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should teachers have the power to expel or suspend children for misbehaviour

your views please.......

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i think they should have more power than that. in a lot of instances it wouldnt come to expel or suspend if the do good brigade would drop off the face of the earth.(some hope)

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yes

kids should be sent home but as a friend of mine would tell you the parents of some pupils simply cant be found

usualy doing somthing real important like drugs or boozeing in the pub

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fair point so then should they sent to a centre during school hours and made to do a sort of community service (litter picking and graffitti removal)

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Not individual teachers no. It should be down to the head.

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yes i agree but the power should be there to do these sorts of punishment

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So how does it work at the moment?

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if a teacher wants a child expelled they have to go to the LEA and they have to look at the childs records before saying Yeah or Neah

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The procedure is quite complicated, but it is down to the school governors to exclude a child, temporarily or permanently. A headteacher has powers to exclude for a short period (I think it's three days) but beyond that, the governors have to be involved, either a full governing body or a committee. As a governor, I once had to permanently exclude a five-year-old because he was so disruptive! You cannot just send children home, as there may well not be anyone there to take care of them. You can call the parents (if you can find them) and ask them to remove the child.

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A number of years ago I was on this sort of committee, the parent(s) and child would come in and put their point of view the head would give his then they would leave. we then had to decide the fate of these kids. The Chairmans first question would always be 'does this child come from a one parent family' if the answer was yes the child was reported to the LEA if the answer was no the child stood a chance of being allowed to stay & it didn't matter what anyone else thought the Chairmans word was law.

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You should have voted your chair of governors out, Debbie. There are a lot of things to consider, not least the effect on the child and where it can go if excluded. However, I always felt that the interests of the other children in the school had to come first. One disruptive child can wreck the education of a whole class, whatever and whoever their parents are. That should be the smallest consideration.

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What happens to the child after exclusion? He or she doesn't just vanish,someone else has to bear the cost of trying to educate the wayward soul.This is often done away from the school environment with a teacher and a teaching assistant involved,all in all the costs exceed £25,000 per annum per child.So multiply this by the number of excluded kids and no wonder the Education system is in crisis!

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There isn't an easy answer, Lampman. The child has to be educated, and if this can't happen in a mainstream school, alternatives have to be found, usually as you say at great expense. We ought to try educating children to be parents, then perhaps we can break the cycle. Very few children are really evil - it is bad parenting that creates bad children in most cases.

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I agree Pendy,up to a certain age the parents bear the reponsibility of giving their children a sense of right and wrong.Then later teachers come into the equation.
Unfortunately in this gym-slip mothers age the basic sense of decency is lacking,also teachers daren't reprimand or discipline a child for fear of action from the parent and the Education authorities.

Having seen some of the pupil referral candidates in action,I can say with honesty,this also does not work.

The only answer I have is back to basics for the next generation,it is much too late for this one.

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I agree that teachers should have more power over the children they teach, as a child at secondary school i was very rebelious and was in no way scared of the teacher or headmaster, i always though it was a lght walk!! That was 8 years ago so what must children at school now be thinking????? I regret some of the things i did at school and wish i had helped my teachers to educate me better. Schools should seperate the disruptive and disobedient ones form the ones who want to learn as i think that any childs disruptive behavior does not just disrupt thier education but the whole classes.

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I agree with all this but isn't it right that would naughty kids be removed then them who wanted to learn would do

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Perhaps they should bring back the cane.

It was phased out while I was at school, but while it was there people daren't do anything wrong for fear of getting caned.

Ooh, was that a deterrent they abolished? :rolleyes:

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Your right Willow some kids play up because they know they will be excluded. A few years ago my friends son did this and was sent to a place called Broughton Towers, there he went absailing, rock climbing and all kinds of other things, he loved it. where as my kids who behaved couldn't do any of this because i don't have that kind of money! It seemed very unfair that kids who behaved got no "treats" while little sods got everything!

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I have to say the major factor in all this is lack of parenting (except in cases of the children with known medical conditions) and lack of threatened punishment. What have they seriously got to be afraid of nowadays and the disruptive kids seem to be getting younger and younger. Anyone noticed the age of some of the kids getting ASBO's recently?? It's frightening

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There's no consequences for these kids any more though, and that is where the problem lies.

If someone does something and gets away with it, they will continue to do it, and each time go that little bit further - testing the boundary of what they can get away with.

If it was nipped in the bud at an early age, there would not be as many problems as there are now.

Many people here are old enough to remember getting a clip round the ear when they were younger, either by the local bobby or someone else, and no-one thought anything of it. If the person told their parents, they would more than likely get another one for their trouble!

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Well, it never did me any harm...well long term anyway...lol

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The Headteacher should have the power to expel. The class teacher or form teacher should have the authority to administer corporal punishment. Six of the best with a leather strap was the punishment when I was at secondary school.

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Yeah, and it was your fault I got 6 too! (on more than one occaision)

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ouch!!!!!!

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What a scurrilous, bordering on slanderous accusation. Who was it got me nissed a pewt on cheap red plonk on the school trip to Paris?

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You found the stuff at 3 francs (25p) a bottle and said it was a better deal than coca-cola; I was only the one who went in the shop and bought it.

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let the teachers sort the kids out the old fashioned way, learn them to respect and treat other people how they should be respected, that is what is missing in a lot of youngsters today.I would never have found out about S@M or dominetrix if i hadnt of been naughty at school.:eek:

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I didn't realise they taught that in the schools up there.

What have we been missing down south? :D

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I have to say that it boils down to one word RESPECT. Think about it, why did we not go off the rails when we prob could have done (although I'm sure we all had a blips) it was because we respected those in authority. That's my belief anyway. Problem is that many of these kids no longer respect the authority within their own homes so why should they feel threatened by authority outside of it?? responses please...........

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Oooh Tealeaf!!! I knew that behind that sensible exterior there was a naughty boy lurking..

Shame on you....:D ;)

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And you have been a naughty boy ever since I suppose ;)

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We live in an era when everyone knows their rights, but too few know the responsbilities that go with those rights. Unless we make a strenuous effort to educate children in how to be responsible and decent adults, we will never make any progress. We should teach children self-respect and respect for others, I do agree. And yes, there should be punishment for those who do not toe the line - not rewards. as is all too often the case. If you do wrong, you should suffer for it in one way or another.

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When we were kids how many of us wanted to go or were dragged to Church Sunday school e.t.c? Where we learned about God's wrath if you did wrong. IMO respect went out the window when secularisation came in. A lot of kids nowadays grow up not even knowing who or what God is! Another point is the community has all but gone. When I was a kid if I did anything wrong It was guarenteed that Aunty so&so or Uncle such & such (who were no relation) would see you and tell my Parents. Sadly this seems to have all but disappeared with people keeping themselves to themselves.

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The attitude of some young people was summned up for me the other day,when I was talking to a young aquaintance who is in her late teens.Noticing she seemed a bit subdued(not her usual boistrous self)I asked her what the matter was.
The reply was that she had no money,'because the people at the social can't get off their lazy ar### and give me my 87 quid!'(per fortnight)

Now for one reason or another this girl has never done a days work since leaving school,so here I am paying taxes so such as this whinger can accuse the system of letting her down in not being prompt with her free handouts.

The sadder thing is, she could not see the irony of the situation,I really do despair for the future of this country,for she and her like will soon no longer be the minority case but the norm.

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I had to deal with people like that on a daily basis.

That's why I escaped from there at the earliest opportunity