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Well, he's messed it up even more now, he's been caught playing with balls on the front lawn of his country mansion. Should he go or should he stay?. Perhaps some of you think he hasn't damaged the labour party enough yet, the affair, the keeping the house when he's doing sod all. now hes's playing croquet when the tony's away.
I think if the party is to have any chance of getting any credibility back, he has to go. I think he should have gone years ago when he punched that chicken farmer, the one with the eggs.

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he shud've gone long ago...

like they say he's the labour "link" to its past. but we dont wanna be payin for labour to keep any links to anyone - thats their own business.

i was listening to desert island discs - a review of the david cameron one and they were really surprised at how his selection was most likely his own personal choice and not one based on what the spin folk thought wud b popular answers... like tony did.

gettin very sick of the labour govt for the sheer hypocrisy (sp?) thats going on at the moment. its one thing one day and then tmorrow its another answer and a new scandal

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thing is who will replace him!!!!


maybe better to keep the devil you know

think most major politections in it for what they can get out of it for use after they been voted out

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Yes............he should have gone long since.

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I bet the Tories don't want him to go. He's the best recruiting sergeant they've had for a long time. And he's supposed to be running the country this week while Tone 'n' Cherie take a well-deserved holiday. A frightening thought...

As for his successor, I see that Harriet Harman has said that it's "a necessity" that the next deputy PM should be a woman. Forgive me for being so frightfully sexist, but I would've thought it a necessity that the best person for the job gets the post, regardless of gender.

Labour's PC madness continues...

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Can someone please explain to me in simple words that I can understand, what is wrong with someone playing croquet? Are people just looking for any pathetic excuse to poke at this man?

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Well said.

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Glad you asked that question Neil, was on the tip of me fingers ... have I missed something here? Are politicians not allowed breaks in their working day ??

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Well, the fact that he was playing croquet seems strange for a so-called champion of the working classes, but each to his own. For me it's the fact that he was playing it in the grounds of his grace and favour country house and what it represents. Rightly or wrongly, he was relieved of many of his responsibilities when his little daliance with his secretary was discovered. Various Labour politicians have rushed to his defence, assuring us that he still does plenty of work. The fact is, he has been demoted and, out in the real world, that would mean a corresponding decrease in salary. But not for our John, oh no...he's kept his large salary and also greedily clung on to all his perks including his various grace and favour properties, very much in the manner of the sort of rampant capitalist he professes to despise. "Do as I say, not as I do" as the old saying goes!

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JP should go now and take the rest of the government with him before the people do it come the next general election. In fact he should have gone when he lost his departments.

But it won’t happen. JP will stay until he’s sacked and President TB (TB also stands for tuberculosis and look what that does to the host body) won’t sack him because it will be one sacking too many. In any case why get rid of a sycophant yes man when the replacement might just start to challenge the President’s self proclaimed authority? A replacement might even be a closet Brown supporter.

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actualy i think he was %100 right to do that :D

the stupid sod probably thought he was safe throwing eggs at a polititian and to my great entertainment he was wrong :D

yes he should go but definatly not for thumping someone who deserved a thumping

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He desserved to go just for thumping anyone, and I can't believe he stayed. If anyone desserved anything he desserved the egg, he's the most useless, over paid over rated pillock i've ever known, and will be the downfall to the labour party if he doesn't go. Not that I care, cos they're all the same, all a bunch of no good....

And I hate him for approving the vile aldi store that local labour supported for the working class people, but now don't want bought up, because it will put local family run business out of trade and will actually reduce choice not increase it. Our council reject it, he says no there's nothing wrong with it.

The croquet, he's supposed to be running the country, in london, and there he is on the lawn playing croquet, like he's the lord of the manor.

Plus He can't string a sentence together to save his career, he talks utter rubbish. Contradicts himself in one sentence.

And he's got two jags, and creates bus lanes on motorways with hardly any busses.

And he should be sacked for the affair, talk about fickle.

Perhaps theres more to jp and tb than meets the eye.

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think most blokes when hit by a flying egg or anything else would snot the offender i certainly would.

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I'd walk away.

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I was also wondering what was wrong with playing croquet, its hardly newsworthy let alone a sackable offence. I dont like him much, but its now any excuse to have a go.

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If someone attacked you you'd just walk away all eggy? I hope we are never invaded and have to rely on you to defend us all.;)

Belting that egg thrower was the only good thing Prescott has ever done.

He should go.

I read at the weekend that he has something on Blair, and that's why he got to keep all the privileges of office when he was sort of demoted.

This Government is begining to stink just as much as at the end of John Major's last days in power. Sadly though I don't see much of a viable opposition.

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He should have been jailed for it, and he wasn't. That's where this countries problems are, the deputy prime minister gets an egg thrown at him, and most of this country seem to think thats a licence to go round punching people. No wonder there's so much violence, muggings, robbery. violence is condoned by top level politicians and most of the public when it suits. It's only if I walk up to you and punch you without you throwing an egg at me first,do you see it as wrong. Saturday night punch ups in accy are ok, I punched him cos he said my girl friends a slag, he desserved it.
It's absolutely pathetic to say that words or an egg could warrant a phyiscal attack.

Violence is violence. It's one of the worst crimes you can commit.

Prescot will go, the public and the party will make him go regardless of whether tonys been giving him jolly's

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I will however defend myself, if cornered, but not if I don't need to, I'd rather walk away. If the country was invaded, I'd fight to the death, but I certainly wouldn't run up to the and punch them, that's not the way to win, especially if they have dangerous weapons such as fresh free range eggs.

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chav makes note to take 2 dozen eggs to next meet just incase madhatter turns up :D

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hey chav get in the queue.:D

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Egg, stone, or a condom filled with acid, he was defending himself and I would have done the same.

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And you'd be in the wrong
Throwing an egg at someone is not the same as punching them and just because someone does you wrong, doesn't mean you should be allowed to do wrong back. That is why we have a justice system.
If your girl friend had an argument with you during making breakfast and threw an egg at you , you'd punch her in the face for it, and she'd deserve it.

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You'd defend yourself against someone throwing eggs at you by punching them. An egg! I can't believe you can't see how ridiculas that is and how bad an example it sets to young and impressionable reading it.

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so its no ok to puch a farmer for throwing eggs but you think its ok to punch a girl for the same crime ...? :eek:

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But it wasn't Pauline Prescot that threw the egg, it was a fat arsed burly farmer.

It was probably one of the few times a politican has acted upon impulse, and I don't mean he gave the said fat arsed farmer flowers, he gave him a well deserved slap.

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I don't blame John Prescott for punching the egg thrower in the face. However, it's the double standards that nauseate me.

If any of us on here punched some little scally in the face who had just thrown an egg at us, I'm pretty sure we would be up on assault charges, thanks to the fact that the rights of criminals and yobs now appear to override those of decent, law-abiding citizens. There was a perfect example of this the other day when an ordinary family man who was remonstrating with some yobs was hit on the head with a studded wooden pole and sustained serious injuries. His compensation was cut because he actually swore at the poor little darling before the attack occurred.

Prescott and his cronies have done very little to change this situation, so why should he escape the consequences?

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Surely the question should be "Why has Two Jags not already gone?". Is it possible that Blair is afraid to chop him and if so, why? Does Prezza have something on Blair that we don't know? I wonder!:)

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possibly the fact that if he sacked him a VOTE would have to be taken and we all know what tony thinks of democracy.:D

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He didn’t go round punching people Madhatter. He responded to a thug chucking an egg at him. Stick to the facts. But then that is what people do when they have run out of ammunition to support their opinion. They twist the facts.

It may have been a bit over the top but understandable none the less.

There are far worse bad examples shown to the young and impressionable on TV in soaps and the news not forgetting to mention films.

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I sincerely believe that HRH The Duke of Edinburgh should be deputy PM, if not PM. He has done this country stirling sevice over the last 58 years and the title of PM would be just reward. One thing is for sure - the days of kow-towing to political correctness would soon come to an end.

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Are you jealous or what? I couldn't care less whether he plays croquet , or with his other woman. at his grace and favour home. If you had his job, you would enjoy a grace and favour home. THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE A PEEP OUT OF YOU Him and the Labour party have done more for me than any of the Tory parties have done. And the Liberals promise the world( knowing full well they would never be in power ) They also sit on the fence! And all the other parties if they were in power would have their grace and favour homes, and bother with other people's spouses or their own kind!!!:engsmil: come on england:engsmil:
No he shouldn't go Come on Labour Party your doing a good job

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I couldn't care less about what other parties are promising - I'm bothered about what this present government is doing, which is staggering from one mess to another at the moment. Overpayment of tax credits today...what will it be tomorrow?

As for John Prescott, he appears to have achieved very little over the last nine years. Also, he was recently "relieved" of some of his duties. In other words, he has less work and less responsibility. For an ordinary person in an ordinary job, that would mean a corresponding reduction in salary and benefits, but ordinary rules don't seem to apply to him.

Still, if you think the present government's doing a good job, can I have some of what you're on please??!!

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Prescott more or less sums up this Labour Government. It is a fat, bloated, inarticulate and unproductive mess paid for by the taxpayer.

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An eighty five year old of Greek birth?

I'd sooner have you as deputy PM, at least we'd get a couple more years out of you.:D

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You can, when your'e eligible,, we're on the pension. And we are not moaning, we get by with no extra private pensions either. Do you know you just sound like the time everyone wanted rid of Maggie.she had been in too long and then it was John Major. I think people are never satisfied. :engsmil: What did we get for eighteen Tory years zilch!!!!!!:engsmil:

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The problem with him is thindle he's going to lose the labour party the next election, it's already started, the rot is setting in. He was supposed to be working, running the country while tone was away on his well earned holiday, but instead was playing croquet. He preaches high moral standards then gets caught having an affair. It's not the fact that he had an affair, it's what he said prior to that, that makes him a liar an hipocrite. If you want to keep your labour party that has done so much for you then you should want him to go. Also the longer he stays the more people think something dodgy is going on with him and blair, and more they want tony to go too.

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Who exactly do you mean by "we"? Because most people I know, pensioners or not, are "moaning" quite a lot about this incompetent, bungling government.

And quite frankly, I'm fed up of hearing about eighteen years of Tory rule, Maggie Thatcher, John Major and the rest. This government have been in for nine long years now and I'm more interested in what they're doing, not dredging up ancient history.

Quite ironic too, that you seem to pepper your messages with the Cross of St George when the government you so fervently support thinks so little of this country that they allow Scottish MPs to vote on matters which only affect England.

Still, when you pick up your pittance of a pension, I'm sure you feel a warm glow when you think of all the money that's being spent on a pointless military adventure in Iraq. Well done, Tony Blair and his noble band of class warriors!

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got to say thindle ive yet to meet any of this WE.

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Humpty Dumpty was elected as the deputy leader of the Labour Party so its down to the afore mentioned to deal with him. Pres Blair took his department away from him as he had the power but he does not I believe(no doubt I will be corrected) to remove HD from the deputy leaders role.
As such the pressure will have to come from the rank and file members up through the chain to the Labour Party's higher echelons to do the deed, well if they are not yellow that is.

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Two Jags should stay as he's by far the most entertaining figure in British politics in years. We need a big gruff northerner to frighten the rest of the country and give us all somethingh to laugh at. Never mind him being Minister without portfolio, or whatever the title for his pretend job is, how about Minister for Keeping the Flak off Tony Blair?

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He's a useless waste of taxpayers money, somebody who does something should be in hat house playing croquet, not someone who can't even string a legible sentence together let alone do anything sensible

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Humpty Dumpty the new Minister for Comical Behavior and C*** Ups. :D

So all in all SSDD.:p

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Is that the one with 5 million unemployed, interest rates at 15%, leaking hospitals with contracted out cleaning, schools with more than 40 in a class and a police force driving around in squad cars all day whilst crime escalated by any chance? Yes "we" did suffer under the Tories.


Well I just dredged it up. How about this for a manifesto:

• Every secondary school in Hyndburn refurbished
• Every primary school in Hyndburn undergoing massive refurbishment
• Class sizes under 30 with teaching assistants in classes
• Best exam results in years
• Lowest inflation in decades
• Longest sustained economic growth in decades
• Two brand new Health Centres in Accrington & Ossy (to start with)
• Pensioner minimum income guarantee nearly double that the Tories
• Waiting lists (remember them!!) cut dramatically
• minimum wage
•*lowest unemployment for 30 years
• £100m in private sector housing renewal money to Hyndburn
• £30m for Council Housing
• Record investment in local authorities (wasted in Hyndburn with the Tories)

Sounds like sour grapes to me. The Tories didn't want devolution meaning Scottish MPs (where Scotland has always had its own laws) would still be voting on English matters. What are you suggesting therefore? Your a hypocrite or you think to end the anomoly you would have scrapped Scottish laws?

The Tories undid the link between earnings and pensions. As well as throwing people on the scrap heap so the where forced into pensioner poverty later in life. They also encouraged less regulated private pension savings and then watched them get robbed and go bust - or alternatively ran the economy down so they were all devalued anyway. Remember that Wynonie? No, thought not.

And penioners now -
Pension Credit is an entitlement for people aged 60 or over. It guarantees everyone aged 60 and over an income of at least:
£114.05 a week if you are single (would be £84.25 under the Tories)
£174.05 a week if you have a partner (would be £134.75 under the Tories)

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Well our school is being rebuilt at a cost of 8 million, but we have to sell the ground it's on for housing to get it, and build the new school on the schoool playing fields, something that labour said they would stop happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...uprescott2.xml

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After being here for close on 16 years the Scots MP's take a pasting for not doing enough. For years Scotland had to put up with what English MP's had a vote on and lump on the Scots (poll tax for 1) so now the shoe is on the other foot backs are up. As we have the highest paid and most useless local council in the UK I will stick with a prayer that it is sorted soon. JUST DONT SEND PRESCOT HERE PLEASE. Sort the Prescot issue out as all we here up here is about his antics and it is detracting from issues we have.

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Well, if everything's as wonderful as you say under this all-singing, all-dancing Labour government, then why are the vast majority of people, including traditional Labour supporters, so dissatisfied with the present administration?...or don't you talk to ordinary people much (or indeed read the withering criticism which your government receives on a daily basis on this very forum, much of it from ordinary working-class people)?

And if I'm a hypocrite over the Scottish question, then so is your buddy, Greg Pope because he actually agreed with me on this forum that Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on purely English matters...or don't you talk to him much either?

And why, oh why do you keep going on about what the Tories did in their time in power? I'm not a member of the Tory party and I'm well aware of their sins. I'm more interested in what your government is doing now, which isn't much, despite your long list of "statistics". Waiting lists cut dramatically?...then why have I got to wait until November 22nd for my next hospital appointment? Probably because the NHS is facing huge budgetary problems because of Labour misspending. Or how about Madhatter's little story? They've got their new school but they've had to sell the school playing fields for housing! I'm sure many other Accywebbers have examples of their own.

It's so symptomatic of your government...all smoke and mirrors...all spin and no substance.

I also notice you've carefully avoided defending your government over the hugely unpopular war they've got us into. Is this because even you haven't the bare-faced cheek to stand up for them on this one?

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I was with Kenneth Clarke on that one;)

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Has he gone yet, or have they let the big lump of uselessness keep his handout for doing nothing, now that it's had to give it's mansion back.

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For once, I totally agree with you, Graham. :)