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Charles Clarke says he wont resign after mistakenly releasing 1000 foreign prisoners who should have been deported . These are murderers rapists child molesters drug dealers burglars and thieves. These people are now free on our streets , untraceable and probably claiming benefits that we must pay for. What the hell is happening in this country he says that more resources are now in place to stop this happenning again .Never mind more recources put the money into the NHS and deport foreign criminals who should never have been allowed into the country in the first place. No other country would allow them in. As far as Clarke is concerned he says he wont resign ..no don't let him. this man has a responsibility to uphold the peace and protection in our country he is a public servant who has dramatically let the people down releasing terror and threats upon us, and our children. SACK THE INCOMPETANT IDIOT. AND SACK HIM NOW BEFORE HE MAKES ANY MORE >> as he puts it "OVERSIGHTS"

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well said that man

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Hear Hear!

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Yeah, its disgusting that he doesn't seem to be answerable to anyone, and even worse that these people who have been found illegally in this country and committed terrible crimes and have not been deported but were till recentley kept in comfort at the tax payers expense.

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aww give the guy a break , so what if a few murderers are now on the loose we all make mistakes and it can hardly be his fault can it...


too right it can

sack him :mad:

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And now they are free to carry on with their crimes and we will be paying them to do it. WHY> WHY? WHY> If any of us had been so incompetant at their chosen profession would we not expect to be sacked to make way for someone with a bit of common sense.

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Unbelievable!:mad: Got absolutely no faith in the government.

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I couldn't agree more Fireman!

another 1000 amongst these who already live here is neither here no there.

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But these are proven murderers and rapists would you like them to move in next door to you ?

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I realy cant believe he could be so stupid.....It just beggers all credibility...

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so whats the diffrence to proven murderers and rapists who already live here? they could already be on any street?

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What gets me is that if these miscreants are caught and sentenced in this country we will imprison them ( that's you and me paying for their keep etc) instead of putting them on the first boat out of here......it seems crazy to me...they should be deported and every effort should go into tracing these criminals and Charles Clarke should be put on the boat out of here with them.

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well maybe but should this man be paid £87.000. per year plus expences and a bloody good pension to allow this to happen.I know there are undesireables everywhere but my piont is the sheer incompetance of this idiot.

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Thank you Margaret I agree totally.

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Agreed ... Sack him!

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I just say it like I see it fireman......no wonder the country is Bankrupt,both financially and morally

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Will you tell him......or shall I ?

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given the chance I would enjoy taking him to task especially in front of a TV camera I would love to hear his ramblings to some of the questions I would love to ask him.

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these politicians seem to feel that they are untouchable......If you were employed to do a job....and well paid, do you think you would get away with making such a major gaffe?

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I know full well in my former profession I would never have got away with anything as major as this.

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Me neither.......I would be hitting the road in quick time. And both of us dealt with peoples lives...as does Charles Clarke...he will probably get a knighthood. Strange reward system we run.

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If I had made a complete ass of things and lost a building or a life through my incompetance then the brigade would expect serious repercusions. And law suits. If one of these criminals were to attack our kids. would we have any call on Tony Blair.

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What? You mean Teflon Tone......not a chance!

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They admit to this error but I want to know is "how many more errors happened?"

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Are you sure about that Margaret? Maybe the NHS was a different place when you worked for them. Nowadays people get away with making screw ups all the time.

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Your probably right Spuggie they usually release details of one error to cover up an even more serious blunder.God help us all.

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If we cant trust TB and co to get it right we might as well buy an island and live in seclusion but safe.

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Their would always be someone who thought you were doing better than them anso they would want a piece of it. That is unless their were no benefit handouts on this island.

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Only me and def no benifits of the financial kind just the odd beer drop. :D

The country cannot get any more screwed up than it is. :(

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When we going?

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Getting back to the serious side of this thread. How on earth can we expect our youngsters to take work and responsibilities seriously, when they see these public figures getting away with gross incompetance without any consequences at all. Charles Clarke should know better. he has failed miserably in his very responsible position and should face the consequences.

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Its still the case of "do as I say not as I do" and is the worst example to set. Its bad enough that elemnts of society dont take responsibility without those that should set a good example doing exactly the same. If Mr Clarke thinks its to be taken as is then he should consider falling on his sword to set and example. We cannot go on with all these errors that puts all of us at risk and not expect the govenment not to get their act together so we need to stand up and be counted.

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Well said spuggie how can these people be trusted to run our country when they can't handle a situation like this. To think we have to trust them to make life changing decisions ie invasions etc. No bloody wonder we are on the brink of financial collapse, moral fibre is a thing of the past andpersonal standards seem to drop by the day.

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People should be sacked for this, and it should start at the top.

This Government came to power on an anti-sleaze ticket, sadly there is more and more of a whiff of incompetence and cover ups, as there was under John Major.

In any other job if you balls up, you are shown the door. The same should also apply to politicians, even if they go out of the door with a massive index linked pension.

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I agree, time to take a fall Mr Blair.

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charles clarke is quite simply like mr blair (never wrong) i have been a socialist all my life and i do not think these people know what the word means, and as for sacking him? i wouldn,t i,d SHOOT the incompetant clown. (end of rant):mad:

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maybe one of the people he let out will shoot him cashman :)

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i just might.:D :D :D :D

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We all know that like football management no matter how bad you perform even if you are sacked/forced to resign you will be back within 6 months doing a very similar and equally well paid job.

Look at Blunkett. Now there is Two jags coming out saying hes been having an affair for 2 years. As Rindy pointed out teh major downfall of the Tories was the amount of sleeze that was happening. It looks like New Labour has inherited this trait as well.

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It will be 4 years this October since I retired, but I can tell you I would be down the road with my P45 in my hand for something as serious as this.....and probably have my derriere sued off me....we were each one of us accountable for our errors....and we were reminded of this at every opportunity.

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I am sure you were but, you only need to be accountable if someone finds out what you have done wrong. Thats the problem I think. No one is checking on what others are doing anymore.

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There is an error reporting system in place and I know from experience that it was very robust and I can assure you that many people would be prepared to expose any errors that they came across in their daily duties.
There were monthly Ward meetings with a multidisciplinary input from Consultants down to ward clerks......errors were categorised and actions were taken to improve procedures, and people WERE named if they were found to be responsible.

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I should also have said that the meetings were inter-departmental, and you have no idea the rivalry that exist between depts...especially if something goes wrong. It was supposed to be a 'no blame' system...but from my point of view there was definite blame attached when things did go wrong.

Maybe Lettie will clarify the current set up.

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You can ask Lettie what it is like to be called to answer questions at an inquest.....even when you have done nothing wrong it is an ordeal

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I know the feeling Margarat I have been their on many occasion and have several "T" Shirts, all of which may i add have sweat stains on them.

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There is nothing worse than having to attend an inquest and answer questions, even when the fault is not yours. We have many systems in place for reporting bad practice, risk management, clinical governance and dealing with the incompetent within the NHS. The trouble that I find is that if a doctor consistently performs badly they are very difficult to report and you feel as if the senior medical staff do not take you seriously. There have been so many reports up and down the country lately that the GMC are looking into some sort of medical supervision similar to the supervision system which midwives have had for donkey's years. They are also looking at a similar system for nurses, as they are not subject to formal supervision either.

The midwifery supervision system provides support for midwives and patients. All midwives are allocated a supervisor of midwives and they must meet at least once a year to discuss various issues. The supervisor provides support to midwives who wish to complain about bad practice, she provides information on legal and training issues and makes sure that the midwives within her remit are up to date on current issues. Every 12 months midwives have a legal duty to notify their intention to practice to the local supervising authority. If the midwife fails to do this, or does not meet the criteria to notify, she is no longer able to work as a midwife. A supervisor of midwives can ask to see any examples of documented paperwork, proof of learning and current NMC membership documentation of any midwife within her remit.

Oh yes, we are accountable in the NHS, not only are we accountable to the patients, colleagues, professional bodies and the law of the land but we also get sued for screw ups.

I wonder if anyone would take out a case against the government, should one of their family members be murdered or raped by one of these criminals who should have been deported...

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In relation to reporting Doctors....yes, I have been there too...and been interviewed by independent medical specialists acting for the GMC.....and that is not pleasant either.....I was however, spared the anguish of having to testify at an employment tribunal.

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The whole issue stinks and now Mr two jags Prescot has admitted to having an affair what the hell is next. It is time for change. BUT..who the hell do we vote for they all think they have the right to screw up and screw each other without being accountable for their actions. We cannot even look to our government for morals these days I despair and worry for the future of my kids and grandkids.

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The whole issue stinks and now Mr two jags Prescot has admitted to having an affair what the hell is next. It is time for change. BUT..who the hell do we vote for they all think they have the right to screw up and screw each other without being accountable for their actions. We cannot even look to our government for morals these days I despair and worry for the future of my kids and grandkids.

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Sorry I pressed it twice just getting so up tight about this country and its so called leaders. They are making us a total laughing stock.

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Will 2 Jags be forced out or resign? personelly I think he wont for when this guy makes a gaff its 24 caret diamond encrusted gold of one. All the others look perfect in comparison. Send his bots for therepy. :D

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When the Charles Clarke fiasco hit the fan i wondered what item of news would be leaked to take the heat out of the situation...now I know!
However this woman could cavort(for want of a better term) with this chap beats me...even if you were blind, you wouldn't...would you?

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There is no accounting for women’s taste in men. Maybe it’s a power/position/money thing and reflected glory?

For my money Clarke has to go and go now before he does any more damage and take the rest of Labour with him, especially the president – sorry I mean PM.

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Well, the power/position/money thing wouldn't do it for me Jambutty.
However you cut it he is an obnoxious man who has forgotten his roots and why he went into politics in the first place.
When the tories were in power he lead the offensive against tory sleaze......the phrase pot and kettle spring to mind.

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JUDGING BY HIS SIZE HE DEFFINATELY HAS BEEN HAVING HIS CAKE AND EATING IT!!

I wonder what else is going to apear from the cupboard?

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The trouble is when these sleeze bags do get the bullet or be forced to resign afew months later they re appear in a senior position with thir fantastic pension untouched. BLUNKET FOR INSTANCE.

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agree entirely they always come up smelling of roses, the only thing i,m not certain of though is if porking a secretary is a capital offence there would be many managers and directors out of a job, whilst it can be said the action is morally wrong, not sure if its a capital offence? (now if hes found to have used our MONEY to pork her) then thats a differant ball game.;)

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She was probably on paid overtime (paid for by us) In a luxury London flat (paid for by us) Dinner, and not a cheap take away (Paid for by us) on his expence account (paid for by us) The wine was more than likely provided by Blair out of his 1.5 million Pound booze and hospitality account. (paid for by us) IS IT NOW BECOMING A CAPITAL OFFENCE.

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Many years ago, when I did A level "British Government and Political System" there was a thing called "Ministerial responsibility". This doctrine stated that if a department screwed up, it was ALWAYS the fault of the minister in charge, and that minister was expected to resign. What the h**l, though, this lot have torn up the rule book on so many issues, what does one more matter?

On the subject of Prescott, if it came to a choice, I rather be punched by him anytime!

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The thing about Blunkett was, at least he had a very nice dog!

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I'll get him if he punches you pendy

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If the level of incompitence continues like an infection throughout govenment how long before the warm brown smelly stuff is coating most Secetaries of State and ministers? If the gvnmnt had any commen sense they would drop the bad uns and try and get on with things that matter instead of fighting of scandels and sleaze. We need them to start thinking about the country not "were is the next gaff or sleaze shot coming from."

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If there are to be any resignations or sackings. Do you think that they can also get rid of Patricia (the NHS has never had it so good) Hewitt too?:D

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What makes you think they really did do 'it'? The whole thing might just be a diversion away from Charles Clarke.

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Well Clarkey is in the poo poo 5 of his "missing" deportee's have reofended what a suprise. Add to that Labour losing a by election up here (MSP) with a 9% reduction what will happen now? Will he keep his job?

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I am not really sure what you mean in your post Neil....but the point I was trying to make, was that the revelations about John Prescott seemed just a bit too pat......and I suspected that the news may have been released to take some of the heat out of the Charles Clarke fiasco......and it is a fiasco!

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Charles Clarke wants to clear up the 'mess' he has made of the situation...but if it hadn't been for an Audit Commission report he would still be sat on his hands. It is reported that he knew about the situation some 10 months ago and has only acted in the last two weeks.
Why should we believe that this man is capable of sorting out the situation?

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think accyweb bookies should take bets on this issue,(hint:D ) my moneys on the clown not seeing the bank holiday out.

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Staying, going, fall on his sword, forced out sacked???

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Well they both, Clarke and Prescott, seem to be facing it out. The offenders are re offending and hopefully laying this pretence of a government open to a large law suit . Prescott is probably enjoying a cheap night out on his lover , with the proceeds from the tabliod press. Blair is in a corner developing a rather bad stammer. And we are out here paying all the idiots a bloody good salary for their wrong doings. Lifes a bitch.

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Lets see if a set of bad results at the local elections might be the final push thats needed.