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The allegations are potentially devastating, an abuse of national sovereignty and of human rights: that the CIA has illegally abducted terrorist suspects in Europe, covertly used European airports for transporting terrorist suspects and has been interrogating them in secret prisons.

The controversy is dogging the US Secretary of State even before she arrives in Europe: it was on the agenda of Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the new German Foreign Minister, on his first official visit to America yesterday. On arrival he raised the matter with Kofi Annan, the United Nations Secretary- General, saying: “I presume the seriousness of these (accusations) is being recognised in Washington.”

So the USA comes and finds the terrorists, transports them from Europe, interrorgates them and then puts them in prison. I am sure thats better then letting them run around being "terrorists" and of all the countries to complain Germany!!!!!!!!!!

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I am glad that the issue has been rasied at the United Nations. I believe the actions of the US govenment and CIA (assuming these reports are accurate)are disgraceful. The American's have no such right to carry out these actions whether the people they catch are terrorists or not. Not only under such circumstances could they not possibly have a fair trial but the implication of this is that one would not be needed.

America is not an Empire nor will it ever be one no matter how much they like tho think that they are.

As for Germany making these complaints what has their past got to do with anything? It was a long time ago and things have changed considerably since then. In any case, I was under the impression that the main reason for the last war was to fight for our freedom so that the european nations could be free to govern themselves as free democratic soverign nations. Surely the actions of the americans are no worse than those carried out under the Nazis!

As far as British and American actions are concerned then over the last few years they have acted equally as disgracefully as any despotic regeme they have removed.

If it does turn out to be the case then those responsible in America for these crimes should be brought to book just as anyone else would be under such circumstances.

If there are terrorists operating in Europe then it is to be done under the duristiction and law of the partiuclar host country concerned and not a despotic American organisation who by doing what they do act themselves as terrorists!

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I'm laughing my socks off over this one. I know the lefties love their conspiracy theories, but this one can't be beat. A number of planes have landed for refuelling at various UK and European airports and have taken off again; normal procedure on long-haul flights, whether of a commercial service or not.

Without any evidence whatsoever, the BBC/Guardian/Daily Muslim and the Saddam Independant, along with all the Euro slime have suddenly got it into their heads that these planes are carting poor shackled & drugged suicide bombers & other terrorist scum back & forth between secret camps around the world.

Where are the photographs from inside the planes? Where are the videos of terrorist holding camps? Where are the verifiable accounts of the so-called victims of this gross injustice? The simple truth is that they don't exist; until evidence is found, this must be the biggest non-story since Elvis was rumoured to be drinking in the Stag last Christmas.

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T, you don't need evidence, it's the big bad USA. B W I was mentioning Germany because of the way it treats the Turkish immigrants not because of the 2nd world war.:)

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ok fair enough

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give it a few weeks ,and if its true it wont take long before some red neck national guard's man or woman screws up taking happy snaps ,that never seem to take long to hit the internet or tabloids !!

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if america want to run around kidnapping suspected terrorist then leave them to it ,its good to see somone doing somthing about them :)

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Good point!

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oh!! tony blair had a better idea for known terrorists they are now members of parliment!!!! i also find it amazing that it is ALLEGED america can find all these SUSPECT TERRORISTS when they cant even find the elusive, the one and only usama bin laden! ..yes remember him ???and while we are at it the w m d ..why is it you dont hear much about him and those ???

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Germany, Prestwick Airport for a quick stop over?

Perhaps it's only Elvis going home for Christmas.

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Well at least they are alledgedly doing something about the terrorists. Which is more than can be said here when we make them feel at home and safe.

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binladen is probably living in the uk on benefits and driving around in a disability car which he uses as a taxi

sounds unbelivable but would it realy surprise you if it was true..?

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Rumour has it he is in Brixton living it up under the name of Misolan Anadeb. :D

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and theres me thinking that sun tuz's art of war quote "keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer "was just a cliche!!!

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I don’t condone this form of policing the world; the problem is that if this is true, “and they are admitting that these flights take place” we all have something to worry about. Is this not the same as happened in countries like Argentina back in the 70s? Suspect just being lifted and disappearing? Did we not supposedly fight two wars in the Middle East because Saddam remove his opponents in similar way? The thing that separates us from the average despot is the Rule of Law, when we become above the law, we become despots in our own right do we not. Mr Bush may be becoming a little tyrannical is his approach to his war on Terrorism and is fast becoming a Terrorist in his own right. Where do we draw the line and when should we accept that the rule of law fails in it primary task? And sanction the Americans self imposed right to be policeman, judge and Jury. Don’t get me wrong I do believe that we should spare the system the expense of suffering a terrorist to live in our prisons, a bullet is the only true defence against a person bent on mass murder, but who are the Terrorists now?

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You know its just a bunch of crap, some left wing articles that appear here and there then someone jumps on the band wagon and its a slow news day and someone has to explain in short sentences and one sylable words that really it a load of horse sh it. The only people that actually belive it are daily star readers and they belived a world war 2 bomber landed on the moon.

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But what would we do if they didn’t publish this Horsy doo’s in the first place. I believe that the bomber that landed on the Moon was a Lancaster MK III and the crew all bailed out safety over Lapland and taught Santa air to air evasion techniques when flying in Iraqi airspace. Aircraft recognition was never an American strong point…:rolleyes: :)

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American battle tactics "shoot first ask questions later" gets them in a bit of bother but nobody does anything about it.

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Are you suggesting that various European allies get together and sort them out?:D

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Maybe I should have worded it as "lets get them and worry about it later. Cant imagine the CIA having that much power to do as it pleases without someone in Washington knowing or suspecting something. Even the Americans cannot just fly out to were they please and "borrow" a few people for questions on terrorism as it sticks the international sign of displeasure up to their own govenment and laws. It also would hint at one law for them as the superpower and a different one for everyone else in the world wether friend or foe.

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The word superpower is a bit of a joke really. They are the largest single power certainly, however, they are far from powerful whe compared to the Empires of the last century and further down the time line.

It is also worth noting that the so called gap between 1st and 2nd and third and so on is also not as great as the Americans would have us believe.

Whilst as noted they are the largest power at the minute they have only really held that position since the end of Yeltsin's reign and the collapse of the Soviet Union, so we are talking less than 15 years. In the grand scheme of things this is nothing!

I very very much doubt that the US will be the sinlge most dominant forcre in 20 years from now!

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China is sneaking up quietly behind the Americans in all ways yet do they realise the meaning this will have 20 years from now. Will we have another cold war with USA/Europe on one side and China/Asia on the other? If we do it will make the last cold war look warm. There is a lot of muscle both financial and military in Asia at the moment and a few have grudges.

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But the picture they used was a Shacklton.

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That was the Lancaster predecesor was it not.

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dont forget our very own super power that tones and the other crones are trying to rig up ..THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE why do you think they let all those eastern european countries join and no it wasnt so they could come over here and take all the jobs! its because BIG IS GOOOOOD!!!safety in numbers

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There is no doubt some truth in that Geoff.

However, did you know that the four largest EU countries Germany, France, Britain and Italy together considerably outnumber the US in terms of population, ecconomics, Naval, Air and conventional ground forces!

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thats the general plan !!!its just a matter of the link up ...some time soon our tony president of the united states of europe !!!!why do you think he loves it sooo much ...wants to destroy britain and get rid of your very identidy and history ...oh and the more europeans he can let into britain the less it will feel like england ...the easier the transition to the u.s e....why is it a crime to be english and proud whatever colour and religion we are ,or you im northern irish lol

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Can you trust France and Italy to come up with the goods if required in a USE? I doubt it.