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It has now reached the point in the U.K. where racism can no longer be discussed. To have a view that differs from what the PC brigade declare is suitable is likely to have the police knocking down your front door at 4 in the morning! So what about the rest of the world? Will we be allowed to discuss the views of other countries?

America, despite having their own version of the PC Brigade, openly criticise ethnic minorities within their country. The internet is full of redneck, Canadian and Mexican jokes. Below is an example which perhaps speaks the thoughts of many if not most Americans - -

A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale has hit Mexico. Two million Mexicans have died and over a million are injured. The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where to start with asking for help to rebuild.


The rest of the world is in shock. Canada is sending troops to help the Mexican army control the riots. Saudi Arabia is sending oil. Other Latin American countries are sending supplies. The European Union is sending food and money.


The United States, not to be outdone, is sending two million replacement Mexicans.


God Bless America


What other countries are flouting the PC rules??

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Can you give a precise example of what you mean? Racism is allowed to be discussed, and isn't unlawful, being racist is, there's a difference.

Who is the 'PC brigade'? It isn't an actual body, it's just a term banded about in the press.

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I think the main problem is that people don't know what constitutes as 'racism' anymore.
The word is drowned in absurdity in the media which strays so vigorously from the actual root of racism, thus making it a no go area for any serious discussion.

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Yes but we can discuss it, we are doing that now.:confused:

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No, we're discussing the discussion of discussing it........ouch

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:D Ok, it is unlawful in law to be racist.

^ See I discussed it.:p

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rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
n.
1/The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2/Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Discuss and be damned.;)

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Argh; stifled by red tape...booooo

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I've mentioned in another thread, which I think was in Anything Goes, about the history of political correctness, but here goes again.

It basically started in the eighties, at some east coast American universities. Some professors, of liberal leanings, thought it would be a good thing if they changed the useage of some deemed offensive names, black instead of coloured, less abled bodied instead of handicapped etc.

As for a 'brigade' of political correctness, it doesn't exist, and you can't blow a bugle in it, unlike the Boy's Brigade.;)

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I'm confused. Your thread did start off by saying racism cannot now be discussed in the UK. I just wondered if anything had recently made you aware of this, and it had escaped me. Not being awkward, or indeed trying to hijack your thread, just trying to understand what you meant by it.

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its all a load of crap in my opinion, racism is wrong- end of, jokes are just that- end of, and the p.c. brigade can get stuffed- end of.:)

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After re-reading your thread starter again, you do say racism in the UK can no longer be discussed. I strongly disagree with that statement, and every right to question it in this thread, without starting my own thank you.

It has now reached the point in the U.K. where racism can no longer be discussed

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Just done a search for Welsh, Pakistani and Jewish jokes similar to the one you posted as an example.

There are hundreds of them on BRITISH site.

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[QUOTE=garinda]After re-reading your thread starter again, you do say racism in the UK can no longer be discussed. I strongly disagree with that statement, and every right to question it in this thread, without starting my own thank you.

That was used as a lead into my objective which was racism abroad. As I said before, you should start your own thread if you so strongly disagree with my lead comment, you have my permission to quote me.

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Perhaps you should start another thread, if what infact you wish to talk about is racist jokes throughout the world, perhaps in Anything Goes?

The title of this thread wasn't racism throughout the world, it is 'Racism (again.)' Which starts off saying that racism isn't able to be discussed in the UK anymore, a statement you made with no evidence to back up that fact.

I'm quite happy posting here on a subject you inadvertently didn't mean to start, but did.

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Carry on Garinda

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Don't patronise me.

I queried a statement you made, quite politely, something I, and everyone else as a right to do.

I didn't go off thread.

Unless you have been made a moderator, you don't have the authority to ask me to start my own thread, and not partake in this one.

If I have somehow offended you, or not got what you were trying to say in this thread, I appologise. I suggest you make your threads a little easier to understand if that is the case, or say that no discussion of any point raised is allowed.

Disappointingly you still have offered no evidence to back up your opening statement that the racism cannot now be discussed in the UK.:(

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Busman, just checked 'whose on line,' and noticed you are reading through last year's Accy Web award's 'best rant' thread.


I hope you aren't planning to win this year's awards for this thread.:D

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thats one hell of a funny joke

hehehehe

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the same joke was told when pakistan had a huge earthquake and that the uk was sending replacements

funny how it is acceptable to say the same joke about mexicans but not about pakisanis

by the time the pc brigade have finished we will have lost our right to freedom of speech and our sense of humour and we will be left with a nation of mindless zombies to afraid to even think of anything for themselves

every disaster that has happened around the world always raises a few sick jokes and to be honest i laugh my ass of at them regardless of what nation is involved in the tradgedy and i have even seen people who say they know better laugh at a txt with a sick joke about another nations disater , even the london bombings were joked about and although a bad thing to happen a lot of people laughed at the sick txt's that were going around :)

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Although racist jokes are offensive, in any country, sometimes they serve a useful purpose and say things that are not allowed to be said. They can highlight an issue that will then be circulated around the world and in some instances acted upon - even if it's only shared understanding or a move towards greater tolerance. I'm not saying they're good but sometimes the negatives can be turned into a positive in the right hands.

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Sometimes racism is so subtle people dont realise that it is racism. There will always be disaster jokes that can contain racist elements and we never give it a second thought. If the humour is lighthearted and inoffensive then most will accept it but if over the top then it is not acceptable.

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I like your style, boy. :D

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yes there are but they call us limies or however you spell it

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Blame the navy and vitamin C for the Limies jibe. :p :D

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firstly - i actually mentioned to someoen that this joke was actually in its original form the joke about the pakistani earthquake and how uk was sending ****'s over...

2ndly - the event god forbiddin hasnt happened. its like all those three guys crashed on a desert island jokes or the pope, michael jackson and school girl jokes - its on a fictious situation

i actually posted the mexican version of the joke on an asian msg board and it received a very very harsh comeback from other users. partially my fault as i made the thread topic to sound as if it really did happen etc..

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not a good move posting a joke about any earth quake considering on an asian board where most likely a lot of the members are pakistani and have probably lost family and friends in the earthquake in pakistan

i dont think the joke its self got you in trouble but more your lack of tact :)

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The fact is........we all tell jokes and receive jokes. Some of them are directed at particular people, races or incidents and can be considered un-PC. Some of them are groaners and some are as funny as a joke can get...... The ultimate aim of these jokes is to make light of a bad situation and it is human nature to hide anguish in laughter. I receive loads of jokes on a regular basis by text and e mail. Some of them are downright sick and some are hilarious, but I take all of them as how they were intended. Not as racism, sexism, ageism, dwarfism or any other form of ism........I take them as jokes..:D

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chav - no i used to mexican one

i think they were too stupid to realise that it was a fictious earthquake and not a real one

though one guy seemed to think i was talking about the tsunami

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A large number of people have lost their sense of humour and as such its a shame. Humour is there to cheer people up not make them reel back in shock.

Without humour the world is a sadder place. :(

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Political correctness hasn't stopped people using humour to diffuse difficult situations, and there is certainly no current legislation in place in the UK to forbid it, as the opening thread of this post suggests.

Far from being the wooly liberal some people might assume me to be, I know and have laughed at some very unsavoury jokes, but I think it's the context and place where they are told. I wouldn't tell a 'spaz' joke to someone with a disabled child, or a 'lard arse' joke to a fat man. Happily though I will be the first to tell a 'queer' joke, and it will probably be funnier than any you know.;)

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Think Mr C has hit the nail right on the head here. I pride myself on being politically incorrect but I'm certainly not a racist, because if I was, I wouldn't be married to a non-white immigrant (a non-white immigrant, I might add who tells people she's going on holiday to warmer climes to get a sun tan!). :)

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Happily though I will be the first to tell a 'queer' joke, and it will probably be funnier than any you know.;)[/quote]
tell us the queer joke garinda..no race stuff

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Let me add a little bit please. if black brown yellow or any other colour want to come and live in our country please do so under the BRITISH law. You see so many drugs and gun crimes being commited these days that(being from a democratic country and freedom of speach) im allowed to air my views. what is happening my kids cant walk the streets at night.Please dont take this statement the wrong way but Well you know! Thankyou for reading

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so its the color of the people you don't like? I'm not taking it wrong.. are you saying you have to be white to be British?

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No i appologise my wifes family are from India so i cannot be racist! its just that watching crime watch(other programmes available) that makes me a little bit scheptical if thats how you spell it! Thanx Lee

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I am sure it would be Garinda - but YOU are allowed to openly say gay jokes simply because you swing that way, The Irish can can laugh at themselves, likewise, Black Americans can openly use the word nigg** but with the exception of Eminem, whites can't!

I can't believe you were naive enough to come out with the following statement:

Who is the 'PC brigade'? It isn't an actual body, it's just a term banded about in the press.

Don't you READ the papers? Was it the "press" that put an ex cop in jail for 24 hours and then in court because he hinted that a woman high up in the force was a "dyke?" There are examples almost daily of the abuse of innocent people caught up in the trap of being or saying something politically incorrect.

Have I done something to upset you Garinda? - or is it just the wrong time of the month! Ooh, is that politically incorrect??:eek:

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do you read the daily mail? i reckon thats were you get your info from.. wise up bruv.. people are here from somewere else.. and you don't like it..if they break the British law they should be outlawed and deported..as for people being jailed or celled for the stuff you say .. sort you life out.. I doubt it

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You are wrong again, I have never said that I'm gay on this forum. I'm not, but I'm not prepared to pigeon hole myself into a little box for your benefit. More than that I don't wish to share with you.However with my of knowledge the subject it's usually the biggest homophobes, who have something to hide and unresolved, usually a desire to be buggered, and no lavender marriage is going to hide that fact. However some supposedly 'straight' members of this forum's interest in my love life on here does make me nervous.

Your presumtiveness is what I expect from someone who reads the type of press that talks about this so called 'PC brigade.' You still haven't answered my question about who 'they' are, or indeed what legislation exists in this country to prevent the discussion of racism, which the first sentence of this thread alluded to.

Answer the questions, I'm waiting, and have also noted that you haven't asked any other member's on here to start their own thread, who have talked about racism in general and have veered off the course of your thread- whatever that was.

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I'll wait until you answer my two questions............

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1/ What legislation is there in the UK that says racism cannot be discussed? We are doing it now.

2/Who are the PC brigade?

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3 .. is this the daily mail? a newspaper that was given free with every big mac meal at macy dons in the 92 election?.. may seem strange these days

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So are you, it's just mine will be funnier.

You should hear the one I know of the southern country bumpkin that came up here.;)

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Thought microsoft were the pc brigade. Rindy shut that parrot up or send it to it's own thread. I do agree though, we discussed racism. the other day on the forum down south, before the politician took over and ruined it because I called him a liar. So I can discuss racism, but not derek pickard the councillor, town council, and Aldi store planning permission in the same post for some strange reason, and apparently it's nothing to do with hiding the truth. I've discussed racism, here and there, white racism, here, political correctness, racist jokes on both, so yes I dissagree, we can discuss it. infact aren't we discussing it now.

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lol, ^That post is pure class, it doesn't make sense but it has lots of hidden meanings.

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The most blatent racism I've ever seen was by Indians against Africans in Kenya. They talked to and treated them worse than animals.


Is Derek Pickard a member of the PC brigade?:D

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Only when it suits him to be. Depends if Atherstone voters want him to be at that time.

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I want an award. chief clown will do, i'm always being told to grow up, or get a life. I tried to get rindy to spy on me but he's just not interested, so maybe you should take it as a compliment.

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I have made no slur on you or Willow, just stated a fact about what I have often found to be true, those obsessed with homosexuality usually have unresolved issues. Truly hetrosexual men do not feel threatend by it, indeed most are just glad that there are more women for them.;) I have never said you were gay, you said I was, I'm not.

If you are refering to my blog, which I decided to make private on here, but carry on with on a more liberal forum, I did say I fell in love with a man. What I didn't say is the last person I had a relationship was with a woman.

For the record, Busman is not gay says me. I appologise if I've upset you.

I posted in this thread and started out quite politely asking questions and for clarification of what you meant.

I am still eargly waiting for the reply to mt two questions, which you seem unwilling or unable to answer.

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...lets end this sidetrack and remain on thread.

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Busman, I respect you, though you probably doubt my sincerity but it's true.

I will not post in your thread again, and I appologise if you feel I attacked you. It was me that felt attacked and I acted in a somewhat stupidly defensive way. I'm sorry.

End of.

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So lets see if I am following this..... Garinda.. this week your not gay?

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not so hidden ****ed up?

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blinkin ell.. thats a bit personnal guvnor..next thing you'll be askin if bods are paying the telly license.. are you a copper guv?

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get in the back seat kipax..

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Now, now, people you know how upset I get to see you arguing, take a deep breath give each other a big hug and Rindy! don't steal busmans hanky he needs it just as much as you do!
http://www.utilikilts.com/200W/100302threads.jpg
There now doesn't that feel better:D

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Its whats known as having a SOH .. Maybe a warped one or one only I get... but think clark gable ending gone with the wind. :)

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SOH? you been trying to pull in the dating ads again kipax??

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I only gave up smoking so I would get more replies :)

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If we go back to the opening topic and the question which was:

We'll probably find that most countries try to flout the PC rules and that some succeed more than others because there are fewer peple there who support the "PC Brigade" - ie who actually agree with political correctness. (It's a common enough turn of phrase because we are at a loss to know who actually comes up with all this nonsense.)

It's unfortunate that there isn't PC Quango or Committee where we can take our grumbles and try to point out the blatantly obvious facts that calling a blackboard a blackboard isn't racism and ask who on earth decides that a nursery rhyme has to be reworded as "baa baa rainbow sheep" which is complete and utter nonsense. There just seems to be a faceless numberless "group" (for want of a better word) of people who see offences where non are intended. Even remarking on the fact that someone is a member of a particular ethnic group osn't in itself racist. We ought to be able to be who we are without being afraid of upsetting someone else who is of different ethnic origin. It made me smile to see that my daughter has on her MSN group of friends someone who calls herself something which I am not allowed to say.

Down the ages Jews have told Jewish jokes, Irishmen have told Irish jokes etc. The fact that they are a member of the group being joked about makes the joke acceptable where it wouldn't be accepatable if someone outside of that group told it. I've seen Asians telling "pa*i" jokes and other Asians laughing at them. Yet we still have shops being afraid to put "Merry Christmas" in the window for fear of upsetting someone who isn't even in the particular ethnic group it is deemed to offend.

When we laughed at "Till Death Us Do Part" and "Love Thy Neighbour" we weren't laughing at the people Jack Smethurst and Warren Mitchell's characters were ridiculing we were laughing atthe bigotted attitude of the mockers. Sadly the PC Brigade seem unable to see that.

Is it really as insane in other countries as it is here or do they take is all with more of the proverbial pinch of salt and carry on regardless?

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there's a big difference in joking and saying things that are meant to offend, the example of ba ba rainbow sheep is nonsense and from what I heard the only complaints to the people who thought it up were from black parents, thats assuming any of it really happend at all!

WILLOW,where are these shops that are afraid to put merry christmas in the window?.. is this something you heard ,or you actually know of for real?

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This has kicked up a bit of a fuss what do you say?

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i think it is coming, in some european countries willow although definately not with the same vigour as the cretins here are going at it, one day i shall probably be jailed cos i speak as it is.also the europeans seem to be much more tolerant i find. ;)

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I don't think that the 'p' word is offensive in that instance, but I also don't think that it is offensive to state that somebody living in any given country should speak that country's language. It is common sense, it aids integration and helps the speaker to receive the services which s/he needs. If any of us had to live in a non-English speaking country, would we not try to learn and speak at least a little of the language?

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Just to change the subject slightly, what is this rumour I hear that Persia Street is to be renamed Iran Street? Supposedly, this is to avoid offending anyone. It's somewhat ironic really, because the name "Iran" tranlates from Farsi as "Land of the Ayrans". Mind you, it will be the land of nowt if George W. & Condi decide to nuke the place.

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They do that already!

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Sorry to join the thread so late, but with regard to the Mexican joke. This is very relevant here at the moment. America has literally millions of illegal immigrants, many of them Mexican. So really, the joke, in my opinion, was quite funny, especially as no earthquake has actually happened. Had there been an earthquake and two million people had died it would not have been at all funny. I think if we are to make jokes about death and tragedy they should not pertain to any actual happening.

I remember another joke, many may think is racist about the black guy on the dockside at Liverpool trying to get home to Jamaica or wherever. He was 50p short for the fare so went out on to the street and asked some guy for 50P. The guy asked him what the 50p was for and was told it was because he wanted to go home to Jamaica. Here you go says the guy, here's a fiver, take nine of your friends with you as well.

As this doesn't relate to any particular incident and as it pokes as much fun at the Englishman for thinking it only costs 50p for the full fare to Jamaica, I don't consider this to be a bad joke. However, I am quite sure that some people would consider it a racist joke.

Here's another one:

Three guys in a jail cell in South Africa, two whites and and black guy. The two whites are talking and asking each other why they're in the slammer. The first guy says he's in for attempted rape. "How long did you get?" says the other guy. 5 years he says, but the judge said that if I had actually gone through with the rape he would have given me 10 years. " What are you in for?" he asks. "Attempted murder" says the guy, "and I got 10 years, but like you, the judge said that if I had actually gone through with the murder he would have given me 20 years." They turn to the black guy and ask him what he is in for. "Riding a bike without lights" "How long did you get?" they ask. "20 years" he says "but the judge did tell me that if it had been dark he would have given me 40 years!"

Here again, this joke refers to a sad situation in general terms but does not specify some particular happening. It also pokes fun at the stupidity of a system which abuses people because of the colour of their skin. I think this is a funny joke, but I am sure there will be people on this forum who consider it racist. Ah well, we'll see if the karma starts to disappear eh?

The point I am trying to make is, I don't think it matters in which country you live, everyone has different senses of humour and what is acceptable to one is not acceptable to another. I suspect as far PC stupidity goes, if anything, America is even worse that the UK.

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What I don't get is this.

I was on a forum, and someone called someone else a brit. now to me I am a brit, I'm british, I was born here, although not english. Why am I not offended by this and why was I shocked, to find that someone does find it offensive. It's just a shortening of the of britain.

Also I looked for some polish jokes on the net to post but as I found this site http://www.lysator.liu.se/jokes/polish.html by a pole making the exact same point as I was going to, you may as well go there.
incase you didn't know my grandad is polish, he was rescued during the war(always reminds me of uncle albert when I say that)after escaping during an air raid and travelling france rough for two years, he came here and joined up to the polish part of the english army. he was posted in Atherstone where he guarded the enemy, there he met my nan. he worked hard, paid in, took very little out and like me he'd die for this country if need be.
why is it, that poles can integrate into a country so easily, there's loads coming over now, and they never have a problem with having to look for work, although some are used as slave labour. you hardly ever hear any of them cry racism, and they can laugh at them selves when others from some countries expect everything, expect not to work, play the race card at every oportunity, and generally ruin it for the others that do want to integrate. It's these ones that intigate this pc crap, not the ones that want to integrate.

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yep thats what he did willow, couldn't speak a word, went to classes and could speak english very well in no time at all, he was never idle, he could do an amazing array of things, aswell as the normal male things like cars, and working with wood(everything was made from wood out there) he could cobble, cut hair, cook, sew, knit darn, crochet, better than most people i'v met. That accent did make people think he was welsh. I often got asked who's that welsh man.

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A couple of years ago I was working on a demolish re-build site that had 4 or so lads from lithuania, we just called them the russians,anyway one of them i'd say in his 20's could not speak a word of english
he came to work one day and was sacked because of health and saftey rules, I know his mates tried to help him get to know just basic english like "look out" "falling" and stuff but don't think he got to grips with it, he came back after a week and was near enough beggin for his job but no chance , i think he just wanted to earn a living and i don't belive many foriengers come here just to claim benifits.