 2002 ish and guess what........ The human rights do-gooder lobby said that making immigrants have these tests infringed their human rights and was racism. So therefore these diseases are now costing the NHS millions per year to treat (including TB) because the government were too soft to say 'sod you' to the do-gooders, even though other countries such as the USA, Australia, NZ, China Russia and Saudi do these tests on immigrants as a matter of routine. :rolleyes:

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On top of that, anyone with HIV cannot be forceably returned to their country of origin. There are now an estimated 30,000 non-UK citizens receiving ten thousand quids worth of medication, each per year. By my reckoning thats three hunded million which could be spent on something else.


I don't know the figures for TB.

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Almost worse is the fact that he packed up treatment after three months - thereby guaranteeing that the bacillus will be well on the way to developing a resistance to whatever he was given. TB is becoming a major problem, it had been virtually eradicated in this country but now it's on the up and up.

Why are the "human rights" of one idiot so much more important than the human rights of the population at large? - if this dangerous loon sits opposite me on a bus and coughs over me, what price my human rights not to be infected? And yes, we ought to screen people coming into this country. Other countries do, and they don't hand out incredibly expensive ongoing healthcare to anybody who crosses their borders.

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i say we throw the doogooders in with the aids victims and TB sufferers and see how their attitude changes

most do gooders arnt the ones who usualy have to live amongs these people carrying the diseases so dont care about anyone but them selves

they will push their views on us and sod the consiquences as long as it dosnt effect them they are quite happy to tell us what to accept

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Don't get me started on this one;this sad individual has refused treatment that would cost him nothing and is now wandering around inflicting his disease on all and sundry.In the meantime my child has waited 4 months to see a specialist,another 3 months to see a paediatrician and now we have to wait another 8 weeks for an MRI scan[and that's being "rushed" thru apparently!] There is something very wrong here!:confused:

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The other thing about this guy......who is white by the way.....is that he cannot be identified so that the local population can avoid contact with him........identifying him would breach his right to confidentiality.

And as for bringing manslaughter charges against him if anyone dies........how are they going to do that....? He was involved in 'serious' crime before and the police had to let him go because they did a dynamic risk assessment that showed the police were 'at risk' if they interviewed him.

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Its disgusting it really is, we have a fortnightly TB clinic at BRI and its 99% Asian, I've no problem with that after all they are being treated and not all actually have the disease. I think human rights have been taken a bit too far if that makes sense.

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this guy should be taken out with a sniper rifle so that the men in vacume sealed suits can take his body away and burn it like they do with cows with mad cow dissease

on the note of TB

its not surpriseing its on the up with all the gobbing that is done on the streets

it has become a minefiled of green snot and flem in accy center and the sight of people emtying their noses and throats onto the floor has become so often it barely registers when i see the dirty sods doing it

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He certainly shouldn't be allowed to get away with it, I think treatment should be forced on him.

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according to the article, he cannot be forced to have treatment as this contravenes his human rights!

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cant he be treated under the mental health act under diminished resposabilty or whatever its called

anyone who wants to carry a deadly dissease cant be right in the head

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Apparently not.
When he is really feeling ill he turns up at hospital and they start treatment for him......but as soon as he begins to feel better he signs himself out.
The treatment for TB has to be continued for a full 6 months.......each time he gets a partial treatment it increases the liklihood of the disease becoming resistant to treatment.

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while i was in hospital a drug addict kep sneaking off the ward to go for drugs and always ended up coming back more ill than he was origionaly

eventualy they told him that if he didnt want to get better and did it again they would not treat him again and would give his hospital bed to somone who wanted to get better

he snuck off again and went to get drugs and got himself in a mess but this time he died in the taxi he got to take him to bolton hospital

there should be a 3 strike rule where anyone who refuses treatment or quits treatment 3 times is left simply to die

if they can turn people away who are waiting for heart treatment because they smoke surely thay can refuse to treat this guy

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If you mean that the bloke is a complete nut case, of course you can say it. If we can't force him to have treatment he should be quarantined at the HQ of the civil liberties brigade.

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He should be quarantined.

There is a vast difference between TB and HIV. You can basically prevent the spread of HIV and protect yourself by not exchanging body fluids with an infected person. Something that can't be done if this person spreading his TB arround when he is sat opposite you on the bus and sneezes.

But what about Christian Sciientists, who regualrly die and let their children die rather than have certain medical treatment such as blood tranfusions or transplants? Should we enforce medical treatment on these people as well as TB sufferers?

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Only if they are spreading contagious diseases around. I don't aggree with their beliefs, but I defend their right to have them.

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So it's ok for us as a society to allow children to die because of their parents beliefs, but we could protect them from TB by quarantining infected individuals who refuse treatment?

Strange old world, medical ethics.

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don't think the parents beliefs should be taken into account with life threatening illness, the child should be given treatment,then when its old enough make its own choice.

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It certainly is a strange old world is that of medical ethics. As a general rule medical ethics won't let a child die for want of a transfusion, but this depends on the age of the child. If a child is very young and therefore incapable of making an informed choice about the treatment, I have known them to be made a ward of court and a court decision is made for transfusion against the parent's wishes. If the child is older ie teenager and can be said to be 'Gillick' competent (taken from the Victoria Gillick case) and the child fully understands and accepts that the lack of treatment may result in his/her death but still chooses not to be treated, then that's his/her decision..

It certainly is a funny old world and these things don't happen very often, but are headline hitters when they do.

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Thanks for that information Lettie, that is slightly more comforting than l thought it was.

Victoria Gillick, that nasty old bag is a test case for youngsters having the right to make an informed choice? The same mother of 11, who tried to stop Doctors from prescribing contraceptives to teenagers?

Like l said funny old world.

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thats a bit more re-assuring lettie,but what worries me could the time taken to make the child a ward of court result in a unfortunate fatality?

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When a life hangs in the balance Cashman, these things are done with alarming speed. The same as for the court ordered Caesarian sections that hit the news a few years back, judges are woken in the night to make the decisions.

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sorry lettie have got H.B.C. on the brain was thinkin of speed in that context lol

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I would have thought that it was perfectly possible to have this half-wit sectioned under the Mental Health Act, since he is demonstrably a danger both to himself and others.

But then we forget the unwritten 11th commandment

Thou Shalt Not Cause Offence: Other people are perfectly entitled to behave like complete and utter selfish ars*h*les, but thou shalt not point this out to them lest thou cause offence.

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I would also have thought that it was possible to have this jerk sectioned under the mental health act. Proving that he is a danger to himself and others would be no problem. I think the proving of an unsound mental state would be difficult though. When people refuse to be treated it may simply be a case of because 'I don't want to.' Unfortunately I don't want to does not reflect an unsound mind and this is where the problem would lie. If he had made an admission that he was phobic of treatment, then a section would be possible. Two qualified health professionals have to sign on the dotted line in order to procure a mental health section. It is quite clear in the act that the mental health has to be causing a danger. One of the signitories is usually the GP the other is normally the Psychiatrist on call at the time of the section. They may be unable to prove that this is a mental health case, as it is actually his physical health that is causing the problem. I have a feeling that this man is very careful in what he says to health professionals and would never admit anything which may be construed as poor mental health. Although in my book, he is obviously disturbed.

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yes willow jehovas witnesses are expected to watch their children die rather than allow a blood transfusion


of course daddy loves you now go die like a good little boy you dont want jehova to be mad at daddy do you ...?

laws should protect children from parents like these

religion and law should be sepearate issues to prevent brain washed parents from killing children

we cant smack a child but if a religeion says a child must die it is accepted

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[QUOTE=Busman747]T.B. is a killer disease and is on the increase in this country. In Britain some 7,000 people are diagnosed each year and around 350 die from T.B. It can be passed on by coughing, sneezing or just being around an infected person who is talking.........

A man from Leicestershire was diagnosed as a T.B. carrier in 2002. If he had a 6 month course of antibiotics he would have been rid of the infection but he CHOSE not to take the treatment.....An order was issued by Magistrates forcing him to attend hospital but the doctors were unable to give treatment without his permission so he was allowed out again.

In 2003, he was arrested in connection with a serious crime but the police (quite rightly) refused to interview him because of Health and Safety Rules so he was released without charges brought against him.

Shortly after, he took a short term course of antibiotics so the police rearrested him and he was jailed for three months but on his release again stopped medication....and became infectious again.

He has infected at least 12 people of which some may die and all 12 will have passed on the infection to friends and family, this guy is still walking the streets.

Because of our archaic laws he cannot be "forced" to accept treatment, nor can he be incarcerated for others safety and if the government now try to review the public health laws it is feared that Human Rights Legislation would prevent imposing compulsory treatment.

Check out the full report and vote on whether this man should be prevented from spreading this disease...

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apart from quoting nothing but the text from busmans post did you have anything to actualy add...?

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In 2003, he was arrested in connection with a serious crime but the police (quite rightly) refused to interview him because of Health and Safety Rules so he was released without charges brought against him.
The police "quite rightly" refused to interview him? for a serious crime? where do you get this "inside" information from ? the Daily Mail or The Express I suspect.( or maybe the Sun )

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it appears to be from the mail on sunday

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/...n_page_id=1770

are they a reputable paper i have never read that particular newspaper..?

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whatever..I'm abit thick

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wasnt having a go man just left me kinda puzzled why you had bothered to quote all that text and not add a follow up lol

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Very reputable if you like to have something to wind you up first thing in the morning.. all doom and gloom

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Of course not..no prob

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They use the term "quite rightly" because to do so would have put the police officers and solicitor at risk. If you read carefully you would have seen that. Or perhaps you prefer to read a less challenging newspaper.

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the mail which i buy on saterday only cos its the best weekly tv book is full of more crap than whinney hill tip if that answers the question

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would it be illigal for newspapers to put his face on the front of every news paper so people could at least avoid him..?

or maybe a bell hung around his neck like they did with leppars lol :D

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Apparently it would be in breech of his human rights to identify him.

My response to that is somewhat akin to small spherical objects.

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"They" ? who are "They" and if the police release serious offenders becuase it may put thier health at risk, then the police should be held to book. I'm sure mass murderers in the past have been a "health risk" to the police.. if it is the case that the police no longer interview suspects that are involed with serious crime because of risk, I will ask again where this information came from.. as you will know in criminal law .. not to interview all suspects involved with an offence is an offence in itself.

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frozen peas? whats that got to do with it?

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Have you never heard of charges being dropped Driller?

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Of course charges are dropped.. the qoute was that the police would not interview this person

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this guy walking around with TB justifies the invention of the sniper rifle if you ask me :uzi:

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this guy walking around with TB justifies the invention of the sniper rifle if you ask me :uzi:

double post ...?

starnge ...!

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A fact which you seemed to find incomprehensible.

Anyone who has been the victim of crime will probably tell you that every case isn't followed through by any means and in this particular instance the health of the police force was considered more important.

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So YOU would be quite happy to spend several hours in a 10 x 10 room with this guy spluttering all over you Driller........?

Perhaps you may want to write to the Chief Constable and tell him :rolleyes: Oh, don't forget to mention it to your family and friends as you are putting THEIR lives in danger, not just your own.

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I suggest that Driller goes back to his obviously out of date Stones Justices Manual to check the criminal law - if s/he can show me where it says it is an offence for the police not to interview a suspect, I'll buy him/her a pint. Sadly, equally there is no law to stop this dangerously infectious loon from wandering the countryside. We're not talking the common cold here, we are talking about a particularly nasty disease that kills or can leave permanent damage. Let's just hope he dies of it before he infects too many more people.

But hey - what the h*** - let's just slag off the police at every possible opportunity.