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all over the news and morning TV there have been reports that obesity in children is still on the rise and all the experts are blaming the govenment for kids been fat.

forgive my bluntness but how is this the govenments fault and isnt it the parents responsability not to shove crap down their kids throats..?

i am no big fan of any govenment but even i cant blame the govenment for fat kids :rolleyes:

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Perhaps this sort of picture should be shown on all chocolate products rather than just the new health warning?

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Yes the parents are responsible as it is easier to give them a takeaway meal or a TV dinner than proper food at the proper time. Even schools dont help matters with what they serve and that is down to the govenment.

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The cost of fresh fruit and veg is terrible. And now they say half of the fresh fruit is fattening as well.

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If children were still allowed to go up chimneys, you can bet parents would ensure their offspring were thin enough to climb up, otherwise they wouldn't be earning their keep.

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I have also been wondering how anybody could possibly blame the government for this too. Then again, if in doubt, blame the government...:D

Parents have a responsibility to ensure that their children are cared for and eat healthily. The government are responsible for making sure that the poorest families can afford to feed their children, which in my opinion they have done.

All too often people blame the government for how their children turn out, undisciplined, obese etc. Children are the responsibility of their parents, if you don't want that kind of responsibility then don't have kids. There's no excuse for unwanted children these days.

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can you please explain this to my mother as she is still trying to get an abortion :(

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Reasons kids are fat:

1. Cheap food is fattening food (usually)
2. Kids living in flats have no gardens
3. Kids cannot play out because it is now too dangerous in many places to do so
4. Bullying. Untill teachers get off their backsides to do something about this, it will just go on and on
5. Parents are fat, don't care or don't know

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Then she should have used contraception....:D

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my theory.

1: dvd players and ps2's make excellent child minders
2: easier to slam food in a microwave than actualy cook somthing
3: even easier to drive to mcdonalds or KFC
4: no swings etc at parks to use because parents have sued the councils too much
5: beer and fags are easily obtained and cheaper than going to the sports center

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1/ Fast food, which is relatively expensive, is fattening.
2/ Kids who live in flats have public parks to play in, rather than sit at their pc's/Playstations.
3/ It's no more dangerous now than in years gone by, people are just more aware of the dangers.
4/ Teachers have their hand's tied, by legislation to supposedly protect children.
5/ Not all parents are fat.

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1. Lots of foods are fattening, low cal, good food is expensive
2. Parks are dangerous, my experience is East London, where not even adults walk alone
3. It is much more dangerous now. Where I used to live, someone is gunned down every week.
4. I agree
5. Did not say they were

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Good fresh food is not expensive, if people can be bothered going to the markets to buy fresh fruit and veg and meat or fish, and getting of their arses.

Ready packed/washed food is expensive. It's not rocket science.

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I suggest you've never tried bringing up three kids on benefit.

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Patronising me will get you nowhere. You know nothing about me so don't make sweeping generalisations, leave that for your views on religion.

It's been proved many times that fresh food is cheaper than that which has been pre-cooked, pre-washed or processed.

Economics not your strong point?

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actualy these days parents on benefit get a lot more money than they used to with working tax credits etc

not saying it makes people rich but these days there is more money available

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I was not patronising as far as I can see. I don't know where you shop, but a 5kg bag of frozen frying chips will go a lot further that anything fresh you can buy for that price.

I did not make sweeping gereralisations. I suggested, and please do not presume to tell me what I should and should not do, that is patronising in the extreme.

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Rubbish. I've lived all over the UK, and you can buy fresh potatos cheaper than at any frozen food shop. Even in Cambridge I suspect.

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You Madam presumed I have no children, or that I receive no State benefits, therefore you are both patronising and presumptive.

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Well I know quite a few people that do and do, and have a very hard time of it. Just about all are hard pushed to buy fresh food or even enough food, let alone trying to get their kids to eat it.

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they could get some window box's and grow their own :D

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KFC 'Bargain' bucket-£9.99

£10.00 spent on fresh fruit and veg, would provide enough food for stews, casseroles etc. for a family of four for three days.

Go figure.

As much as I detest both Matthew Parris and Michael Portillo, both proved that families can live more cheaply if food is prepared fresh, rather than bought as fast food, or prepackaged, in Panorama programmes on TV, were they had to survive on State benefits.

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I have done it, I know it's possible, but many don't have that kind of knowledge. As was seen on Jamie Olivers school diners programme, practically none of the kids at one school, nor most of the dinner ladies, knew what a courgette or a leek was!

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Well then you agree with me.

It is possible to eat more cheaply than buying ready meals and take-aways, whose fault is it that some poeple are ignorant of this fact?

I blame the parents.:)

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If the Children, are given no alternative to a home cooked meal they will soon become hungry enough to eat it.

:Banane43::banane58:

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One of mine would not.

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Well perhaps that is something that should be covered by parental control. Mine were brought up by a caring mother that always cooked for them except on special occasions when a fast food meal was a treat not something they thought compulsory because mum can't be bothered to cook.
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Phlegm

Are you aware there is another on Accy of that name?

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[quick thread wander]
I've never looked, I've never seen them post & I call things the way I see them!!
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[time to go back on topic].

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Fair enough BrainLess

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I have 2 children myself and they get fresh cooked food every night with vegetables too, I dont blame the government for obesity in children, its down to us parents to make our kids eat healthy. However hard it may seem to a lot of people there is always a healthy way of eating.

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Oooh look Phlegm's gone off site, it's seven-thirty do you think the pizza-mans called with her childrens tea?

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why..? 28-02-2006 19:01 Foul little man!

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BrainLess speaks again. Knowing nothing but insults. You live by them.

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The first time you called me brainless I gave you karma because you made me laugh, please don't expect anymore for a very long time.
I don't want to disturb you from getting the KFC ordered.
:D

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Ther is not a KFC or a Pizza shop within 8 miles of where I live knowall

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Believe it or not - but some parents do go to work (I think everyone so far has assumed their on benefits) and I could fully understand that if both parents are working 45 hrs/week they don't have time to come home & cook a meal from scratch. There is so much pressure to rush life that we all often go for the easier & quicker option (not ness cheaper).

I hope that when I have kids I will be in a position to stay off work so I have the time to educate & feed them better quality food. (although not with my cooking skills at the moment!).

I still think it is down to the parents rather than the government but I think it is much harder nowadays that it has been for parents in the past.

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You have won arse, I have asked to be withdrawn. I am astounded that this level of insult is not kept in check by the mods.

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What insult? I've been reasonably nice to you compared to some but they all stick around to get their revenge on me.

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Another point to be taken into consideration is the number of fizzy drinks that some children consume......all loaded with sugar.
There has got to be an advantage in making childrem more active too. Even at school playtime there is little real physical activity......children no longer play the physically active games like skipping, tag, and hop-scotch. In fact i'm sure that I read about a school that was enlisting the services of someone to teach the children skipping games. This problem is multi-faceted and needs a multi-faceted approach.
Parents have a hard job.....OK, no-one ever said it was going to be easy......the state too must take some responsibility for allowing people to become dependent on someone else to sort out all the problems......I am NOT saying that the state is responsible for obesity in children....just the 'nanny' attitude that has prevailed for far too many years.

Do you as a parent remember doing without something as a child....? and then thinking that when you were a parent yourself you would not deny your child things...? I think most of us have been there. It is too easy to give in to the desires of children. We see ourselves as 'bad' parents if we don't provide the things our children ask for. Perhaps parents should learn to say NO more often.

Oh.....by the way, this is a very acrimonious thread....and it doesn't need to be.

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:D dont worry Less i got bad karma for wishing Lettie happy two birthdays....:D

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Yes it is, so have a few other threads been recently.

There is a common theme, but I wouldn't be so rude as to name her.:p

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The only criticism that can really be levelled at the Government, about childhood obesity, is the nutritional value of school dinners, like Willow pointed out.

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Willow, you should make them carry their lunch the extra weight will help them exercise something children need to do more of these days! Unless of course the size of your sandwiches means that health & safety would cause them to have a fork lift licence to transport it safely!
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Roflmao!!! funny enough so is my mother :rolleyes:

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MMm true points, but suprised nobody has brought up exercise tho:eek: thing is blame actually can be assertained to society as well, as someone brought up that parents are under enormous pressure to do things right either by all accounts. When i was young i was always out at the park, up coppice [gr8 exercise locally lol] running about but nowadays safety issue has been 'the' biggest concern certainly in our neighbourhoods coupled with the fact of the computer/gaming surge ~ the reality is that it isnt as safe or we are in fear more of safety than ever ~ gaming industry capitises on that plus peer pressure to be a good parent like someone said that 'we'd be different than our parents' attitude.


The gov has a responsiblity to pressure food industries about health & nutrition to which these companies get huge profits from, not only the big upsurge in takeaway variations & competition of fast food, but also packaged convienience foods ~ even our fresh foods have cast shadows of healthyness.... i.e too much salt, preservatives, pesticides, bird flu, samenella etc, even organic has had its critics but are very expensive. Todays life is more pressured, money is a issue whereas to live comfortably most 2 parent families have to be both wage earners, increase in low wage earners, single parenting, increase tax etc, long working hours & balancing of working hours means many families cant eat a good meal at the end of the day together putting pressure for quick fix meals that food industry capitilises on.

Education mmmmmm home Economics/food tech teaching of young people to cook decent whole meals..... rather than useless sausage rolls or fruit salad ~ not rocket science n sauage rolls is cheaper to get ready-done from shop, lucky i learnt to cook a roast from my mother [eekkk lol] nowadays many people dont know how to cook from scratch ~ even with me some things i dont know like casseroles:confused: n cakes lol, so that what used to be a generational thing of passing down recipes etc is now lost. Also they want to be careful as to where & how this is approached as far as pressure as we may have an increasing obesity but we have increasing eating disorder problems too ~ so balance is needed.

Gee i've uncovered a few factors there although im at other end of the scale ~ my son needs weight putting on him:eek: & i find that hard enough lol.

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Phylum......I don't know if you have Lidl and Aldi supermarkets where you live.......Lidl are very good at selling their fruit and veg at half price.....and the best of it is that because the stuff is so cheap it flies off the shelf.....so it is always fresh.......they don't just do the usual veggies either.....they have sweet potatoes and aubergines and celeriac and kohlrabi......so you can usually make good nourishing meals cheaply.

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Accymel....I think that I mentioned the activity issue in an earlier post......and we have had a subject like this before and I mentioned the role of cookery classes in schools.....teaching children to cook and letting them try out different ways of cooking and serving nourishing healthy food. I also think that when children have cooked something themselves they are much more likely to eat it. I also think that food labelling is a minefield......you choose something because it is low fat and find that the sugar content is astronomical......or you choose something that is low sugar and then read that the sweetener used in the food is reported to cause cancer. I have come to the conclusion that parents cannot win.

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I agree that if kids make a meal they enjoy it better. My daughter makes a cracking chicken curry with plenty of fresh ingredients and loves it. Snag is I dont often get any myself.:(