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Drivers and common sense
It's snowing. It has been snowing all morning. In places the snow is qute deep. Willows Lane is passable but a bit iffy. Cars are parked either side so there is (as always) only enough room for one car to get through at a time. We have just returned home (early due to weather conditions) from church having been given a lift by the Bishop.
Coming up Willows Lane all was fine until we almost reached home and then someone coming down decided he was going to keep coming down in spite of the fact that there was a space at the side for him to pull into to allow us to get through. We were coming uphill and he was coming down but he kept on coming! Bishop wound down his window. The other (taxi) driver wound down his window and proceeded to criticise us for coming up the road when he was trying to come down. "The Highway code does not apply in bad weather." said he. "Common sense applies and you should have stopped for me." Common sense takes precedence over the Highway Code? That's a new one on me, but quite apart from that I would have thought it was common sense for a car coming uphill in snow to keep going because a car coming down can always get going again if it has to stop but it's not as easy to start uphill in loose snow that is giving way beneath the wheels. Opinions and comments anyone? |
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:mad: Oh Willow don't get me started lol!! I know exactly what you mean. To get up from or down to town from here I have a choice Willows lane or Ormerod St ..... they are both as bad as each other with the parking and the complete ignorance of some drivers, it doesn't just come down to common sense it also takes a little bit of curtious (*sp) driving. I swear by the time I've got up or down either of these streets I need to pull over for a little breathing exercise! :mad:
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I must have been an oddity as i loved driving in snow but was always aware that there were others that hated it and were only out as a neccecity. Comen sense is needed in adverse conditions and as that is not covered in any driving test at length then we are stuck with a few "tubes."
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It's a lot more dangerous trying to stop going down a hill on snow than stopping going up is his point. Your point is that if you stop you won't be able to get going again.
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Think you will find that the Highway code asks you to give way to uphill traffic if possible anyway.
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How many of us know the whole of the highway code and follow it?
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He had a place to pull in, we didn't. We would have had to reverse to find a place to pull in. It seems more common sense for him to have pulled to the side in a space right next to him than to keep on coming towards us when we were already there with no place to go, quite apart from any Highway Code.
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Must admit seems to be stupid to have kept going. I take it he stopped anyway to have a go at you?.
Personally if Possible, although by the sound of it you'd already passed where you could pull in before you saw him, I would stop going uphill and give way to coming down hill in snow regardless of what the highway code says. Thats based on the fact that it's harder to get started agian, and not that a vehicle coming down hill on snow may skid and loose control hitting you coming up. I've seen it happen. Although i've also seen a bus unable to get up a hill, and slew across a road and get wedged against a building unable to move untill the snow melted. Can you remember that really bad snow we had that bought all the power cables and telephone cables down, and cut off the water for a week. |
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So really if he had the chance he should have pulled in and if you had the chance you should have pulled in.
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I saw cars the other Friday which had stopped coming up Ormerod Street and which slid across the road into parked vehicles when they tried to start up again. The ones coming down had no problems, they just slowed to a halt and then slowly started off again.
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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: Only a white van man could come up with that insane logic!! |
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why do you think he didn't want to stop, what possible reasons has he for not wanting to stop, which he was obviously basing on safety grounds as he quoted junk from the highway code, and whats your reason for not stopping. |
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Willow......the thing about common sense is.......it isn't a bit common....in fact it is a rarity.
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I think you have all missed 1 point. He was a taxi driver so he thinks he owns the road. That is why he did not stop - he was a taxi driver. |
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Common sense is that you always give way in snow to vehicles comming down hill to protect you and you vehicle, you don't know if they're going to skid. I've been there done it, a sharp corner going down hill, I didn't even brake, it was all over the place, sheet ice I had to let it hit the kerb to stop. had hell of a job getting it back off too, but if your going down hill you should stop if you can,
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Well if thats true that will be because he's a taxi driver, they're not used to stopping unless its to pick up or drop off. My cousin owns a taxi, as well as working for us running up to scotland and his temper is going to cost him his licenec if he isn't carefull. If someone cuts you you up, you swear curse, and put it down to experience but oh no, not him, he has to swerve at them and try to cut them up back. Absolutely pathetic way to behave on a road. I shall have no sympathy if he does lose his licence.
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Red? Like your bus.:D |
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The rule is that you give way to traffic coming uphill. Simple. It's the law, apart from anything else.
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Yes but you should err on the side of caution in snow in case they can't stop. vehicles do skid on snow and ice. The law says he/she should give way to traffic coming up if he/she can, at also doesn't say that you should go before you know that they're stopping. Common sense which kicks in to most driver automatically, I hope. I'm not saying thats what happened above, I'm saying that Although the highway code says it, sometimes common sense tells you not to do it that way. The highway code says you should always pass off side to offside if your turning right and the car facing is turning right, but doing that is rarely possible or practical, esp if it's a bus and a car lol
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Commen sense or road rage? Road rage will always win in 8/10 cases.
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well yous are all moaning about who should stop on a hill when there is abit of snow down. How many can say they give way to a truck. I,ve lost count how many times i,ve strugled to get going again on a hill because someone won't giveway because they are faster.
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I've seen drivers of numerous large vehicles struggling because drivers of smaller quicker vehicles don't think.
This driver coming down, the one I was talking about, had space at the side of him where he could ahve safely pulled in. The row in Willows Lane is a long one and we were near the top coming up and NO spaces where we could have pilled in short of reversing all the way back down to the bottom again. Nobody can convince me that doing so wou;d have been the safer and more practical option of the two. He had nothing to hit. We had dozens of things we could have slid into the side of! Oh, and whilst we're talking of Highway Code versus common sense what about the people who have been 'done' for crossing the stop line at a red light in order to allow an ambulance through flashing its lights and nee-nawing? Common sense would seem to indicate that getting out of the way to let the ambulance through takes priority but police, AA and RAC all say it's a No-No |
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I had a chuckle yesterday when driving up Willows Lane, (in my car, not a bus) The bottom of Willows Lane is now and for the next 6 weeks one-way as roadworks take over 50% of the road and diversion signs are in place.
A "lady driver" had decided that the signs were not meant for her so tried to squeeze herself past several cars going in the opposite direction. I tried to indicate to her when she was level with me that to continue was a "no-no" - but if looks could kill, I would be dead and buried! Now THAT is an ignorant driver! |
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Think I can beat you on that one busman, coming down queen st in GH towards mini roundabout at the co-op. No-one coming from direction of where I have to give way so I carried on to go round the roundabout and a plonker (being polite) shot out of the co-op carpark without even stopping or looking right and nearly went into the side of me. I applied 10 ton pressure on my horn and he just turned and stuck 2 fingers up at me!!!!!!!!!!!!! Errr now that was definately my right of way! :mad:
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Gotta be careful here Red, - You had the "right-of-way" but WHY?? do people feel it is necessary to blast their horn at the same time? If I am in a tight situation, I concentrate on the safety of people, and then my vehicle - and THEN swear under my breath (ok, sometimes over!) How do people find the time to hit their horn at the same time as swerving to avoid a collision?:confused:
I'm not having a go at you Red, it is something that has been on my mind for many years and this is my first opportunity to air it. I sound my horn probably less than a dozen times a year - and yet drive in excess of 100,000 miles per year, Am I doing sumfing wrong? :rolleyes: |
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It's called multi-tasking. It's a woman thing. :D
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Busman as the horn is in the middle of the steering wheel it was quite easy and as I was going pretty slow I had almost come to a stop so there was no manic swerving like something out of the dukes of hazzard :p
The horn is something that I have rarely used but Because he didn't even have the courtesy to look in my direction even after he was going past me I just thought I'm gonna make sure you know I'm here you b******!!!!! And was shocked when he turned and stuck his fingers up at me like it had been my fault! :mad: Come on Willow do you really think a bloke will ever get their head round our multi tasking skills????? ;) |
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You drive 274 miles plus a day?
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Bit supprised at the last bit. I've pulled through a red light a couple of times to let emergency vehicles through. |
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Originally Posted by Neil Breaking, steering, swearing, blasting horn, flashing lights, shaking fist and rude hand movements all at once is a skill that requires years of practice ;) rubbish i can do all that and still manage to run the idiots of the road and ive only passed my test 3 months ago :p Ladies and gentlemen we have a learning genius here! :eek: |
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What do you drive on these 600 miles. I drive a transit to abberdeen sometimes thats 450 miles up and 450 miles back but with a 12 hour break.
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Not me lol
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