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Anyone seen the new Racial and Religious Hatred Bill?

If this goes through, it will be a crime to speak ill of any religion, including Satanists and those African cults that believe in abusing children (members of which were recently convicted of child cruelty). It will be no defence to have good reason to make such remarks. The fact that they are true is also no defence.

What price freedom? - except for lunatics and sadists.

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This is the most ridiculous thing the PC brigade have come up with yet. Don't they even realise that just making it illegal to voice an opinion doesn't stop people having those opinions anyway? Re-education is what's needed.

All this sort of thing does is cause more racial hatred and resentment.

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It looks like I will be getting in a lot of trouble then.

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I wonder if the legislation will be applied to all sectors and all so-called minorities.

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I can see a lot of people locked up the next time Jehovahs witnesses or Mormons do the rounds. Can the PC not introdue a bill to stop the door knockers who always seem to appear when your in the middle of something & insist on you giving them 5 minutes of your time. And before I am reported for religious hatred I have nothing against them I'd just prefer it if they didn't knock on my door.

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Just say no thank you and shut the door.

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Why has it been banned as well? :D

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looks like i'm about to become a criminal then !lol

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I invited them to come and spend five minutes with me at the Parish Church. I haven't seen them since.

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No, do you have a link top it somewhere? How will this affect things like internet message boards?

I do believe in communist russia they had stupid rules like this, I think it generally ended up in you being killed or just dissapearing for daring to have your own opinion.. Fortunately Russia is moving forwards.....

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Here you go, Roy

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...648528,00.html

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Yep, I've seen it. Anyone intrested can take a look at the following link. It will get worse before it gets better.

http://www.publications.parliament.u...11/2006011.htm

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This Bill will not generate tolerance.

Many of the things that are perceived as being offensive to other religions do not cause offence at all........so will they put the cross back in the crematorium........and the Bibles back in patients lockers.......?

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i wonder if they will arrest that muslim cleric that preeches in the street that christians are beneath dogs and our children should be slaughtered

forget his name

guy with hooks for hands

no no no not captain hook lol

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What a load of rubbish, freedom of speech is a lost cause unless you are saying what the pc brigade want to hear.This in my opinion will cause a greater amount of racial tension.

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i wonder if jedi are protected under this law

anyone who says the new starwars is crap will go to jail lol

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Chav......do you mean Abu Hamza......?
I thought he was on house arrest. This is the guy that got a brand new people mover vehicle courtesy of the British tax payer.
Would it be illegal for me to call him a sponger?

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I think perhaps we had all better move in with Roy in Russia.

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Only by the do-gooders who think that openly celebrating it causes offence to other religions. Come to think of it, maybe that would be covered by the bill in that case! Of course in reality the people who are supposedly offended don't have any problem with it at all. It's like removing the Gideon's Bibles etc. Why can't we still have them and have the other options as well?

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Originally Posted by DebbieJ I can see a lot of people locked up the next time Jehovahs witnesses or Mormons do the rounds. Can the PC not introdue a bill to stop the door knockers who always seem to appear when your in the middle of something & insist on you giving them 5 minutes of your time.

I can't speak for the Jehovah's Witnesses but I'm a Mormon (or to give us the proper name - a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and have been a missionary so know how they ought to behave. It is preferred for them to approach people who actually express an interest in knowing about the chuch and they'd much rather do that than go from door to door but when they have no actual "referrals" they do call on people unannounced. If you politely tell them that you aren't interested and ask them to leave then that is exactly what they should do. The young missionaries (lads of 19 -21 and young women a little older) do 2 years voluntary missionary service, usually something they have saved up to fund throughout their childhood. Older couples who are retired do serve as missionaries too but they usually work within the church organisation in temples or something. None of them should ever make nuisances of themselves and if they do it is very much frowned upon. Having said that I do know that some can be over-keen and so enthusiastic that they can't understand why people don't want to hear what they've got to say.

Years ago I had some Jehovah's Witnesses call here and I invited them in to discuss what they wanted to talk about. One of them actually ended up leaving here with a copy of the Book of Mormon - maybe that's why I haven't seen them since. :D

A JW friend of mine once invited me round to their church, possibly thinking that I wouldn't go but I did because I'm a curious sort of person and I found it quite fascinating. It's interesting to learn about different things even if we don't totally agree with them.

It will be a great shame if this bill frightens people off from each other or from discussing each other's religions for fear of breaking the law if we express disagreement. I can disagree with what people believe in but still respect their choice to believe it.

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[QUOTE=Roy]No, do you have a link top it somewhere? How will this affect things like internet message boards?

I think it will impede on the right to self expression and undoubtedly result in a modification in how we all address these issues. I would think that the Moderators will need to be a more politically motivated in ensuring that members don’t bring the site into disrepute, I think the bill would require us to do a little house cleaning in respect of what we may have previously written in regard to this matter.

I am not suggesting that we should wipe out any trace of racial, cultural or religious discussion on the site, but for the sake of common sense we should take steps to ensure that the site and ourselves are protected from those pillocks who will be looking in all the nooks and crannies for someone or something to have a go at. In the mean time I look forward for the first Christian Challenge under the Bill and how the Government responds.

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Interesting. I wonder how this will affect political discussion in Northern Ireland?

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They are still there. I can personally vouch for them being at QPH and BRI having been in both recently

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I thought this site was hosted in the US and the owner is in Russia. How can UK laws affect AccyWeb?

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I personally find anyone knocking on my door that I don't know to be a nuisance. It does not matter if they are selling double glazing or are members of some religious sect or another, they are a nuisance.

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It seems that slowly but surely the powers that be are eroding our freedoms. Will there come a time when a group of more than 3 people meeting is seen as a conspiracy???? If so, our Accyweb meetings will have to stop:eek: ;)

Seriously though, there is a big difference between saying to someone "I don't agree with certain aspects of your religion." and inciting religious hatred. It will be interesting to see just where the law will draw the line.

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It wont affect me or the site, but it could affect the UK users of accyweb... Us expats will be able to say what we like and the rest of you will have to keep stum incase the informers go and tell the KGB, sorry, UK police force.. It looks like thats the way the UK government want to go.... :)

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I can, and will, continue to call it as I see it.
How do the Though Police & Mind Controllers know where we are anyway?

Looking at your profile, Royski, you are in Moscow out of arms reach. Looking at my profile, I too am overseas. Not a lot they can do then, is there. :rolleyes:

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We could all PM you our sick racist views and you could post them for us :D :D :D

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i suppose there are ways that can make it appear that you are connecting from another country lol

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Lettie hit the nail on the head. It's supposed to be there to prevent people inciting others to racial/religious hatred. Simply disagreeing with what others believe isn't inciting hatred. It will indeed be very interesting to see where the lines are drawn.

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Anyone who voted for a left wing party can have nothing to whinge about, it's always the same if you're a minority you're ok, my view is religion of any kind should be banned then we're all the same but then again I'm sure the PC brigade would find something else to move on to.

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what for neil what are the people of this country going to do about it !all the a.s.h.es of this country are getting too laxy-daisey they can see it happening on there teles they have a whinge and forget about it until it happens! Yes and all of a sudden its to late. come back graham and explain all this road charge to the w.n.e.s that voted labour back in!!!!

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They are going to need to start building some new jails I think.

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I suppose it is one way to get your nails done and an aromatherapy massage......oh and a gym session or two.

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:mad: I personally would do a stint in prison before I was gagged for voicing an opinion.

I was brought up to believe I lived in a country with freedom of speech and expression and will exercise it at every given opportunity, bloody do-gooders!

From experience ethnic minorities give as good as they get if not better! I wonder next time I ask one of our asian friends to stop holding up traffic on Willows Lane while they sit double parked talking in their cars and get the usual 'f*** off you white b****' insult, if I ring the police will they be done for a race hate crime? Some how I doubt it I will probably be asked by the police to find an alternative route round them!!

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Its ok for you.
You could just slip between the bars ( or walk under them ) :D :D :D

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I will go to prison with Tinkerbelle ..... Then If she does not quite slip through the bars ??? I can use her hair grip and pick the locks :)

And we can both spout of our opinion's as we escape :)

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I will send a nail file in a fairy cake for you. You maybe banged up, but will be beautifully buffed.

Talons, will also keep the lezzers of you Tinks. :)

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Tinks has just had 2nd thoughts about prison and might just keep her gob shut instead ;)

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Yeah right, fat chance of that. Send us a VO and we will come and visit.

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I think there might be a few of us in there with you Tinks.

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Do you think that they will permit an Accyweb meeting in the clink, and if so would they let us book Easy Street for a session of rehabilitative maraca shaking?..:D

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I love a fairy cake mmmmm.

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This is PC gone stark starring mad and only highlights that slowly but surely Islam is taking over this country.

Dave Allen must be turning in his grave.

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Does this bill contravene my human rights........? According to article 10 it is my human right to have 'freedom of expression'.

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Willow... this bill is long on words but very short on definitions, and I think that will be its failing......it is just too open to interpretation.

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I'm an atheist, am I covered by this bill or am I exempt on the grounds that I do not suffer any religion with anything but contempt?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_124.gif

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That is why we should all start doing something about it, but would rather waste our lives
living a dream instead of focusing on the reality that this country is becoming the most retarded soft headed nation of all time, you beleive everything your government says and
never question authority because you dont want to beleive in the truth because deep down you know that in order for this corruption to be eliminated many billions of humans will die
including servants, masters, and even monarchys...all because of your genuine but distorted
charitable attitude which has led you to be deluded in the beleif that if the problem is silenced
it may go away...(the same happened with child abuse in 19thc ) NOW...if there are any smart honest decent people out there who beleive in the truth (and of course not offended by these written words) these next words only apply to you...as for the rest of the b.b.e.,s
on this planet, you can go back to your vodka and viagra, bmw,s and rockports, unisex clothing and sodomite designed accessories, nhs precribed drugs and money worship (i could go on for eons), and an omnibutic soapfest thrown in to provide maximum distraction / DELUSION...(9)

(6)
The world is on the brink of collapse, we are being dictated to by brussells (and paying them for this torture), nations are rising up against nations, the churches are corrupted by sodomites, the dead are walking the earth (george best is a good example and children born through ivf etc) newer more deadlier deseases and viruses are being brought in through the front doors of every airport in britain by "carriers", and by the time the government act it will be too late, resulting in anarchy and chaos which will spell the end
to what was (and could be still) the greatest country ive ever been born in, i love this country so much that i would, and will if it comes to it die fighting to save us all from this absurd notion that everyone on this planet is born equal...that mistake will cost you your souls,(some peoples brains run on slower frequences and are slower to take things in!) my family have spent over 1200 years in this land, laying down our lives so that you all could live with relative freedom and ease...power to the people? YOUR A JOKE...(the bbe,s)
i would rather trust one person with real intellect and wisdom rather than a billion pretentious cretins with a voting slip any day! the problem is that when the sheep realise the truth is actually The Truth, will their tiny minds be able to hack it, considering the things they are going to have to do in order to stay alive? ...still they can always get something stronger from the doctor so that they can take their little pills and sit on their asses and rock away like theres no tomorrow while all around them all hell breaks loose...

incidently if you are offended by this then i can only say GOOD.
if ive exited your neurons and made your synapses leap about in your brain looking for a conclusion then im half way there, and so are you...
the truth is like an event horizon whereas if you go near it, it will suck you in...
then when you digest the truth and accept the truth, and realise you have all been had
you will explode with such rage you will want to inflict maximum damage to all the corruption which surrounds you, that is your own personal SUPERNOVA of the mind...
now you have the same problems as i do...you tell people the truth and they laugh in your face and call you mad and then they bend down and take it up the ass from europe as usual...its about time the true patriots of this country get together for the last time before the final battle which is to come in the not so distant future commences ...
...end of note...(3)
hi!
this is some text i got from a taped interview with a good freind who has been treat like **** in his own country by nothing more than ignorant morons who like to conform to mans
laws (politics) i beleive him cus ive just received a comprehensive history of the conclusions he has come to and i cannot say he is a liar, or deluded...far from it...i can only say in my own opinion that something really bad is going to happen within the next decade...and we should all be preparing for the worst possible scenario...
all the best....Michael

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You are exempt Les as everyone knows you won't keep your mouth shut for anyone and we all know that you will air your thoughts come hell or high water.

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reckon i will be exempt as well then,never been known for keepings ones gob shut.

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you and me too........

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Just don't tell the Vicar you didn't like his sermon next Sunday ........

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Why on earth not? If he is talking bull**** tell him.

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Ok but the HOOK man has been in belmarsh prison for the last 5 months accused ( and rightly so ) of inciting racial violence .. so it works both ways.

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[QUOTE=the real michael]That is why we should all start doing something about it, but would rather waste our lives
living a dream instead of focusing on the reality that this country is becoming the most retarded soft headed nation of all time, you beleive everything your government says and
never question authority because you dont want to beleive in the truth because deep down you know that in order for this corruption to be eliminated many billions of humans will die
including servants, masters, and even monarchys...all because of your genuine but distorted
charitable attitude which has led you to be deluded in the beleif that if the problem is silenced
it may go away...(the same happened with child abuse in 19thc ) NOW...if there are any smart honest decent people out there who beleive in the truth (and of course not offended by these written words) these next words only apply to you...as for the rest of the b.b.e.,s
on this planet, you can go back to your vodka and viagra, bmw,s and rockports, unisex clothing and sodomite designed accessories, nhs precribed drugs and money worship (i could go on for eons), and an omnibutic soapfest thrown in to provide maximum distraction / DELUSION...(9)

(6)
The world is on the brink of collapse, we are being dictated to by brussells (and paying them for this torture), nations are rising up against nations, the churches are corrupted by sodomites, the dead are walking the earth (george best is a good example and children born through ivf etc) newer more deadlier deseases and viruses are being brought in through the front doors of every airport in britain by "carriers", and by the time the government act it will be too late, resulting in anarchy and chaos which will spell the end
to what was (and could be still) the greatest country ive ever been born in, i love this country so much that i would, and will if it comes to it die fighting to save us all from this absurd notion that everyone on this planet is born equal...that mistake will cost you your souls,(some peoples brains run on slower frequences and are slower to take things in!) my family have spent over 1200 years in this land, laying down our lives so that you all could live with relative freedom and ease...power to the people? YOUR A JOKE...(the bbe,s)
i would rather trust one person with real intellect and wisdom rather than a billion pretentious cretins with a voting slip any day! the problem is that when the sheep realise the truth is actually The Truth, will their tiny minds be able to hack it, considering the things they are going to have to do in order to stay alive? ...still they can always get something stronger from the doctor so that they can take their little pills and sit on their asses and rock away like theres no tomorrow while all around them all hell breaks loose...

ARE YOU THE MAD BLOKE THAT USED TO GET ON THE 47 BUS AT 07.30 IN THE MORNING? PREECHIN? IF SO WE DID HAVE WORK TO GO TO YOU ****

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this is some text i got from a taped interview with a good freind who has been treat like ****


no i am not mad.... i am "i am" ...so you shoot the messenger too?
typical wigger

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Dave allan wouldn't be turning cos nothing he said or did would have been covered by this law. A dave allan sketch/joke wasn't/isn't meant to incite racial or religious hatred. Not liking a race or religion isn't the same as hating them. You speak of definitions, the border of where the law comes in will be a grey area, that area will be decided by government in each case as I understand it, but most things said will obviously not be meant to incite hatred. Abuse to you tink is just abuse, give some back. But start saying you should all be burned at a stake for being black and that’s definitely gone over the line and is what the bill is designed to stop; Hatred that most of you wouldn't find acceptable in our society. This bill will not deal with petty complaints of racism, it's meant to deal with terrorist groups, or groups that started the race riots, I really can't see the government letting the strength and seriousness of this law being watered down by dealing with petty crimes with it.