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We were walking through Oakhill park yesterday, when we came across a group of young teenagers (boys and girls) having a competition with each other to see who could climb the highest on the War Memorial.

They weren't even bothered that people walking in the park could see them, they obviously don't care about what people think or about the people who died in the war.

If tha'st what the kids of today are like, what's it going to be like in years to come?

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I think your being very stereotypical. "kids of today". Im 16 (a teenager) Male. And wouldnt think of climbing any war memorial, or doing anything else un-respectable. Wake up and smell the coffeee love. Not ALL 'kids of today' are like that.

An adult was walking down my street, drunk out his face the other night. He was quick to shout abuse and threaten me. (For no apparent reason, yes). The adults of today! What are they like eh!

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Well I suppose I asked for that.

But it does make you wonder if some teenagers and adults are like that today what does the future hold.

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Yes. Lets not seperate 'kids' from 'adults'.

Lets seperate the socialable from the non-socialable.
Its the only way we will ever tackle these problems.
If you want to stop the bad kids. What a better way
to tackle it, with good kids helping you? eh?

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That's up to you Julie.

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Hey Neil. Are you the Friends Of Rhyddings Park Chair Person?

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well, yes, there are some great kids out there that have got respect for property people and themselves.
To be honest, I think that most kids wouldn't dream of climbing a war memorial, some may sit on the bottom if its like steps, but most wouldn't go near it.
Adults behaviour like that is worse, becuase they're supposed to be setting an example to kids. What chance have they got if they've got parents like that. Who's fault is it, is it the bad kids or the pbad parents of bad kids.

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It sounds to me like quite a lot of people would benefit from a trip to the East Lancs' Regimental Museum at Preston, like the visit that was very kindly arranged for one young man by the police last year after he had been found scrawling graffiti on the base of the monument.

I do take the point and I fully agree that it is perhaps expecting too much to demand automatic respect without knowledge. Here perhaps is yet another argument for a museum of Accrington; a place where our past is clearly set out. A place where our young can learn how their forebears felt about being English and a guide to newcomers about what it means to be British.

However, arent our young supposed to learn about the first and second world wars in school? I seem to recall criticism in the national press, not too long ago, that too much emphasis was placed on these two events at the expense of other aspects of our national history.

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I am not sure Bob if the people in question would actually visit a museum.
I agree with the points made about not all young people are at fault. There are several youth groups in the area doing good things for the community. It is a very small percentage of young people that cause most of the problems. When you see a group of teenagers playing football and doing nothing bad most of us will not even notice. When we see a handfull of teenagers climbing on a War Memorial we all notice and instantly blame every teenager in the area.

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90% of kids are good, its the bad ones that are rotten.
Especially when they think its fun to use your car as a goal post on the street ! Those small dints costs hundreads when you come to selling your car on. You tell the kids to clear off and they tell you to f*** Off ! ... then you get your windows put in !

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I think alot of the time its those bad kids that turn into those bad adults and have probably never known any different in which case they have their own children and they dont know how to bring them up and then it turns into a vicious circle of never ending!!

I'm probably wrong but that it the conclusion i come to.

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It's true, bad kids do turn into bad adults and then perpetuate the cycle. It's sad but true that schools so often have to take the place of parents in teaching children right from wrong. However, then you get the Mum who comes down to the school threatening to beat up the teacher who told her dear little one that he/she was behaving antisocially. It's difficult to tell kids off when you see them doing something wrong, being told to f*** off is the mildest thing that can happen - some of them are quite likely to turn on you and beat the living daylights out of you.

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I can only appologise on behalf of the good youths in Hyndburn.

It really does annoy me when the minority spoil it.

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Interesting that you choose to go off on one about a generalistaion here but are guilty of exactly the same sin in the bus driver thread. Perhaps you too should wake up and smell the coffee. I have been on the Internet since before you were quite literally still in your nappies. If there is one piece of advice I would give you it is that whilst you are new here yet you seem hellbent on upsetting people with one of your very first posts. I suggest that when dealing with real ADULT people you learn a bit about respect, consideration and the ability to allow people both the right to an opinion and the right to occasionally make generalistaions when trying to make a point. We are not school kids on here who turn any disagreement into an argument we prefer to debate them politely and rationally.

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entwisi, with all respect....with thomas_045's described experience with adults; is it hardly surprising that he does not see showing respect for other adults fitting?
just like the way a lot of adults, when seeing misbehaving teenagers...generalise all people of the same age as anarchaic youths.

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As Thomas stikes me as rather eloquent for a 16 YO I would be forgiven for assuming he has more than an ounce of intelligence and therefore is capable of seeing past an individual bad experience. Julies original post was based around a generalistaion to make a point and to stir healthy debate. I just felt he was rather heavy handed for a newbie poster, Less for example I would have expected to retort like that as that is what we know and love Less for :)

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Wouldnt Thomas's post also come under that of his opinion too?? I admit sometimes when people victimise young people for doing silly things that i would be classed as a young one? and that everyone would be pointing a finger at me? im a good person and am very ashamed when young people do "naughty things' it makes people look at me and judge me straight away for being young. Thomas has only gone and given his opinion in a way in which i think makes people sit up and actually read his thoughts rather than ignoring him. I dont see anything wrong with his post if thats the way it comes across to you then maybe you should get a bit of respect and cosideration and allow the young lad to type what he thinks just like everyone else on here? i didnt see any of it as an argument or come across as an argument. In fact i think its a very good debate! Is it just very few people who jump to conclusions about young ones today or is it just the ones who dont listen to the views of young people?
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just my view no arguments required!!!! :D

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I think it was a good reply considering, and even julie admitted she asked for it. AND it's certainly created debate. It's shown theres two sides to the debate, and adults side and a youngsters side.
I think adults are too quick to judge youngsters as being all the same, all youngsters are chavs, all chavs and chavettes are bad. Thats not true.

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Were you born an old fogie, entwisi? I've just had a look at your profile, you're 14 years younger than me but I'm afraid I'm siding with the youngsters on this. You can't tar them all with the same brush. If buttonsmum didn't want a reply to her post she shouldn't have made it in the first place.

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The tykes would probably sue the council if they fell off! If anyone suspects their little darlings of behaving like this they may want to sit them down in front of "Inside Out" BBC1 7:30 on 30th January. It tells the story of a 14 year old boy from Manchester became the youngest ever army officer leading his troops over the top on the first day of the battle of the Somme,eventually being commissioned into the Accrington Pals.

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If I didn't want a reply I wouldn't have posted in the first place, the idea was to start a healthy discussion about the respect or lack of respect that some of the younger generation show today to objects like the cenotaph that have a great meaningful place in our society.

Thomas has responded both here and in other threads as a newbie and shown a disputatious attitude, something that when you are new to forums tends to wind exisiting users up. People are entitled to their own opinion, it is how that is presented that can sometimes be lacking.

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go old fogies :not_ripe: go old fogies :Banane25:

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I love the old fogie down stairs, she brilliant, I love ya joycie

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So just what is it about caring about manners, politeness and having standards is it that defines me as an old fogie?

Perhaps I should go and book my place in Eastbourne right now and have done with it. Or I can stick around and try and influence people into thinking about these traits and how they can improve them in todays society. You never know, it may make Accy a better place to live, Radical I know.......

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In fact I love nice people no matter what age they are.:)

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That's what you call attempting to shout them down rather than listening to their point of view. And you wonder why they don't respect your opinion.

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I didnt 'go off on one' at all. I gave my opinion. And wasnt even attempting to start an argument. I think your just a bit afraid as one young person has come on your precious site and caused a bit of controversy. I clearly stated my opinion in this thread, and most people (expect you) agreed. Even the person who made the thread amitted she kind of asked for it.

And please dont go patronising me about being on the internet longer than me. Experience means nothing. I most probably have the same amount of knowledge on the internet/computers as you do. If anyone is being childish here, its you.

Oh why thank you. Maybe Entwisi doesnt realise young people have an opinion in this community too.

Oh, and thank you aswell. Somone else who realises young people also have an opinion. Are we getting the point now Entwisi?

Thank you. Another person. Its really nice to know some adults realise the majority of young people are nice, and dont tar all young people will the same brush. :)

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My first quote wasnt in any way sarcastic. Neither was it rude. The original poster agreed with what I said! So how could it have possibly been offensive?

The reason sarcasm has evolved, is because Entwisi felt he needed to patronise me, and talk to me like im 3 years old.

And what has me being a newbie got to do with anything? Ive been on this site before, just never expressed my opinions as much.

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I never said i agreed with what you said, what i did say to your reply was 'i asked for that' as my wording was quite loose.

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Ok fair point. Telling me you asked for it came across like you agreed with my reaction. But whatever.

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it always happens.....people think they are big and clever using a cleche and just come across as a complete arse.

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So you don't agree julie? in what way don't you agree? are you saying all kids are the same? cos I'm lost now .

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with respect to all that have posted on here ....the point being .........THE CENETAPH.... did our ancesters ie; dads, uncles , grandads etc; not fight 2 wars ? ....is that not what the cenetaph is placed there for ..........REMEMBERANCE .......not ignorance .

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This is not MY precious site at all, it is a community of wide and varied people with many differing opinions. I have in the past and will always stand up for the right for someone(young or old) to hold their opinion even if that opinion doesn't fit with my own. The lady who started the thread admitted her wording could have been better. I

Without wanting to sound like my bits are bigger than yours, If you had spent any time on Accyweb and had read my profile particularly my job description you will probably find that your experience probably falls far short of my own. I can take you through most aspects of computers from micro embedded devices through to mutiple processor servers used by blue chip companies. I can program in numerous languages, design, build, test and deploy SOA architecture(go on google it) or I can rescue your poorly PC with equal aplomb.

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Wake up and smell the coffee to me is saying think about what your saying. Age and experience of posting does come into it, but as adults and experienced posters you should be able to make allowances for that and still get the 'point' of the post.

get back to thread anyway you've deviated :rolleyes:. no deviation hesitation or repetition allowed :D

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I didn't agree with Thomas' version, what i was agreeing with was that my wording could have been better and no I don't think all kids are the same it was a loose statement aimed to start a debate not a slagging match.

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Thank you mez

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So you agree not all kids are the same which is what he said, what you didn't agree with is that he was saying YOU were saying all kids are the same, because it only appeared that you were saying that because you wrote it as a loose statement. sorted.

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Hahahahaha. I think its about time you took your head from out of your arse. You really dont impress.

And yes, I have looked on your profile. The interest in 'booze' stood out more than anything. I mean, some people do like the odd drink now and again, but to take an interest in it! Well... all I can say is you must lead a very sad, boring life.

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Right lets get some context of this.... without going into what the original argument or debate!! was about, lets just say that Entwisi is a highly thought of and respected member of this forum who on numerous occasions has helped many members out especially when it has come to computer problems, often going to people's homes to do it. He has also stuck up for people when he has thought they are being unfairly treated on here... so now we know entwisi is a clever comp techi who like to fight for the underdog... most of the time ;)

Now thomas I would also like to see you as a highly thought of and respected member of this forum and I have to say it's great to see some young blood on here with such strong views and not afraid to express them and long may you continue to do that. Please do take into account that when someone gives an opinion it is not maybe always a direct attack and if you feel that some of your posts have been taken the wrong way then maybe it's just we need time to adjust to the way that you form your posts just like we did with that cheeky minx shakermaker ;) :p

If I can give any advice, not that I'm sure it's worth an ounce to anyone, is that we take a step back before we jump headlong into replying to any posts and maybe put ourselves in the other persons shoes and that is not directed at anyone in particular but to all......enough said :D

Anyway kids climbing memorial.....

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oi!...mouth!! :D

lol shes right you know.....

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Maybe this is what i should have called it in the first place, as i said in an earlier post my wording was a bit loose and could have been better, I don't post often but my wording can only get better with practice, i'd say a lesson learned for next time.

Somewhere along the line this thread seems to have gone off track,but my main reason for starting this thread was about the respect or lack of it that a group of teenagers were showing over the cenotaph.

I feel that the cenotaph should hold a special place in society as a lot of people died in the wars trying to make it a better place for us. At the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this is mine someone elso my hold a different point of view entirely, but thats what debate is there for.

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I must say that this thread cheered me up no end. A big thank you to all who have posted on here and please, can we have some more fun threads like this, I don't care on what subject as long as a laugh as much as I did today.

Maybe we could have a poll on the funniest comment in this thread :D

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Grrrrrrrrr...........
Had my living room windows pelted with eggs last night. If i catch them they will be tarred and feathered ! !!!!!

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I hope you do catch them aswell.

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Probably someone who does not like cats.

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Yeah, it might of been actually. I dont like cats either. They infest your bin bags and c*ap all over your garden. But its not a major thing, I can live with it. Kittens are nice :D

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Naaaaaaaaa....... its the "in" thing to do around here if you tell kids off for doing something wrong !

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Is it the 'in' thing to tell kids off, tar them all with the same brush, then feather them?
Is that why they think it's the in thing to react the way they do to the adults doing it. Is it all one big circle, going round and round. adults get on to kids, kids get revenge, adults get on to kids as revenge, ...... We rarelly get any problems here, perhaps you should all move down here.

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No. Keep a garden spade (from your gardening) at arms reach. When they do return, hit them (with slight force) over the head. I have a feeling, they wouldnt return.

Then do the sensible thing and deny all later charges. I will stick up for you :D

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lol@madhatter .....

Are you saying that when kids are causing a nuisance or damage to someones property you shouldnt tell them off ? Thats all we did when they decided to use my fellas car as a goal post for their football game. Its not them that suffers financially when you go and trade it in and its full of dints.

Football is a game meant to be played on a field, not on a very narrow cul-de-sac where its chock-a-block with cars.
Even my cctv camera on the front of the flat dont seem to put them off :eek:

2 streets away we have a massive playing field and also at the end of the street we have a big green. The lad involved makes sure he plays away from his mothers car !

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Again. Take your car. And drive into them. They wont mess with your car again. :D

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May I make a suggestion?
Park your car next to his mothers, end of problem.

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Easier said than done on this street, hers is a small car and she parks behind a motorbike, when my fella comes up at night in his car the only place available is right outside my flat where they like to play football.

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Take up football as a hobby. And use their car as a goal post. The mother will soon have her kids stop when she knows the damage it does. Or call the police.. sup' to you. :not_ripe:

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I'm suggesting you debate the options available as you are doing. We've had lots of damage done to the rear of the block around the entrance door, and because the culprits were children of the guy in the next block and their friends i ignored them in the end. I phoned the police to come out but thats was all I'd do.It wasn't our property they were damaging but it still hurt us cos were the ones who have to live here. Luckily they've gone now, and any kids I do see. I tell to get lost. Usually if they're going to do any damage it's after they think you've gone in, and when they are still in a group. I usually hang around but keep at a safe distance. I suppose we're lucky here though cos we live opposite a pub, on a quiet street in a quiet town. we don't live on an estate. http://www.atherstonebooktown.com/

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The problem is that those kids think they have a right to play football on the street outside their house. The haven't been tought right from wrong so think it's ok for the ball to hit your car. If you try to teach them right from wrong you'll probably have their parents on at you, and the kids cos they think, they desserve respect even though they are giving you non. It's all about parents and upbringing, as well as community attitude to it.
In my opinion community attitude and civic pride are vital in teaching parents and kids to respect their neighbours, their property, their own property, and the estate in general.
It's alright mr blair saying he's going to do this that and the other, while he sits in his nice posh house with security guards. In the real world his policies don't fix the problems.
Schools that can dissipiline would be a start, and teachers being able to feel safe to tell kids off, knowing their parents aren't going to come to the school and punch them for it. Who's fault, the schools for letting it happen, the governments for not backing the schools and teachers up, or the parents.
Giving kids something to do would be another good start and not a comunitty centre thats only there for a year cos funding runs out.
What I can't understand is this. Theres been loasds of study of troublesome teens over the years, and things that help sort the problems are well know, but hardly ever done, instea we get silly government polocies that don't tackle the real problem.

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:) Willow I think that Mad is trying to say that the way the coumminuty itself has allowed these changes, (whether in school, street, parks or the home,) is an indicment on the way that "SOME KIDS OF TODAY" do not know what it is to EARN respect and GIVE respect [BUT they do expect to RECIEVE respect and not have to GIVE respect] as the parents don't want/have respect.

Having read this thread and some of the posts have points for both sides (young/ old respect/ disrespect) and I'm just hoping that the postings will continue and that through this post some of the younger members may become nosey enough to look via the internet at information about why Gt Britian went to war in the 1914-1918 [The War to end all Wars] and then again 1939-1945 (lets not forget the people that suffered in the Far East)!


Maybe WE elders may have to look at how WE percive our young members and maybe we could have some sort of dialog with the younger members AND learn about what it is like to be a teenager in the 21st century.


Just a thought folks :engsmil:

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Willow I agree whole-heartedly with you about schools, parents etc not being allowed to punish kids for doing wrong and it is wrong that we can not protect our own property without having to be pulled into court over alleged assault charges.

I think that this has come about thanks to the PC brigade and do-goodies that don't have the problem that we have.

I also think that the party in charge will never rescind a bill so that some form of punishment can be metered out in order for schools, parents etc to regain control

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yep thats what I meant.

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There are good kid's bad kid's and kid's that are somewere in-between.
Just as there have always been.
The problem is because teacher's,police and parents no longer have any Authority or controle, because of the stupid laws, that are now in place.
Now the bad kids are worse and the ones that are more mischeif makers than bad are worse simply because they know they can do it and get away with It.
There is good and bad in all of us kids included.

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