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park381 07-11-2005 15:02
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I keep meaning to take some photographs of the "improvements" to Broadway for the benefit of ex-pats but I keep forgetting to take my camera out with me.
I don't think there is much to photograph willow, not over impressed by the large area of "black" stuff..............how much is it costing :rolleyes:

Acrylic-bob 07-11-2005 15:54
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That is a very good question, Park. I have seen figures quoted in the Observer of between £25,000 and £250,000, They don't seem to be too sure. Of course that was before construction started. There is now an extra amount to add due to security vans wrecking the newly laid paving stones. So I suppose it's anyone's guess. You can bet however, that it will end up costing a shedload more than the original estimate.

park381 07-11-2005 16:36
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As it happens, I was down there this morning and just happened to have the camera with me....
I think the first pic sums it up a-b, the entrance to Broadway "PoundWorld" on one side and the outdated blue colouring of the old building on the other. They are excellent pics though

cashman 07-11-2005 16:48
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a-b don't mean this nasty,but what a waste of good film lollll

park381 07-11-2005 16:58
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[quote=Graham Jones]Just a couple of responces:

I don't think we have really done well on Housing for a long time. I agree. We have been short sighted and unimaginative. Baxenden, statisically the wealthiest ward and newest build area, now in parts looks tired and aged after just 25 years. I saw them built and they were built quick and cheap back then.
Yes I saw them built as well, no different than other houses being built at the time, one thing is for sure if they were built to the same standard today they would not meet current regulations, but would comply with the regulations at the time they were built, in todays terms the estate was very badly planned, no school, no shops etc.

We did build spacious council housing which has avoided slums being replaced with slums. Where we didn't build spacious Social Housing, and it was built cheaply and to a higher density, it now has much less appeal and accordingly suffers more in my view. Its an interesting comparison on social build.
Is that not the thoughts of the office of the deputy prime minister, build houses of a higher density, more houses per acre, is this not why some developers are including blocks of flats in their schemes now.

If you build poorer housing you attract poorer people and paint a picture of which includes all the problems of poor urban areas of your area.
I would not say poorer houses, but cheaper houses aimed at the lower end of the market

The property price rise isn't based on housing supply and demand. Hyndburn has an over supply of about 2000 [out of 33000] so prices shopuld go down, not up.
Are HBC not taking care of that with the property being knocked down, some of which could have been refurbished to meet the current standards

chav1 07-11-2005 18:20
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a-b don't mean this nasty,but what a waste of good film lollll
shhhh.. dont tell him yet were trying to phase him into the modern world , if he knew about things like digital cameras and the likes it would send him into shock

he still thinks his PC is a typewriter connected to a TV ;)

Graham Jones 07-11-2005 19:51
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Originally Posted by Graham Jones
Just a couple of responces:

We did build spacious council housing which has avoided slums being replaced with slums. Where we didn't build spacious Social Housing, and it was built cheaply and to a higher density, it now has much less appeal and accordingly suffers more in my view. Its an interesting comparison on social build.
Is that not the thoughts of the office of the deputy prime minister, build houses of a higher density, more houses per acre, is this not why some developers are including blocks of flats in their schemes now.
Probably! Obviously the circumstances are different in teh south and three storey build is becoming common, even 4 storey with underground garage. High density housing may pass in London, but it will fail in Hyndburn in my view. Modern slums for modern people! People aspire to space, green spaces and a sense of community.

If you build poorer housing you attract poorer people and paint a picture of which includes all the problems of poor urban areas of your area.
I would not say poorer houses, but cheaper houses aimed at the lower end of the market
I meant that, your right, cheaper houses. Poorer in terms of the poorest people will inevitably have a high occupancy. I am on the Prefered Developer Partner Selection and my view is that we should try to avoid building to the lowest cost, highest density, most profit.

The property price rise isn't based on housing supply and demand. Hyndburn has an over supply of about 2000 [out of 33000] so prices shopuld go down, not up.
Are HBC not taking care of that with the property being knocked down, some of which could have been refurbished to meet the current standards
I mentioned this elsewhere. Property is not linked to supply and demand of tenants/purchasers but like pieces of art, the perceived value tomorrow, next month, next year and with so much private capital in surplus post 9/11 shake down of investors, selling shares for the security of property, all estate agents in Hyndburn have had the 'anonymous investor/speculator call'; "Can you buy me £2million pounds of housing in Hyndburn, any will do!". Price speculation was soaring 12 months before John Prescott even thought about a slum clearance program for the likes of East Lancashire.

park381 07-11-2005 21:47
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Probably! Obviously the circumstances are different in teh south and three storey build is becoming common, even 4 storey with underground garage. High density housing may pass in London, but it will fail in Hyndburn in my view. Modern slums for modern people! People aspire to space, green spaces and a sense of community.
Graham, in the south you say, look no further than Huncoat. The 3/4 storey houses apartment blocks are all ways of complying with Prescotts directive, more houses, living space per acre and cheaper.

garinda 07-11-2005 21:55
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I think the high density housing that is, and has, been demolised, ie: traditional stone built terraced housing, is preferable to some shoddy new builds set in green spaces, that aren't cared for by their tennants/owners, and have to be demolished some twenty years down the line.

Look at Battersea in South London, a traditionally working class area that appreciates, and has restored it's Victorian housing. People want to live there, either to rent or buy, and it's a thriving area now, after being a sh*t hole in the 60's.

park381 07-11-2005 21:55
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Here we have another example of high density housing, and it's in Ossy

park381 07-11-2005 21:58
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I think the high density housing that is, and has, been demolised, ie: traditional stone built terraced housing, is preferable to some shoddy new builds set in green spaces, that aren't cared for by their tennants/owners
The examples I have posted are not on green field sites, but brown field. That type of property is being built as a result of a directive from central gov.

garinda 07-11-2005 22:01
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Glasgow is full of 'high density' housing. A blond or red sandstone appartment in the west end of the city will setyou back well over a quarter of a million pounds. That's if you manage to snag one, with the strange Scottish property law of 'offers over'.

They are still selling like hot Bridie cakes.:)

WillowTheWhisp 07-11-2005 22:03
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Yes, it always amazes me how anyone manages to buy property in Scotland. It seems more like an eBay lottery at times.

garinda 07-11-2005 22:03
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Park I'm all for new builds on brown field sites.

Old reservoir = good.

Site where good terraced houses have been demolished = bad.

park381 07-11-2005 22:04
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I meant that, your right, cheaper houses. Poorer in terms of the poorest people will inevitably have a high occupancy. I am on the Prefered Developer Partner Selection and my view is that we should try to avoid building to the lowest cost, highest density, most profit.
Graham
May be you are on the prefered developer partner selection, but the developer will still follow the guide lines of Central Gov. and the Planners


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