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park381 08-10-2005 19:24
Who is this man
 
This weeks observer, ‘Let’s talk up the town and be positive’ have we all been missing something
http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/..._positive.html

Margaret Pilkington 08-10-2005 20:16
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I'm not sure who he is......what I want to know is, has he taken a walk around the market and the lane that leads to Broadway and seen all the graffiti and litter.?

When we have something to be proud of I'll shout it from the roof tops.

grego 08-10-2005 21:11
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I feel the same Margaret, I find it difficult to think of something about Accrington which is positive, I dont find the town centre appealing at all.

accymel 08-10-2005 21:24
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I dunno neither he must be getting paid for it or needs stronger spectacles & i'd like to know where the figures came from too lol

WillowTheWhisp 08-10-2005 21:54
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Where on earth is a university going to go?

Have you seen the top (near Scope) end of Broadway? Looks like they forgot to set those chrome coloured bollards into the tarmac like they have further along so those top ones are now set into squares of white concrete in the black tarmac. Yes very pretty. We may have speculated how long it would take them to start digging it up but I bet none of us dreamed it would be before they'd even finished laying it.

park381 08-10-2005 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
I'm not sure who he is......
No neither was I, may be HBC have imported him ;)

park381 08-10-2005 22:06
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Originally Posted by grego
I feel the same Margaret, I find it difficult to think of something about Accrington which is positive, I dont find the town centre appealing at all.
Watched all the traffic heading for blackburn this morning, then thought I'll go in to accrington, just as I thought the roads leading in were empty, so was accrington :)

Gayle 09-10-2005 11:42
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Ok, so we all agree (again) that there's not a lot to be proud of about Hyndburn at the moment. So, let's look at this a different way - what would you be proud of? What thing could a business or the council introduce that you would actually stand up and say 'I'm proud of this area now'?

Let's stop complaining and let's all think about positive, realistic, achieveable things that we could campaign for or work for that would restore the pride that we're missing.

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 12:33
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Gayle, I would be proud if I could walk around the town centre without seeing discarded drink bottles and bags that have contained Greggs bakery products.......so maybe litter wardens and on the spot fines would do it for me......I dislike the graffiti too.

I think the dropped litter and the graffiti are a symptom of how negative people feel about their surroundings.
I believe if people were proud of the town centre they wouldn't be so disrespectful to drop litter.....or write disparaging comments on the fairly new walls.

I used to think that Burnley was a dump, but having visited the town centre a few weeks ago I was surprised to find that it was clean and well cared for......so whatever they are doing to keep their centre clean and tidy should be imported.

Gayle 09-10-2005 12:38
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You're right about Burnley, Margaret. I used to work there about 15 years ago and it was a bit of a mess back then and I rarely went back. But for the last two years I've been there regularly and it is completely regenerating itself.

accymel 09-10-2005 12:39
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Very true Margaret, you only have to look at the businesses local & the empty premises like ive said before the variety is a lot to be desired.

accymel 09-10-2005 12:43
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I was talking with me dad about it & was on about there's 4 card shops & 2 poundshops !! says a lot were retail is concerned although the best newbie is wilkies but you want variety of retail shopping Burnley & Blackburn hold the ace card over us hence the retail desertion.

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 12:50
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So Gayle, what is it that Burnley are doing to make such a difference....?
Perhaps it would be good to get them to share some of their secrets.

Accrington used to be a lovely town full of fiercely proud people......and folks used to come from miles around for the market and the market hall. I think lots of town centres went into decline when the chain stores moved in.....because there is no diversity any more.
The empty shops and Market stall also give Accrington a very ' faded and past it' air.
Surely they could be let at lower rents to encourage enterprise. It must be more viable to have a shop occupied and a market stall being used than to have them empty.

Lampman 09-10-2005 12:53
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A town's appearance is merely a reflection of the people who live and work there,we often blame councillors and their ilk for the state of the town.Yet how many of us would stop and pick up an item of litter that has nearly made its way to a waste bin?
I was surprised to learn that the unemployed is under 2000,sometimes on my visits to the centre it seems that there are that many loafing about the area.
Accrington's problems arent unique nearby Haslingden has nothing to reccomend it a pass through and expect to see tumbleweeds blowing down the roads!
Further afield Rawtenstall and Ramsbottom have utilised their Train Stations to create thriving tourist attractions.
Accrington has the ability to improve ,it is just lacking the neccessary will(and the odd £1,000,000).
As I've mentioned before the council has shot themselves in the foot by sacking the Warden's, so things I fear,unlike the song will only get worse!

accymel 09-10-2005 13:03
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Think also the towns people in the centre also have some responsibility over the town its not like there aint enough litter bins about!! The one thing i hate about going into town is being harrassed by catalogue pushers, market reasearch is fair enough but the amount of times i dread going past people with clipboards wanting a sale & harranging you for things you dont want !! Im sick of having to tell em that im not interested, gosh they can really be so annoying & pushy, feel sorry for vunerable ones who aren't interested but cant say no.

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 13:17
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I take your point Lampman, but the demographics of the towns are in lots of ways similar..... so what are Burnley doing that is different.....and, that is making a difference?
Because whatever it is, we should look at employing the same methods in Accrington.

Improvements don't always require large amounts of money being spent. In fact, sometimes I think that is where we have got it wrong...we think that by throwing money at a problem it will be solved. It really needs some innovative approaches and maybe some basic 'housekeeping'.

andrewb 09-10-2005 13:17
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I don't even know who the councilers are. The council website is a joke of broken links and pages with no content :(

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 13:18
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Maybe even use those on Community Service to do town centre litter picking and removing graffiti.....they would really be doing the town a service....and it may even get the message across that we need to respect our surroundings.

park381 09-10-2005 13:30
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
I take your point Lampman, but the demographics of the towns are in lots of ways similar..... so what are Burnley doing that is different.....and, that is making a difference?
Because whatever it is, we should look at employing the same methods in Accrington
I thought HBC had formed some sort of partnership with blackburn with darwen for the regeneration of accrington town centre.

Lampman 09-10-2005 13:30
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Surely, Margaret this would breach their Human Rights!There must be a section somewhere that says they should not be held up to public display.:)
As for the grafity writes some of them must be the thickest things on two legs;they spray thir own names/nicknames for all to see and then can't comprehend if/when the police come calling.

accymel 09-10-2005 13:32
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Its amazing how we are all kept informed of things about our town ain't it?!?!?:(

SPUGGIE J 09-10-2005 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
Maybe even use those on Community Service to do town centre litter picking and removing graffiti.....they would really be doing the town a service....and it may even get the message across that we need to respect our surroundings.
The people doing CS might think it is wrong to put them up for public ridicule even if they benifit the community. Someone somewere would find a law that prevents it.

accymel 09-10-2005 13:51
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Hey if they do that then there might be less criminals spuggie LOL

SPUGGIE J 09-10-2005 13:54
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Proberly if the magistrate sentences them to 240 hours of removing chewing gum of pavements on their hands and knees.

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 14:18
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There was a recent article in one of the newspapers about what people on Community service were allowed to do.....in some cases it was very little because there was no-one to supervise them......and on the subject of town centre litter pickers and graffiti cleaners......how would you know that they weren't council employees......? but personally I would label them.....we should know who the law breakers are.....and if they don't want to have their human rights breached......then they should think a bit more about their human responsibilities.....and the communities that they are criminalising.

I think that even TB was in favour of them doing the community stuff in their own community and being labelled as doing community service.....so that the public could see that justice was being done.

It is time we stopped pussyfooting around and made them face up to reality.

Margaret Pilkington 09-10-2005 14:20
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I wouldn't ridicule anyone who was cleaning up the mess and litter in our town centre.....I would applaud them.

Tealeaf 10-10-2005 15:34
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I don't know who the guy is in the Observer, but I do know there is a Serbian bloke with a very similar name on the Most Wanted List of the International War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague. Could it possibly be him, by any chance? Is Accy a good place to go to ground?

garinda 10-10-2005 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Where on earth is a university going to go?

Have you seen the top (near Scope) end of Broadway? Looks like they forgot to set those chrome coloured bollards into the tarmac like they have further along so those top ones are now set into squares of white concrete in the black tarmac. Yes very pretty. We may have speculated how long it would take them to start digging it up but I bet none of us dreamed it would be before they'd even finished laying it.
I quite agree Willow, the quality and the design of the much needed improvements to Broadway are astounding. As well as taking forever, and costing over three hundred thousand pounds, having steel bollards set in black tarmac but bedded in white concrete is bad design in anyones book.

Back to the original thread about what makes us proud of Accy. I think still having the Christmas lights strung up outside the Townhall brings an all year round festive air to the town. Perhaps we could have a special Santa train bringing in tourists to this Lancashire Lapland.

cashman 24-04-2007 21:51
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Well were now 18months down the line from this thread, have things improved?

WillowTheWhisp 24-04-2007 22:05
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Well the square patches of concrete have gone.

garinda 25-04-2007 07:24
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 415207)
Well were now 18months down the line from this thread, have things improved?
No.

More empty shops/charity shops, and a once thriving market dieing on it's arse.:mad:

Margaret Pilkington 25-04-2007 07:56
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And the upper end of Broadway (on which so much of our hard earned cash was spent) has bits of the terracotta coloured resin coming off leaving the bare concrete showing........and the other day the place was covered in litter.
Yesterday the market was a travesty of a market with hardly any stalls.
I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm carping again, but we definitely need some major innovations to bring the town back to a vibrant shopping area that PB thought it would be.

WillowTheWhisp 25-04-2007 08:04
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The much trumpeted food festival was a bit of a non-event too. We had family up from down south and wanted to show them some real traditional Lancashire food.

cashman 25-04-2007 08:32
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 415277)
No.

More empty shops/charity shops, and a once thriving market dieing on it's arse.:mad:
thats my sentiments exactly, thats why i resurected this,thought it was perhaps me being a cynical,sod.;)

Less 25-04-2007 08:49
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I thought we'd been promised a floral village? Isn't that going to be an improvement?:)

maxwell silver 25-04-2007 09:11
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Big trees on Broadway,not these saplings the vandals keep breaking.Call me ignorant but can fully grown trees be uprooted & re-located:confused:

Margaret Pilkington 25-04-2007 09:47
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They, the council, that is......cut down some mature trees at the top of Broadway....the reason they gave were that they were 'dangerous'.
Broadway is a dogs breakfast........it is supposed to look 'chic', but most of the time it just looks a mundane mess. Other councils have done far better with their street furniture.

andrewb 25-04-2007 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 200153)
A town's appearance is merely a reflection of the people who live and work there,we often blame councillors and their ilk for the state of the town.Yet how many of us would stop and pick up an item of litter that has nearly made its way to a waste bin?
I was surprised to learn that the unemployed is under 2000,sometimes on my visits to the centre it seems that there are that many loafing about the area.
Accrington's problems arent unique nearby Haslingden has nothing to reccomend it a pass through and expect to see tumbleweeds blowing down the roads!
Further afield Rawtenstall and Ramsbottom have utilised their Train Stations to create thriving tourist attractions.
Accrington has the ability to improve ,it is just lacking the neccessary will(and the odd £1,000,000).
As I've mentioned before the council has shot themselves in the foot by sacking the Warden's, so things I fear,unlike the song will only get worse!
Just to comment on this as I found out yesterday and didn't previously know, the unemployment figure only includes those who are receieving job seekers allowance and actively looking for work. E.g those who want jobs.

Margaret Pilkington 25-04-2007 10:33
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 415338)
Just to comment on this as I found out yesterday and didn't previously know, the unemployment figure only includes those who are receieving job seekers allowance and actively looking for work. E.g those who want jobs.

Yes it's a bit of a con isn't it? (No pun intended).

claytonender 25-04-2007 21:19
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There are some good specialist shops in Warner Street, maybe the shpooing area needs to be refocused in that area.

The Broadway/Market area are so depressing with an apolopgy for a Market and the pound shops (not forgetting the empty shops).

I find it hard to understand why it has cost so much money to revamp Broadway - why did they need to pay consultants to come up with a plan. Surely returning it to how it was, with the raised flower beds and plenty of forms was all people wanted.

I also think the Market had more character when it was temporaily relocated to Broadway. A thriving vibrant Market would encourage people to want to shop in Accrington, you only have to go to Bury to see how a Market, with lots of different stalls can encourage people to shop in a town. Todmorden has only got a small outdoor Market, but it has several specialist food stalls, which seem to be very well patronised.

garinda 25-04-2007 22:51
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 415650)
I also think the Market had more character when it was temporaily relocated to Broadway. A thriving vibrant Market would encourage people to want to shop in Accrington, you only have to go to Bury to see how a Market, with lots of different stalls can encourage people to shop in a town. Todmorden has only got a small outdoor Market, but it has several specialist food stalls, which seem to be very well patronised.
Clitheroe market used to be a twentieth the size of Accrington's thriving market, now it's bigger and better than our sad excuse for a market place.

Visiting Accrington Market now, is like visiting it on a non-market day in the past. Mostly empty stalls, a very few hardy stalls open, with their fare spread out, and the wind whistling through, blowing tumbleweed.

Bagpuss 25-04-2007 23:10
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 415207)
Well were now 18months down the line from this thread, have things improved?
Nope Britcliffe is still churning out the same old Google Page Ranking and accyweb moderators are still deleting threads without warning, both very annoying.:mad:

garinda 25-04-2007 23:19
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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 415696)
Nope Britcliffe is still churning out the same old Google Page Ranking and accyweb moderators are still deleting threads without warning, both very annoying.:mad:

Pretty 'em up a bit, with a few flowers...none of mine have been deleted.:daisy: :daisy: :daisy:


:D

Bagpuss 26-04-2007 13:30
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 415702)
Pretty 'em up a bit, with a few flowers...none of mine have been deleted.:daisy: :daisy: :daisy:


:D
None of mine have been touched recently but a few I have posted in have disappeared and it's annoying when you don't know why.:rolleyes:

katex 26-04-2007 18:59
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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 415960)
None of mine have been touched recently but a few I have posted in have disappeared and it's annoying when you don't know why.:rolleyes:
A little digression but, yes, think it only polite of the Moderators to PM you to let you know why they decide to delete posts; then you would learn for the next time, like telling a child why they have been punished, etc.

Re. Accy ... I think there is a plenty of regeneration going on at the moment, around the viaduct, Blackburn Road, Broadway,etc., even if you don't personally like it.

Think further plans ahead too per the tender put out to Consultants for a Master Plan for regeneration of the Town Centre and surrounding areas. The fee is huge, so the spending will be huge too ... I await with interest.

Just wondered re. markets in general, do you think they are Nationwide declining, due to cheaper High Street shops ? Clitheroe and places like Skipton thrive I suspect because they are small interesting little towns which attract tourists. Not an industrial town that Accrington used to be. :confused:

garinda 26-04-2007 22:43
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 416102)
A little digression but, yes, think it only polite of the Moderators to PM you to let you know why they decide to delete posts; then you would learn for the next time, like telling a child why they have been punished, etc.

Re. Accy ... I think there is a plenty of regeneration going on at the moment, around the viaduct, Blackburn Road, Broadway,etc., even if you don't personally like it.

Think further plans ahead too per the tender put out to Consultants for a Master Plan for regeneration of the Town Centre and surrounding areas. The fee is huge, so the spending will be huge too ... I await with interest.

Just wondered re. markets in general, do you think they are Nationwide declining, due to cheaper High Street shops ? Clitheroe and places like Skipton thrive I suspect because they are small interesting little towns which attract tourists. Not an industrial town that Accrington used to be. :confused:
As other people have said, Bury still has a thriving market, and you can't say that is down to tourism, and it's quaintness.

garinda 26-04-2007 22:51
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Peter Britcliffe is quoted as saying in this weekend's Accrington Observer that there 'is an inherent design fault with the market'.

This was in response to the fact being raised at a council meeting that there were twelve empty stalls one Saturday in April.

A design fault?

Whoopie doo!

I wonder how much was paid to consultants to come up with a design solution which is so much worse than the previous one?

Brewery, and getting drunk in one spring to mind.

katex 26-04-2007 23:28
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 416292)
As other people have said, Bury still has a thriving market, and you can't say that is down to tourism, and it's quaintness.
So what do you think attracts people to this market rather than ours Garinda ?
Sure nothing to do with design. They're all cold, draughty places and I don't particularly like them very much myself, but what would you like to see there ? and how would you attract a potential stall holder ?

garinda 26-04-2007 23:41
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 416315)
So what do you think attracts people to this market rather than ours Garinda ?
Sure nothing to do with design. They're all cold, draughty places and I don't particularly like them very much myself, but what would you like to see there ? and how would you attract a potential stall holder ?
A good design for a market would have plenty of space to walk between stalls, a covered roof would be a bonus, and like stalls would be grouped together, fruit and veg, fish stalls altogether etc. Pretty much what we had in Accrington before the recent 'improvements'.


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