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Busman747 20-08-2005 03:08

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On the day that the twin towers were struck, a Boing 757 was supposedly ramming the Pentagon at the same time........but despite multiple deaths, have you noticed that little has been made of this?

I don't generally fall for "conspiracy" theories but this film clip is certainly interesting! Have a gander and tell me what you think!:cool:

http://www.neiu.edu/%7Eayjamess/hmmm.htm#Main

scooby12 20-08-2005 04:00

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just had a look at the footage busman how clever or good is that.i have not decided as to whether it was for real or maybe a mock up but if there was some form of cover up.you can bet your bottom dollar that the F.B.I. wolud be the first in the queue for confiscating any c.c.t.v footage.
Also what happened on that day was bloody awful dont get me wrong,poor innocent lives doing their every day business and then the pentagon do a staff training exercise on terrorism.
the people of america would love that if that if that ever came out in to the open.

garinda 20-08-2005 09:22

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Intereseting clip, with some unexplained questions raised.

Sadly for the families of the people who died on the plane, their pain and loss is real. I read a very moving book about one of the victims and the messages he managed to get to his family when they knew they were going to die, and the steps some of the passengers apparently took to lessen the devastation this would cause.

lettie 20-08-2005 09:41

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I keep trying to click onto this link and I'm getting the server not found message?????

Romps 20-08-2005 09:54

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getting the same as Lettie but would like to see it.

janet 20-08-2005 09:57

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It's very interesting busman, is it another great american cover up or a mock up.

Are you on broadband lettie or dial up, it may make a difference to whether you can see it or not.

Romps 20-08-2005 09:57

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have got it now

it takes a while tho

http://www.neiu.edu/%7Eayjamess/hmmm.htm#Main


Rhonda

K.S.H 20-08-2005 10:04

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Interesting! I always wondered why they shown plenty of video footage from the twin towers, why didn't they show any of the pentagon?

lettie 20-08-2005 10:13

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I am on broadband, but still getting page cannot be displayed message...

chav1 20-08-2005 10:32

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i think the same argument was brought up in 9/11 farenheit and although i think the guy who made and narated the film is an idiot it does raise some serious questions not only about the crash at the pentagon but the entire 9/11 event

cashman 20-08-2005 12:31

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very interesting clip busman, IF its not a mock up then we should be very worried about who is running things,and making decisions that affect peoples lives.

harwood red 20-08-2005 13:56

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great clip busman, does make you wonder but then whos to say alot of stuff in that clip weren't a load of rubbish. If indeed the plane didn't crash on the pentagon, then where is it??? As there were real people on the flight all which are no longer with us!

Lampman 20-08-2005 14:04

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I have visited quite a few of these conspiracy sites,some more convincing than others.
To me they all beg the question; if as supposed the U.S. Government have a lot to hide and these sites seek to reveal evidence and cause the Government to fall.
With all of the Military resources at G.W.'s command,wouldn't those who seek to reveal be VERY, VERY DEAD?

Bazf 20-08-2005 14:22

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So if men didn't land on the moon and the plane that was on tv didn't really hit the pentegon and 9/11 was a jewsish conspiracy to make the arabs look bad then what about the bombs in London was that MI5 and the people they arrested were set up?
Lets hope that if you belive in that crap then the stuff your smoking is really good.

JohnW 22-08-2005 11:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazf
So if men didn't land on the moon and the plane that was on tv didn't really hit the pentegon and 9/11 was a jewsish conspiracy to make the arabs look bad then what about the bombs in London was that MI5 and the people they arrested were set up?
Lets hope that if you belive in that crap then the stuff your smoking is really good.

Well said Bazf, second all of that.

grannyclaret 22-08-2005 11:28

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get the website not responding.....................oh well

Tealeaf 22-08-2005 11:46

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret
get the website not responding.....................oh well

Don't worry. You're not missing much..its just the usual American crackpot conspiracy theory. There's hundreds of 'em around. Its a little giggle at best.

garinda 22-08-2005 12:05

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We stopped at a roadside caravan in the Trough of Bowland last week.

It was parked on a grassy knoll, she was called Di and he had sideburns.

It couldn't be?

Not the Queen of Hearts and the King of Roll 'n' Roll, running a mobile a greasy spoon in Lancashire???

Tinkerbelle 22-08-2005 12:12

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:rolleyes: mmm interesting footage but to be taken with as much credibility as the Presidency I think.

grego 22-08-2005 14:05

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:confused: Great clip, dont really know what to think, weren't there a plane that crashed in a field close to the Pentagon or am I thinking of something else

baby boo 22-08-2005 15:14

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yes there was but it crashed into a few houses tho if i remember rightly! i dont know what to think of the clip, we didnt really see much of the pentagon ""plane crash"" on tv, it was just mainly the towers, that they show.

Bazf 22-08-2005 15:48

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Watched a great program on National Geographic last night called inside 9/11 have a look at some of the interviews and watch some of the videos you never know you may belive it actually happened.;)



http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/

mani 22-08-2005 19:20

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i think the point that they didnt show much of this footage as compared to the towers is because the pentagon was a military target - the towers were civvy. it evokes more anger for innocents to die than military personel

Busman747 23-08-2005 00:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani
i think the point that they didnt show much of this footage as compared to the towers is because the pentagon was a military target - the towers were civvy. it evokes more anger for innocents to die than military personel

Well said Mani, ----but there must have been room on the T.V. coverage for both. The majority of members on this site DO remember that there was little said about the attack on the Pentagon,but because of the enormity of the twin towers, the attack on the Pentagon was "over-looked!"

I still do not know whether this is factual or a "mock" conspiracy film, but you have to admit, it is convincing. I would LOVE to have the American Government pull these "facts" to pieces,......But I don't think that will happen!

Tinkerbelle 23-08-2005 00:15

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Originally Posted by grego
weren't there a plane that crashed in a field close to the Pentagon or am I thinking of something else

Was the plane that crashed into a field not brought down over Pennsylvania after passengers over powered the hostage takers? ............... I may be wrong ... I frequently am :D

Bazf 23-08-2005 00:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani
i think the point that they didnt show much of this footage as compared to the towers is because the pentagon was a military target - the towers were civvy. it evokes more anger for innocents to die than military personel

And the whole idea was to make people angry :confused:

chav1 23-08-2005 00:41

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i remember the footage of the pentagon been shown on bbc news and the pictures in that clip match what what was shown to my memory to both the bbc news and the film footage in 911/farenheit

although in the film 911/ farenheight some of the facts seemed to be stretched to suit micheal moors purpouses if not true he would have been sued and the film not allowed to be released one would think

ime not saying every theory about 911 is true but somthing stinks about the whole thing in my opinion and i thought that long before that clip was shown on here

each to their own i suppose lol

staggeringman 23-08-2005 00:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda
We stopped at a roadside caravan in the Trough of Bowland last week.

It was parked on a grassy knoll, she was called Di and he had sideburns.

It couldn't be?

Not the Queen of Hearts and the King of Roll 'n' Roll, running a mobile a greasy spoon in Lancashire???

gary did you not realise it was me and mands and less of the greasy thank you! your hot dog was grilled!

Doug 23-08-2005 01:23

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High velocity impact by an aircraft the size of a Boeing 757 would all but disappear. Speed at impact (the aircraft was in a dive) Weight x Ballistic force = terminal velocity + fuel load = partial evaporation, fragmentation and compression.

The cable drums showed where part of the refurbishment programmes in that that quadrant. The area of impacted was recently completed; otherwise the death toll would have been for grater

I once had the misfortune to see the impact of an RAF Phantom after it hit a hill side in Germany. 82% of the aircraft that was recoverable was. Not one piece was bigger than the hand that carried it. grim, very grim.

mani 23-08-2005 02:58

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no hte point isnt to make people angry

the point is that if they see a civvy building being hit they have an inate fear that they may be next. their workplace, school or home.

even most americans know that they'll never work in the pentagon or a high target military building. but then chances of them workin in a high rise office block?

by focusing on th twin towers its playing on that fear of the possible attack. americans as gullible as they are fall for it and are angered that the terrorists hit innocent civilians and thus are prepared to back the prezy to do as he may.

its like this. what would anger u more? what would evoke more powerful emotions in u - images of the london bombings or images of some brit military base in iraq where a similar number of soliders died?

JohnW 23-08-2005 11:44

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Of course 9/11 never happened really. It's all an American conspiracy to get everyone in the western world to hate muslims. GWB had Hollywood mock up the plane crashes and then he commissioned magician David Copperfield to make the twin towers disappear. They're still there really, just can't be seen. Everybody's in there going about their business.:rolleyes:

John_Timmins 23-08-2005 12:00

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maybe the pentagon was not shown as much because very few died compared to the hundreds who died in the twin towers

i know it sounds crude but the news companies wouldnt be able to carry the story for the weeks which they did if they just focused on the pentagons death toll but because of the huge amount of deaths at the twin towers the news companies had many more story to run and many more witnesses than would be true of the pentagon therefore this gives greater impact to the watching public and then they news companies receive higher viewing figures! cause face it how many of you sat there on 9/11 and watched the news in shock for the evening,

Busman747 23-08-2005 22:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnW
Of course 9/11 never happened really. It's all an American conspiracy to get everyone in the western world to hate muslims. GWB had Hollywood mock up the plane crashes and then he commissioned magician David Copperfield to make the twin towers disappear. They're still there really, just can't be seen. Everybody's in there going about their business.:rolleyes:

Well said John, you may well be right!:p Check out the WASHINGTON TIMES!

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing
serious doubts about the collapse of the
WorldTradeCenter on 9-11.



Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at
the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor
emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three
steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling."
Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate
the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of
the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either.

The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

I don't think I believe in these conspiracy stories - - but obviously, a lot of Americans DO!

Bazf 24-08-2005 00:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747
Well said John, you may well be right!:p Check out the WASHINGTON TIMES!
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
I don't think I believe in these conspiracy stories - - but obviously, a lot of Americans DO!

Yeah 1.:rolleyes:

jpest1 24-08-2005 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747
Well said John, you may well be right!:p Check out the WASHINGTON TIMES!

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing
serious doubts about the collapse of the
WorldTradeCenter on 9-11.





I don't think I believe in these conspiracy stories - - but obviously, a lot of Americans DO!

It makes for good reading and debate. But did I not see those planes smash into the twin towers and the collapse of same?

JohnW 24-08-2005 11:01

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We all saw the planes fly into the towers, come on, let's not start disputing that. I suppose if it was possible to bring down the towers in a controlled demolition collapsing in on themselves as they did, that would be preferable to them falling over their whole length and bringing down God knows how many buildings with them and perhaps killing thousands more people. However, there was certainly not enough time for some demolition crew to come in, plan the charge locations, set the charges and bring down the buildings. So, the only way this could have been accomplished, as far as I can see, was if the charges were put in when the building was constructed in order to facilitate such demolition. Does anyone seriously consider we are constructing buildings with built in charges?

cashman 24-08-2005 14:08

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where are we going with this thread? some should be maybe reading aesops fables.lol

chav1 24-08-2005 18:46

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just so you guys know the moon landing was fake

got to be honest i actualy believe it was staged :D


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