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Can anybody tell me why beer is over £10. 00. per gallon when petrol and diesel is under £4.00. per gallon. You dont have to build a platform in the middle of the ocean, and then drill for years, to make beer, the main ingredients grow in fields and fall from the sky?

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How do expect the poor Landlords to get rich?

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Never seen a poor one yet.

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thats because they charge over £10 per gallon.

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Have to tell you, having had a pub, there is no great mark-up on beer. Landlords are more likely to make their money on food and mixers than anything else, at least, that is how it used to be. I'm sure Staggering man will be able to give us an update on that.

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I know that John W but its good to keep Staggers on his toes.

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once read an article in the evening telegraph over 30years ago,that said the cheapest brew of all to make was lager i drank harp at the time, never drunk lager since,went back to bitter,as my only ambition at the time was to get sloshed,thought i'm not going to get ripped off for the privalidge.ive always bin a contrary git.

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Any one tried running an engine on beer? The busies would have a field day with their breathalizer kits. "Honest occifer, its the exhaust thats p***** not me!"
See Tesco is starting to trial selling the new generic fuel though. Wonder how long before that is taxed to the hilt like the rest?

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I truly feel sorry for landlords, The breweries control their prices to the outlets so that they are guaranteed a steady profit, but the landlord can only price their drinks so that it compares locally and therefore profit is minimal.

Pubs rely more and more on the sale of food to bring in profit..........and also the sale of non-alcoholic drinks such as coke that must have a HUGE profit margin!

It is noticable that certain pubs are forever up for sale or new tenants required, this is NOT because the previous landlord has made enough to retire..........

You mentioned Fireman, the difference between beer and petrol, but petrol station owners face a similar problem. I believe that they only receive 2-3 pence per litre profit and must rely on the sale of sweets, papers and groceries to give them a profit that will keep them in business!

The two organisations that are safe from bankruptcy are the suppliers of beers and petrol .....and of course, the government!

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Can you please explain what this is, or have you any links to info about please?

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its nice to know busman that someone has a bit of cloth between his ears ,this thread has been started and will not finish untill you are i are out of a job, people think that we set the prices (go to the big boys who have more clout)its not easy its dammned hard work the reason for posting at nearly 2am in the morning. when you can get up and earn a few quid in the morning because you are semi- retired is o.k but when you have to get up and pay the bills that drop through your door every day and you have to put up with other pub prices like the last orders and such its bl..dy hard work.people can choose where they want a drink and spend there money,do the same people that go out for a meal worry about what they pay for a beer or wine or whatever NO! because they dont want to belittle thereselves in front of there company they keep. so dont get onto the people that try and earn peanuts and work hard for next to jacks..t for the hours they put in. do any of you get two poll tax bills through your door £900.00 for living in a flat upstairs, £3500.00 buisness tax thats before you take into account gas,electric,insurance two are three of them and then you have to live! then you have music licences to get, extentions,darts,dominoes,entry fees.perhaps if you get away from it all you may get a holiday from it.not once a year every three years for a couple of days! then you look at the people that frequent your establishment and wonder how they can afford to come out as much as they do?perhaps we all should take notice of what others are doing and jump on there band wagons.if anyone out thwere wants to swap jobs for three months p.m me would love to get back to normality.


p.s loved every thing and nearly everyone i have had the satisfaction to meet!

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if you want to drink this stuff carry on (please misses firewoman beware when fireman lets rip)

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If you read the original thread NO,ONE but NO,ONE was getting at landlords or at petrol station owners. The thread was meant to just compare the process of producing a gallon of beer as compared to a gallon of fuel. Yes I am aware that our elected representatives take the larger share of both the cost of beer and fuel. I am also aware of the marginal profit that the final perveyers receive for issuing these products to the general public. I do think the comment by Bazf, was meant to inject a little humour into the subject, thus my reply to him. Staggers I would not and could not do your job it is as I have always thought not a job but a service. A thankless service that only half of which is visible from this side of the bar. Their was no attempt at a personal slant, (I hope you know me better than that). As far as I am concerned you all do a great job in circumstances that get worse by the day and trying to be civil to some of the idiots that choose to frequent pubs these days require that the staff act above and beyond the call of duty. Sorry if I led you to believe that I was getting at you or anyone else.

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I worked in mamaged houses for over 7 years. and I know and have known many landlords. The job is long and hard. You are up early doors dealing with cleaning/dray/paperwork and then up till late because customers now 'expect' that after hours pint or two. The profit on beer isn't great, even soft drinks can be tied to the brewery so there isn't the profit you think there. I got out 8 years ago and whilst I miss the friendship and experience I have tripled my salary for less than half the hours.

Ian

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Opps looks like humor went for a walk in this thread or maybe a pint, I apologize if it was interpreted the wrong way but I did think that Firemans post was a injection of humor and carried on the theme I will be more careful in future, Honest;)

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i too had my own bar its good crack you can have a laugh with MOST customers,its long hours very demanding and also BLOODY HARD WORK.

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You make this statement as if you're surprised fireman. When I first started underage drinking back in the seventies a pint of bitter in the AEU club was 10p, a pint in the pubs was 11 or 12p. When I started driving a few years later a gallon of 4star was 37.5-40p. We can't even blame this one on good old grinning Tony Bliar.

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Have you tried drinking petrol, Fireman?

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don't try meths its disgusting lol

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Thanks Pendy have you?

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As a booze monkey I would like a doctor to dare tell me or a smoker that we can't have treatment! We pay for our sin! and I wonder what would happen if we all gave up drink and fags?

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You wouldn't really live longer - it would just seem like it!

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Apparently a new bio friendly fuel that burns simiar to petrol but with lower emmisions. Understand Tesco is trialing sales in certain areas of the country so maybe if you try their site there may be other links from there. Some info on Bio diesel if you put that into search engine. Also Saab have a car that runs on bio fuel that is soon to be marketed over here. Hope that helps. PS understand it retails around 36p per litre so on a par with a cheap pint!

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:) pendy your an absolute star,petrol indeed,well it made me laugh!

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Originally Posted by big al
See Tesco is starting to trial selling the new generic fuel though

If by chance you mean biological diesel that is won as a fuel from a plant known as Raps in germany.I would advise against it.They brought it out over here and it has killed off a serious amount of cars ruining their diesel or petrol pumps.Surprising thing is that there appears to be no European ruling on the contents of this stuff

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Are you sure this isn't just standard LPG? I've been running it for years in my cars. I pay 34p/litre. LPG is environmentally friendly on 2 fronts. When burnt it produces massively less pollution than petrol or diesel. Secondly it is reaped during the pumping of oil for refining and currently less than 10% is used for useful purposes, the rest is flashed off at the rig. The more people that use it would mean a more efficent use of each resource released during the retrieval of oil.

Bio-Diesel is effectively any vegetable based oil(Rape, Sunflower etc) with a small amount of spirit to aid initial cold starting. The 'diesel' engine we know today was originally designed to run on peanut oil. It was only when the oil giants realised that there was a use for a product of the refining process that until that point was thrown away did we start to know it as a diesel engine. Any modern diesel will quite happily run on veg oil. The Customs and Excise are the people would would be a bit upset should you decide to do it though!

Ian

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Tis is made from Rape, a small yellow flower and is known over here as bio Diesel.Its killing a lot of the older diesel motors off.Know for sure as VW, Mercedes and other leading German Car Manufacturers are advising drivers not to use this fuel.Even to say the guarentee is null and void if you do.Lorry engines appear to be ok though ????ß

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what started off as a laugh is now getting very heavy lol

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I have Run a pub in the past. To top up my wage I used to get up at 7am on match days to cook free food for when the fans returned. I used an honesty pot for payment. I didn't make very much on the food but I did on the bar. Most nights I didn't get to bed till 230 am but was expected to be bright and cheerful when we opened the next day. It is a very hard life being a LandLord/Lady I'd rather be a barmaid any day

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Seems like the issue of generic fuels could make a seperate topic & could be split off as it is detracting from the landlord issue.
I don't know much about the development or past of this "new" fuel other that a mention on a news channel. I do know that Saab/Ford do claim to have a new engine capable of running on the stuff as this is on the search engine site I accessed when looking up on the web under green fuels. It is definitely not LPG as you have used Entwisi, but a by product of vegetable oil called Mono-alkyl ester. I am not certain of the similarity with the German product. I wouldn't expect Tesco to sell something that had a history of damaging engines though, would expect they have enough backup to ensure safety of such a large selling product. I assume that this is primarily a diesel engine fuel though, not petrol.

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I can get 4 cans odf tennats super frommy my offie for £4.00 and it gets me ok ... stop moanin