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If I owned a pet rat, and allowed it to roam free around my neighbourhood expecting it to come home when it wants (rather than me taking responsibility and building a run for it), I would soon (quite rightly), have my neighbours and the environment officials up in arms.

Similarly with a dog if I take it out it should be on a lead and I am expected to pooper scooper after it as well as a responsible owner.

Yet the same people that would object most strongly think nothing of letting their cats out to mix with ferile cats (which carry more diseases of greater danger to fluffykins than to his owner), and the same 'responsible' owners don't care that the beast will go for the nice freshly dug over part of their neighbours garden and leave their calling card.

I and many others object to you not taking responsibility.

Please don't tell me it's in it's nature, that is one of the reasons I won't keep one.

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Whilst I wholeheartedly concur with what you're saying Less, might I ask what has brought about this outburst?

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One of the reasons why cat owners have cats is because dogs are simply too much responsibility so they go for the easier option.

Whilst I accept the point about pooping in my neighbours garden I don't accept the point about bringing diseases home from other cats.

Cats are solitary creatures and they do not mix with other cats, they won't even mix with cats that live in the same house as them unless they were brought up together. So the chance of them mixing with any feral cats is slim to nonexistent. They don't go out and party everynight with the neighbours pussykins. Not like dogs, who when they see another dog always like to say hello to its bottom.

Back to the poop question though - cats may poop in the garden but they do (on the whole) try to cover it up afterwards. Plus, if you don't want cats in your garden try spraying pepper all over your flower beds. Another good alternative is to be armed with a water pistol, that will deter them from coming in to your garden.

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To answer you Gayle,
The easier option shouldn't come into it whatever is kept the owner should take complete responsibility for it

There are some common feline diseases to which all cats are susceptible. Like feline leukemia, feline Panleukopenia, feline infectious peritonitis, and feline respiratory disease. These viral organisms cause a wide range of disease symptoms, from sneezing to bloody diarrhea and death.

If cats were solitary animals and never mixed there would not be any cats! Of course they mix with ferile cats, when it's breeding time they don't exchange addresses or ask to check the pedigree.

They will also make a bee-line for your childrens sand box, what a nice surprise that is when junior digs it up! (there are cat to human diseases that shouldn't be allowed to spread to children in this fashion). I don't want to be transplanting plants and find a gift from a stranger! No matter how cute.

As for me putting pepper down it's not my cat, it's not my responsibility to keep it out of my garden it's the owners! If you think I'm going to patrol a garden 24/7 with a water pistol you've another think coming.

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i think everyone knows my thoughts on cats..

but for the ones that dont ...

if a cat is on your property for that crime alone you should be legaly allowed to execute it and if it dare poop , pee or use your property as a scratch pad then a slower death by the use of a coal shovel should be allowed :mad:

if i wanted my yard covered in crap i would either buy a cat or do it myself :rolleyes:

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infact karma awarded to the sickest most painfull way thought up of kiling a cat

fireworks tied to its tail is ameuteur stuff , every one has done that , lets get creative people :D

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All right, let's say for the minute that you have a point there is a far bigger threat to health and safety out there that people are forgetting - horses.

The odd tiny bit of poop in my back garden is absolutely nothing compared to the huge dolloping wadges of manure that I find outside my front door most days. Shouldn't responsible owners of horses be getting of their mounts and scooping up when their pet does the deed?

Once cats have been neutered they don't mix with other cats. I think a responsible cat owner should ensure that they have their cat neutered so that it can't go off breeding with any other cat that it so chooses.

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Gayle stop doing the politician on me (I can't win this disussion so I'll change the subject), although the title is Pet Rat It's about them damn*d cat's

I would rather have what a horse does on my rhubarb than what a cat does!

A responsible cat owner not only has it neutered, but should not allow it to roam.

By the way if Horse owners did what cat owners do and just let them out to wander hither and thither, I would be one of the first to start a thread about it, but they don't.

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i am still undecided if i am happy or not that less is allowed to roam freely :D

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I consider myself a responsible cat owner, yes I had him neutered at 6 months old and he has a litter tray so that he does not go and pee or poo in my neighbours gardens (in fact he won't do it outside and cries to come in when he needs to go). But as for stopping him roaming - how am I suposed to do that - keep him indoors 24/7, that would surely be cruelty.

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I thought i would let Chloe answer this one

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...g?d=1147092629

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My cat has a regular yearly check up at the vets to ensure that it is healthy and not carrying any of these diseases that you mention - I am a responsible pet owner.

Perhaps a licence would be a good idea, do dog owners still need them? I wouldn't object to a licence but I don't think it would make a huge amount of difference, it would just mean that the irresponsible owners would continue to be irresponsible and that someone somewhere would have to enforce it - which they wouldn't.

It's not changing subject to talk about horse manure. I live on a road that doesn't have a pavement and every week I am faced with the dratted stuff in the road. If the horse owner could nicely guide his pet over my rhubarb I perhaps wouldn't object so much!

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Only as cruel as keeping a rat in a cage they want to roam too! As to the answer of how, you own it you are responsible for it, therefore you work out the solution, but to be completley responsible for it that is something that should be considered before you share it with your neighbours whom (or is it who?) don't want anything to do with it.

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I had cats for years. I had one cat which would not go out at all, he was too frightened (when we got him he was a stray and had been badly burned, the vet thought deliberately). All of my cats had litter trays, which they will always use in preference to outdoors if they are kept clean. There's nothing wrong with cats, it's the owners. And I think Chloe is gorgeous.

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Now you're just being completely ridiculous! As I said before I've done everything possible to make sure my cat does not go and do anything he shouldn't in my neighbours yards or gardens but as for denying him his morning and evening constitutional by keeping him permanently indoors, get real. You're obviously a cat hater and it's everyone to his or her own but at least my cat is not vermine unlike your 'pet' rat

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Calm down dear it's only a thread!

I said right at the beginning 'If I had a pet rat', I will now state this, (only once), I am not a cat hater, cat's are very attractive looking and pleasant animals, Cat owners that blindly continue to allow their pets to roam, claiming 'it's in their nature' are irresponsible and it is they, that I dislike, (hate is too strong a word) if in Australia the 'responsible' owners of cats can keep them from roaming, ( this is now law in some states because of the animals they prey on), it is just as possible for 'responsible' owners in this country do do the same.
I am often 'completly ridiculous', however I am not blind to to what is plainly in front of my nose, which is usually, steaming, brown and comes from a cat! I don't want it, I don't want to have to clear it away, if perhaps the cat owners were willing to call around on a voluntary basis say once a week and clean it up, I would not be upsetting you now.

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What a bloody pointless & grumpy thread!
Cheer up Mr Meldrew...sorry, Less.

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cat crap can cause blindness in children so please explain to me why a cat should be allowed to roam freely crapping in gardens with the potential to blind children

its all well saying my cat dosnt crap on other peoples property but unless you are with it when it is out of the house at all times you cant even be sure yourselves so why expect us to believe you

so its cruel to keep a cat indoors denying its freedom to roam but i dont see people letting their parrots out for a quick fly to crap over peoples cars etc

was it gayle knight who promised to do somthing about dog dirt if elected because cat dirt is the bigger problem and i think a lot more people are sick and fed up of cats than they are dogs crapping all over the place :mad:

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dog owners who let their dogs crap in parks and pavements without cleaning up after their mutt shoudl also be given a swift boot up the ass too

just so as not to show favouratism :)

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nah its good to bitch and moan evey now and then :D

besides letting steam off here about cats lessens the chance of me taking the time to put tins of tuna out with rat poison mixed in with it :)

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Grumpy yes, pointless no! I wish I could be as happy as Mr. Meldrew.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...rMeldrewED.jpgNow there's a man that would know how to solve the problem!

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Good job my cat loving daughter hasnt seen this thread because if she did she would want to start beating people up. She has two of her own that stay at her mothers and in the past I have kept rats (domestic uns with 4 legs) something else she likes.

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Irresponsible cat owners, irresponsible dog owners, irresponsible parents, everybody can point the finger in one direction or another - and frequently does.

Bl**dy birds, especially urban gulls, that's another problem, crapping down my washing and my car and spreading diseases like bird-flu. Who owns the b****rs and what are they doing about it? How about those blasted mice that get into the odd house and run amok with their faeces incontinence all over your kitchen?

Thank God for Tiddles and his mates or you'd be knee deep in guano and mouse droppings.




Seconds out! Round two! ;)

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My only regret is that they occaisionally bring you a present of what they have caught. :(

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welli only got one entry for my best way to kill a cat award and although a disapointing turn out the quality was exceptional

well done less karma on its way

here is teh winning idea

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Cat crap what a load of rubbish!!! its the dog dirt you should be worried about! see i can say that because i have a cat he wont go out of my gaden when on the very rare occasion he decides to go out he has a tray and likes to use it he will come in from the garden to use it and i do know he wont roam into other gardens because he's 21 years old and it takes him about a week to get onto the window sill hes to old to get over the fence.

When was the last time you had a sand box Less? and didnt you know that if you spend a little more money you can get one with a lid on to protect your sand from cats and the weather you can then play nicely in your little pit Less. just watch out for the ants less they might crawl up your shorts leg and whooo we wouldnt want to go there now would we!!!!!

I dont think that dog poo is very nice to try and detach from your kids shoes even worse if they are on their way to school (then what) i dont care what poo contains poo is poo and nobody likes to touch, smell, or even think about it but Less at the end of the day SH*T happens get over it!! lol

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I take it you dont like cats, but what a one sided opinion, you don't even mention or think about how much vermin cats kill.
Yet if you do buy a rat and let it out I don't think it would come home.
Cat lovers unite

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'as ta not gettan a shuvell lass? Get out theer an' put it on t'roses!

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Could you in future read the complete thread before posting!

If you had done you would find that I have already answered the question as to if I like cats or not.

Of course it is a one sided opinion you dummy,
I am giving the opinion of the person that doesn't like cat sh*t,
Contrary-wise you are giving a one sided opinion from the cat lovers side!

If we both shared the same opinion that would still be one sided but we would be agreeing.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...k/g/stress.jpg Now my head hurts, come back Accymad at least you had something worth answering!:D

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Miaou, Miaou!

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Less, I sympathise with your predicament. If your neighbours aren't looking after their cats properly they need telling.

I love cats (and dogs and all animals - even feral rats as long as they don't move in with me) and there are lots of cats round here, including mine, but we have no cat-poo problems because the cats are well cared for. Mine has a "loo" in the kitchen but prefers to use the soil under my shrubs and none of the neighbourhood cats causes a problem.

Don't blame the cats, blame the owners, and at least be thankful that cats will bury the poo when they can. It's far less dangerous than fresh, exposed dog sh*te.

Now then - those b****y birds....... ;)

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West Ender PLEASE, read and take note of the very first post in which you will find I am and in every post after that continuing to blame the owner not the cat! I have also covered the cat burying the damned stuff!

Less dangerous or as dangerous, I don't want it, I don't need it, if I ever I found a use for some I would order the stuff over the web and pay for delivery I don't want it forced on me!
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Please read the thread, right from the beginning I have talked about 'Irresponsible owners' being to blame, so far the response has been from owners and not one of them claims to be 'irresponsible', if you are all completley blameless why then do you not agree with me that it is these people that are giving cat ownership a bad name, instead of being terribly defensive towards them!

I must admit so far West Ender you are the closest cat owner to acknowledging that there is a problem.

where you let yourself down is to defend cat sh*t, whether it is less dangerous, more dangerous or just as dangerous as dog sh*t, I don't care I just don't want it in my backyard. (I would put up with it and clean it up if it was my own cat, but it isn't).
If ever I found a use for it I would purchase my own from the web and even pay for delivery!

Alot of the people have all contributed to the dog sh*t thread and want something done, I whole heartedly agree, but the same responsibility also applies to cats, just because it is more difficult to know where tiddles is having a dump does not excuse anyone from the responsibility.
P.S. I posted a different reply earlier it disappeared into the system if it turns up don't bother to let me know.:D

Yes I know it's turned up!:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:

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I don't let myself down, or you Less, or anyone else when I say it's less dangerous when it's buried. I do still sympathise though, even if you're grumpy. I'm on your side, OK? :mad:

Oh for heaven's sake, can't we find a more pleasant subject than s**t to wrangle about? Stop arguing with me, I've got a headache!

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I think you should have noticed by now that I am usually grumpy even about the more pleasant things.

I'll stick with this thread a little longer, at least then when someone comes on and says, "Less your talking sh*t", I know they are telling the truth!

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Just for you less


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...g?d=1147352525

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I'm almost tempted to get a framed copy of it for my wall, (it will hide a nasty stain that's growing there!).

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Just seen this what you been doing less !


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...g?d=1147674649

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Returning it to its rightful owner in case he was up for pinching it. :D

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It's not fair I feel I've been dropped right in it!
If there was any justice I should appeal to someone!

Thanks Mick for the framed piccy of that cat cartoon that was a nice surprise!
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=.../Files/poo.jpg

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Would they listen to your plea's of innocence or just decide as it is you, you deserve it? :(

Never mind at least you can say you are famous or is that infamous. ;)

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If you can identify whose cat has pooped in your garden, then I think you have a right to insist that the owner cleans up the mess, but how do you prove which cat did it? I agree that this is a problem. As a cat owner and a gardener, I sympathise. I have lost 3 cats on the busy roads, so would love to be able to keep my cats in, but its their nature to wander. They also bring home dead creatures, which is something else cat owners have to deal with. What is the solution?