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Seems like that piece of work is after a reduced sentence to me.:rolleyes:
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Sorry Accyman, yes the body, Fitzpatrick has aparently told the police that He buried him at Admirals Wood, in Bolton by Bowland according to The Observer
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minimum of 20 years, but then if you dont admit guilt ans show remorse no parole
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glad his family will finally get him back and give him a propper funeral.Still wont alter the fact he is no longer with them they will be effected for the rest of their lives and that is why life should mean life for murder. Its along time since i have spoken to relatives of david but the last time i did there was some small amount of comfort that the person who did it was stuck in a small cell rotting and i would hate to see that alter any time soon or at all |
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You lot need to shut up and get a lot of facts right before you start spouting your mouths off on here, so keep your comments to yourself unless you know all about this story, I've known Shane for ages and he is on off the kindest people you could ever meet, yeh he done one bad mistake in his life, we all make mistakes and now he paying for it, he done right telling we're body is and ill be right behind him on everything he does!!!!
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This man is the kindest person you could wish to meet?
He only made one bad mistake? I think you are a master of understatment there. He has taken 7 years to tell the police where his victims body is. Do you consider that to be a kind action? To leave this man's family without closure for seven years? |
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It certainly looks that way to me. :( |
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No I haven't let emotion cloud my judgement, you seriously need to know Shane and all the story behind why he did it and it makes perfect sense, there are reasons for everything!!
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Margaret like I said you need to know the all story and I'm sure put in that situation u would do the same!!!
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Why don't you elaborate the reasons that(in your opinion) make it ok and sense to commit murder ?
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sorry you may be party to more of "the facts" than some of us, but as far as i was aware he denied the crime for 7 years, no remorse until now a bad mistake is ringing the police immediately and confessing your crime, not premeditated an d laying in wait wearing a balaclava, the trial judge described this as a professional killing. dont try and defend the undefindable! the guy is a murderer, and to my mind should have hung for his crime! and because i am a citizen of this country i have the right to speak my mind |
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You surely cannot justify a murder and pleading innocence...then 7 years later admitting what he did and finally telling where the remains are.
Murder...the taking of a life.......there isn't a good reason for it...you may think there is.....as for a perfect reason, NEVER. And while you may consider yourself to be a friend of this man, it is no reason to post a nasty threatening(well it seemed threatening to me) post...more so, seeing as it is the first one you have made on here. |
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Do any off you know Shane answer that question??????
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Or are you just reading the facts put in the paper?????
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If you don't know the truth just shut up and don't comment ok!!!!
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Do you know what David was really like?????
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Doesn't matter if you know him or not. You have the knowledge of a set of circumstances where you think it makes sense to commit murder-- This again was my question. It was not my opinion on this subject
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no i dont know him, dont need to he murdered someone FACT he denied his crime FACT he tried to cover up his crime FACT |
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To me you all just sound like noisy busy bodies that want to comment on something which doesn't mean anything too you !!!!
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It doesn't matter whether we know Shane or not...his actions were NOT those of a kind or gentle person.
And as a matter of fact, I knew Shane as a boy and both of his parents. You cannot get away from the fact that he took a life and then lied about doing it(well, he pleaded innocent). |
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Now, why don't you tell us the facts as you claim them to be, it's a quiet night on television we could do with your input. |
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To me you just sound like yer mate thats in nick.:rolleyes:
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I didn't say he was innocent, but people do things for a reason and he did it for reason, I rest my case!!!
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Blimey cashman your quick, no I'm just commenting on summat I don't know!!!
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ok you say we dont know what the victim was really like, and you imply he deserved it. if someone did something to my family that i felt justified enough to end their life (and i can think of lots of instances) i would do it then quite happily hand myself in! |
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Yeh it's forum and I can come on here and defend my friend, not bothered if people don't shut up, but I'm not guna have my mate slagged off, when no one knows wot a horrible person David was!!!!
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No, you didn't say he was innocent...it was Shane who said he was innocent....for seven years.
There is no justification for murder. No good reason......if you think there is a good reason, you are deluded. |
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so it is alright for you to bad mouth a dead man...a man who was murdered and cannot defend himself...what a moral person you are!
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Thank you church, I agree with you, he is a murderer yeh and yeh he shut have handed his self in, but he had reasons, which I cannot say on here!!!
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im a horrible person, does that mean anyone can just come round beat me to death, and not be punished?
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Yeh Margaret I've been saying that about jimmy saville ,not here to defend hisself, so the government and police are just like me then eh!!!
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Church trust me you would be nothing like David!!!
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I don't want to know what his reasons were for murdering the man, but the fact that he has denied that he did it and kept quiet about the remains until now, seven long years......would there be a reason for that too?
Admission, remorse(genuine or not) finding God, cynic that I am.....makes me think he has an ulterior motive. |
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and your and mine and anyone elses definition of "a horrible man" differ too much to use it as an excuse for a cowardly act |
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Look you lot can say wot you want on here, but none off you know the full story and I have the right to stand up for my friend!!!
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It's exactly the same Margaret!!!
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You dont need a full story, he commited murder, he denied the fact, He has now admitted it, so the jury were correct, its that simple hes a murderer, no excuse.
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your defensive of him says more about you than it does about us there is a difference between standing by a friend and understanding why he committed a crime than condoning it |
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Less I'm really guna tell a load off strangers arnt I Derrr!!!
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Well yeh told strangers what a nice guy a murderer is didn't yeh.
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Not the same at all........Jimmy Savile was a Paedophile...he didn't murder anyone, deny it and spend 7 years keeping quiet about the remains......and we only have your say so that the victim was a 'horrible' man.
The only thing that Jimmy Savile has in common with this is that both he and David Guilfoyle are dead..........it seems that on the balance of evidence Jimmy Savile was a bad man who did good things(some of the time...and for his own selfish reasons)....David Guilfoyle.....well, we don't know if he did bad things or not...unless we would like to believe you...but you are defending a convicted murderer...so NO...I think I will pass on that . |
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If your answer is "no" then your opinions are as biased as those, who, in your opinion gained their information from the press. Your "facts" come from a man accused & sentenced for murder. There is as they say two sides to every story, sadly in this case the counter argument can't be sought as the individual concerned isn't here to speak for himself. As to perfect sense for committing murder, I really can't agree myself. Perhaps if the complete facts were available an understanding as to the why & wherefore could be ascertained & perceived, but "perfect sense" I think not. |
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I knew Shane. He came in the shop where I worked all the time. The day before he was arrested he was in there laughing and joking with the staff. Feel sick when I think about it. The creep. Never thought of him as a nice guy.
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hey we all need to shut up because the murderers buddy thinks its unfair to judge someone because they merely killed someone .
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i have to agree in part to what PAZ 1976 says,no one knows the true circumstances that lead to this tragic event,maybe it was the fact that david guilfoyles was shack up with this mans ex partner,maybe it could be classed as a crime of passion,who knows,what we dont need are people opening old wounds and slagging each other off on here,i still get that but thats what free speech is all about in this country,so please accept the moderators rules on here and let this subject lie,it wont bring david guilfoyle back or change anything just let it rest and give his family the respect and space they need to come to terms with this tragic event.
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There is no such thing as a 'crime of passion'...it is a term(a bit like 'honour killing') that those who commit the crime of murder use, to try and 'sanitise' their crime of murder.
I understand that this discussion could be painful to the family of the victim, but should we just have stood by and let this new member defend the murderer? To try and tell us he is a good man, and to justify his crime by telling us that he had his reasons, but that we are not allowed to know them. In that way to defile the name of David Guilfoyle with his innuendo...but nothing to substantiate it. My posts to this thread are now done. I hope they find David Guilfoyle and return him to his family, for him to be given a proper resting place. I also hope we hear no more from this new member....we do not need people to be our moral compass. |
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i often wonder that if the roles were reversed would these people have the same forgiving attitudes, or is it more a case of "leave me alone, ive served my time" well im sorry the murderer should have swung, and the other should of had his testicles removed with a cold chisel and 12lb lump hammer without anaesthetic and been left to bleed to death on the town hall steps THEN JUSTICE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE!!!!!!!!! |
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A cynical confession in my eyes, most people I know were expecting a confession and remorse so Shane can secure his parole when the time comes. I knew Shane (not well) and David who was a freind.
7 years Davids family and friends still havent had a funeral. Shane was not such a nice guy before the murder, he had a reputation as a nutcase and Dave was warned to be careful when he was seeing Shanes ex. Shane has attempted to escape from Prison not that long into his sentence and it was reported as one of nearest miss escapes from a high security prison. In the trial it was reported on the night of the disappearance Shane and his Son were dressed in black leaving the house at night, maybe now his son can answer to what his part was in the matter and maybe be prosecuted for perjury as part of Shanes albi. Dave was popular and well known on the pub scene especially with his talent for snooker and pool, he was a nice, generous, funny guy. yes he had faults but never deserved to be murdered by the cold and calculated jealous Fitzpatrick. |
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There is an attitude on this forum that 'you should not speak ill of the dead', which I do not adhere to.
I do not know the victim or his murderer but the press has described both as rogues. I seriously doubt anything that the press reports, but having seen the victim described as 'wheeler dealer', 'womaniser', who gained financially from illegal activity, I can relate this to my own experience, having married a con man with the same traits. (they are usually 'charmers' too) Neither of the two, victim and murderer, deserve any words of support. |
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There also seems to be n attitude on this forum, that murder is wrong under any circumstance, I aint noticed yeh adhere to that neither margaret?
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The number of persons who had motive was likely daunting to the police:D I am anti death penalty. It isn't really necessary because rogues have a tendency to eliminate each other. |
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I know I said I wouldn't post again to this thread, but I have to.
It doesn't matter what David Guilfoyle did...or whether he was a rogue, a womaniser, a wheeler dealer. He was the victim...his life was snuffed out by someone (who we're told is a kind and considerate man - or words to the effect) that someone was Shane Fitzpatrick - he has admitted it now. What made him think that he had the right to be judge, jury and executioner? Whatever David Guilfoyle did.....it surely couldn't be bad enough to warrant the ending of his life.......after all, we don't even do that to murderers...do we? |
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Like I say I was just sticking up for my mate, it's true wot one member says, let this rest as I know the truth and slagging each other off is not guna solve anything, I apologise for any offence caused on here, but leave his son out off this, do not talk of his son in that way, and unless you really know what went on then please don't speculate on something's you clearly don't know.
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One aspect that I don't think has been explored is the fact that at the time of this epistle no body has been found, and we have to at least contemplate that it may not be the truth, I have heard of a different location third hand, but no proof. So lets see if the admission is as genuine as is accepted by the authorities. |
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it was only a matter of time before he came to grief. Now he purports to have found God........yes well, maybe he has...for the wrong reason. The reason which Less alludes to. |
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it was reported on the news on real radio this evening that police are suspecting they have been led on a wild goose chase but are continueing to search in the area confessed to.
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He's given false hope to Guilfoyles family then? Surely he will get more on his sentance for wasting police time, if this is the case?
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you lot need to get a life seriously, nowt better to do than go on and on well funny honest!!!!!, Love looking what gets on yourlots nerves, you lot are just noisy sods with nowt else better to do and some off you saying oh i knew off his violence well you just read that from newspapers, OMG get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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see you going off the news again you lot make me laugh?????
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Just look whats happened since they closed Brockhall.:rolleyes:
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I think I know who should get a life....and it isn't the so called nosy sods on here. You do not get on my nerves. Cart on lad. If you want this all to go away, it won't...not while ever you keep stoking the flames with your puerile rantings.You would be far better to go back to the stone you crawled from. Well, I know it is only my opinion, but there you go. |
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I think you should go away now and consider adding an 'S' to your name |
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Perhaps you need to consider the life your bestest kindest mate snuffed out? No, you are right, your mate did us all a favour by killing someone, Eldorado here we come. |
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Police have found a body
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Search for David Guilfoyle: update - Lancashire Constabulary We can confirm that officers searching an area of Admiral's Wood near Bolton by Bowland have found a body. |
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Please everyone think about the victims daughter and what she must be going through after all she is the innocent in this awful business and it is her father when all is said and done..Lets hope she finds closure and that she can lay her father to rest at last.
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Im sure almost everyone agrees that what his daughter and family went through and have had to re live yet again is one of the most horrifying things someone can go through and i am also sure that everyone will be thankfull that they have finally got the closure they should have gotten years ago if they have indeed found david. If anything the majority of this thread shows that people had an idea of who he was and in no way deserved what happened.The fact that so many people on here and all over town are saying that he didnt deserve what happened shows testament to what a popular man he was. |
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Personally, I think the family of David Guilfoyle would be happy to have his reputation defended in such a way. I'm glad that they have found the body. Now perhaps he can be laid to rest by his family, and they can achieve some kind of peace in their lives. |
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yeh, glad they found the body, and that shane wasnt sending on goose chase, as some people said, yeh you are right i do feel sorry for his daughter cos she hasnt done anything wrong, sorry to sam, there always people who have to pick pieces up for other peoples wrong doings!!!, and that it is wrong for someone to take someones life, but as i have said there always a reason for things!!!!!
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Paz1976, Killing someone in the heat of the moment, such as coming home to find your partner engaging in coitus and going to the kitchen for a knife etc etc is one thing.
However when you dress in Dark clothing, commit murder then puts the body in a vehicle, drive said vehicle to burial site, put the body in the ground, protest your innocence for several years after and only when you realise you may get out early, change your story and tell where you left the body is cold blooded murder. end of, not open for discussion. Next you will be sticking up Moors Murderers, after all there's still one poor soul still out there yet to be found. What Fitzpatrick did is the most heinous crime, not only to MURDER someone but HIDE THE BODY as well and you think we should feel sorry for him as he has found God and repented..... You'll be banned soon, 22 posts so far and the vast majority sticking up for a MURDERER. |
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Yes this person wont be banned.... Good point less.
I think this thread however should be. Negative on the site on a whole |
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It has just been confirmed that the body they found is David
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thats good (in a way) at least his family can have a proper funeral now
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