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Did anyone see the first part of this 2 -part Drama last night
The MOORS Murders
I can Remember this happening in the 60s
Do you think they had a far trial ?
Did they get what they deserved?
Would Hindly have been that Evil if she had not met Brady?

second part on ITV 1 at 9pm
If you want to read the full story try this link

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...s/index_1.html

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Ys I watched some of it. He's potrayed as a snappy, nasty piece of work.
good filming, good opening scene, suprised theres anywhere lefty that they could film and make it look like it was the 60's. Although I'm sure they didn't have yellow plastic gas pipes back then.
Wish tv would have more of these sorts of things on, instead of soaps soaps and soaps with repeats inbetween, I might actually get of the pc to watch them if they did.

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Yes, i watched it and looking forward to part 2 tonight. Even though it portrays Brady as being the more evil of the two, wasnt it Hindly that suggested using her sisters pram to move the body of that man.

Knowing her sisters baby had died, and that she was pregnant again to even think of using that pram just showed how evil she was herself.

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Maybe she thought she was doing bradey a favour most women would have left him to struggle, "Careful how you carry that body Ian I don't want you to hurt yourself! Here see if it will fit in this pram."

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Being otherwise engaged, I did not see last night's programme; nor have I any intention of watching tonight. However, a long time ago I read the court transcripts and even before then I have childhood recollections of the grim story unfolding.

I certainly have no truck with this notion that Hindley was the "least evil" of the two; they were both of sound mind and both knew exactly what they were doing. But whereas Brady has always admitted full culpability, Hindley played the "Society is to blame" card. For the last 15 years of her life she was involved in a series of attempts for early release, ranging from petitions to 'friendships' with that gullible crackpot, Lord Longford. Thank god she died a miserable, cancerous death, still locked up.

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As a program it had no appeal to me though it was on a set of actual events and is part of our history. Dosent matter wether they were evil, warped sadistic or ill in the head they knew what they were doing and paid the price for that end of story. If either of them had been released there would have been unbounded puplic outrage and it would have sent the signal to all others living and dining at Her Majisteys Pleasure an excuse to try and attain release, Sutcliffe Krays Neilson West etc.

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agree wholeheartdly with tealeaf just sorry i can,t give you karma, hindley was one of the most evil bitches ever to breathe. i was going to watch it then chickened out,it upset me to much first time round.

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Didn't see the programme, but some year back read the book "Beyond Belief", which is the factual account of the Moors murders. Hindley was evil, there is no doubt. Proof of that, beyond what they did, is that they have never revealed whether or not they killed that poor little lad whose mother still doesn't konw what happened to him. It's odds on they did, but neither has ever revealed where he is buried. They got caught only because they made the mistake of involving Hindley's brother in law at their last murder. As soon as he left their house, he called the police. They would have carried on their foul "leisure activities" otherwise.

If Hindley had ever been let out, there would have been a queue, and I (though usually a peaceful sort) would have been well to the front. Perhaps we should have let her out before she died, then she would perhaps have realised just how normal people felt about her (shortly before being torn to pieces, of course).

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Hindley was at the prison my grandad worked at where i did my work experience as a teen (she had left by then) and although i have the common interest (an interest i dont understand) in these cases i disagree with you hatter(which i dont often-promise!) at wanting to watch more documentaries about these people as in my opinion it glamourises(sp?) it.I think the odd programme is okay but too often and it just makes them into 'stars'.

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I taped last nights and its set to tape tonights,
They along with Peter Sucliffe and Fred West were absolutely evil

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every 5 years or so these two get publicity either in the paper or on TV and the usual old interviews with the poor parents are thrust into our faces reminding us of what we already know that mira hindley and ian bradey are evil scum

unless teh familys of the poor children that were murdered are paid each time these shows are aired or the subject printed in the papers i say these skumbags should be left to rot and forgotten about and not constantly have reminders of what happened thrust into the faces of teh poor families concerned

just another example of easy TV show making and how to make some fast cash at others expense

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We should remind ourselves that messrs. Hindley & Brady failed to dangle from the end of Pierrepoint's rope by no more than a year or so, the death penalty being under suspension prior to it's abolition. Why was this so?

The answer is because of a clamouring from the trendy liberal lefties of the day over alleged miscarriages of justice; one cause celebre stands out - that of James Hanratty, the A6 murderer. The same media coverage could be seen then as seen now, beginning with a dramatised reconstruction of a crime, followed by question marks over the prosecution case, followed by court of appeal, etc, etc, until the case is proven unsound.

All the trendies in Hanratty's case fell over each other in unearthing dodgy evidence to substanciate his alibi of being 200 miles away from the scene of the murder. Unfortunatly, they did not take account into advances in DNA detection. Once his body was dug up by special court order & samples taken a perfect match was found. Guilty as charged!

Hindley may be dead; but Brady is alive & now joined by the likes of Huntley, who of course should also have been strung up. I wonder, though, how long it will be before we see a drama documentary on the events in Soham?

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i was watchin that prog the other nite about the wearside ripper fake letters and i just was thinkin what makes ppl just go around and kill for the sake of it?

apparently the fake dude wrote to peter sutcliffe and he replied that he had blood on his hands cuz he allowed the police to turn away from bradford and focus on sunderland

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I've watched the 2 episodes with my daughter who was in tears, particularly at the end when the photos of the children were shown.

I remember the case and the trial, my 2 older children were not much more than babies at the time. I had been in favour of the abolition of hanging until then but I felt that if ever there was a case for the death penalty that was it.

I thought the TV programme was well made but just one bit of casting rather spoiled it. The senior uniformed police officer was played by the same actor who played one of the dodgy policemen in the comedy "Early Doors". He's a good actor but it seemed to be rather an insensitive bit of casting.

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It was a great piece of television drama for a change. Very well acted and faultless costumes and locations. Maxine Peake is a great actress, as is Joanne Froggatt who played Hindley's sister Maureen, anybody know what else she has been in, it bugged me all the way through?

I read it was made with the full co-operation of the remaining families of the victims. It was an interesting angle to see it all through Maureen Smith's eyes, and in a way she was a victim of her sister's evilness herself.

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I find watching this kind of real life drama very uncomfortable, just like whenever they use personal tragedy for entertainment. ( I blame Shakespeare of course) Although, as a scripted piece of drama, the acting was very good. Didn't Froggat start off in a soap? The other one was in 'Shameless' which was fantastic!
Incidently, I went to boarding school next to Saddleworth and when i left (through the basement window) i had to walk along one of the roads... in the dark.

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Phew found her.:)

She was in Corrie nine years ago as Zoe Tattersall, the pregnant teenager Judy and Gary Mallet took in, and whose unborn baby they were going to adopt.

http://www.corrie.net/profiles/chara...rsall_zoe.html

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The husband of a friend of mine was a police superintendant and had a colleague who had been involved in the Brady/Hindley case. I met this man about 15 years later and he told me he had had to be in Court, for the trial, where the tapes Brady had recorded of his torture of Lesley Ann Downey were played. That man, also a superintendant and very much a "hardened" policeman, told me it was the worst thing he ever experienced in his career. He said that if either of them was ever released from prison he hoped he would be "at the other end of the country" because, as he said, "The relatives of that little girl have sworn they will kill them if they're let out. It would be my duty to stop that happening - and I don't want to have to."

Brady was, is, purely evil and completely twisted. Hindley, in my view, was even worse but also very clever. She convinced so many people that she was a reformed character, including the loony Lord Longford and several prison governors (I am quite certain I saw her in Tesco at Irlam while she was in Styal prison. I know the governor used to take her out.) and gave the impression she was deeply religious and remorseful. Never the less it took her 17 years to admit that she and Brady had killed Pauline Reed and Keith Bennett, hardly the action of a penitent woman, and that only happened when she thought there might be the chance of release.

The programme was well balanced but it didn't, couldn't, convey the full sickening truth of what that pair did. I have read several books on the subject and, of course, followed the case when it happened. The dramatisation was quite accurate but, of necessity, abrieviated.

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If you live in Accrington and missed this Program and would like to see it i have it on video you can borrow it.
you collect and return as i dont have transport sorry

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I was only 8yrs old when it happened. The thoughts and images of that poor little girl crying for her Mammy have never ever left me and still get tears in my eyes when I think of her.
I was heart broken when I watched the programme.
I feel so sorry for Winnie still going to the moors to this day not knowing were her son is.
How can a woman cry over the death death of a dog and assist in the murders of children.
In my eyes she was far far worse than Brady.
They shouldn't have hung her right away but torchered them like they torchered that little girl.

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I did watch it but can't say it was pleasant viewing, i do hope the victims families gave approval for the program. as been said thankfully it did not go to deeply into the sickening details of what these two "evil" people did, if it had I personnaly would not have been able to watch. sick or evil? to me someone who is mentally sick may say they had no control over what they do,whether sick or evil they should have been done away with along time ago. Brady and Hindley certainly knew what they were doing. the only excuse for them not to be executed is if they showed the were abouts of the victims bodies.

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We have just finished watching the second part and I admit that it tore at my heart. I've seen other versions of the Moors Murders but to film it from her sister's point of view made me realise how many innocent folk were affected as well as the victim's families.

I just hope that having been denied the death penalty, Myra went to her grave in fear. I'm not terribly religious but I certainly wouldn't like to have all that in my head. As for Brady, his turn will come.

A quiet moment for those poor kids.

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I watched both parts and found it very disturbing. I agree that shows like these turn the publicity on to them and they probably lap it up-obviousley apart from hindley who is 6ft under where she belongs. This crime will still get talked about in 50 years time and the more programs are shown like this the longer people will remember the sad twisted evil gits. There was a programme on BBC1 a few weeks ago about Beverly Allitt the nurse dubbed the angel of death she was played by Charlie Brookes who acted it well but again publicity to the murderer which is what they want, but no doubt ITV and BBC will be jumping back on the band wagon and deciding which sicko they're going to put on our screens next. I feel sorry for the families having to relive it all time and time again as no doubt they'll have to give their permission.:(

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It would not suprise me if FRED AND ROSE are next >>>>>>>
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...t/index_1.html

do you remember them ??

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Yeah i remember them, did he hang himself in his cell??

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yes he did have a read at the link

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I've just read it, didn't realise it was in that much detail. Quite sickening. Makes you wonder what went on in their heads and would she of gone that way if she hadn't of met him? We'll never know. It was a good link i have saved it to look at more in depth later

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That link has loads of stuff including Hindly and Brady and a lot others quite interesting .
All in great detail

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She was in corrie and she was in the first series of bad girls along with Frankie,,,,, Debra Stevenson