Petrol Boycott
 

PETROL REVOLT

We are hitting £1.00 a litre in some areas.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don 't buy petrol on a "certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at
that because they knew we wouldn 't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy
petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that Can really work.

Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have
conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, We need to take aggressive
action to teach them that BUYERS control the Market place not sellers. With the price
of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way
we are going to see the price of petrol come down Is if we hit someone in the pocket
by not purchasing their petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil
companies (which are now one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they
will be inclined to reduce their prices. If They reduce their prices, the other companies
will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions Of
Esso and BP petrol buyers. It 's really simple to do!! Now, don 't wimp out at this
point... Keep reading and I' ll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

So spread the word to as many people as possible. That 's all.(and not buy at
ESSO/BP) If each of us sends this email within one day of receipt, 300 MILLION
people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!!

That's s how much potential we have! Acting together we can make a difference. If this
makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE
RANGE

It' s easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell,
Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc.

Let's Boycott BP and Esso.

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Isn't that illegal ?

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Crackpot economics, Godfrey....sorry pal...it just won't work.

Oh...and BP are still a very seperate company to Exxon.

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I prefer pessimism....




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Its a chain letter so probably illegal.. it may not be asking for money.. but worse its asking you to harm a company.. I would suspect it is either illegal or at best would get him kicked off his ISP when the complaints start going in.. But as far as I know all chain pyramid type letters are illegal in any form. its a bandwidth monster..... he should at least look into it properly before doing it...

Missguided....

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think it's a ****in stupid idea, and that's all im goin to say on the matter

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I'm with Kipax on this, firstly its a bandwidth slurping 'virus', secondly its probably illegal. thirdly and this is teh killer, teh price of fuel from the companies themselves is low, its our wonderful goverment that puts the price into the stratosphere. So stop hitting the companies and start hitting the goverment, see how far that will get you.

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how can it be illegal? chain mail is not good netiquette but isn't illegal, spam isn't illegal, advertising isn't illegal.
As for the scheme itself, It's not illegal either, it's not slander, all your asking people to do is not use the services of esso and bp. I don't see what good it will do, there's been a boycott on nestles for at least the last ten years, something to do with them encouraging mothers in third world to not breast feed by giving free samples of powdered milk, to get them dependant on the stuff. I can't see nestles struggling or taking any notice.
I don't buy from them often anyway, so it won't put me out to not use them at all.

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eeerm spam was made illegal about two years ago in this country.. if you where paying for your time online per minute as we used to.. you could be done under the theft of service act for sending spam.. that was then.. now its illegal if you send to non buisness..ie me and you

why are you saying spam isnt illegal when it is?

chainmail is illegal.. pyramid schemes are.. by any method.. was illigal by post and got email added

why are you telling people these things are not illegal when they are?

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I suspect this isn't illegal unless you go about illegal activities to get the message accross...

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Anyone with any motoring sense won't buy Esso anyway, their petrols crap.
Fill up with Esso and run that tank out then fill up at a Shell garage and you'll notice the difference in power, do an mpg check as well, you won't ever buy Esso again

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As far as I know spam is not illegal, show me where it says it's illegal and I'll be proved wrong.
Chainmail is not illegal, I couldn't care less about whether pyramid schemes are, because this isn't one, it's just a chain mail, just like ones whch are forwarded with stupid cartoons and jokes, they're not illegal, they're just a nuisance. So again show me and I'll admit I'm wrong.
I just delete them, I don't even look at them, so I don't see what the problem is. In fact most go straight into the junk mail box and get deleted by msn.

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i pay 92.4p for petrol so if some fool is paying a £1.00 then more fool them for not looking around

as one station increases prices another drops theirs , its all competition and the lowest priced gets my custom :)

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Thats more illegal what you've just put K.S.H. they could take that as slander as you've got no scientific evidence to back it up. Not that I care or disagree, I'm just making the point.
I don't see how it can be illegal to send spam, as it's not illegal to send it in the post.


That's a sensible answer. I don't know anywhere here thats a quid a litre, only the tamworth services.

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I couldn't give a toss if it is or not, I'd tell them myself if they asked me, I have done the test a few times and its my opinion that its crap, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
I never told anyone NOT to buy it, I told you to do the test yourself, don't you see this kind of thing on the TV ads everyday? fair enough they don't call the cometitive products crap but thats what there trying to say :)

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12...law_goes_live/


i will let you google chainmail

note.. I have made no claim as to how effective the law is.. only that it is illegal.. while you tell everyone it isnt ? :)

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To spam it you'd have to send it indiscriminately, you're sending it for a purpose to your friends, it's not spam.

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sending somehting to your friends isnt spam... thats pretty obvious.. I think your getting mixed up.. godfreys idea isnt spam and no one said it was....

oh dear.. you did read the thread yes ?: )

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Ok you've showed me something that I didn't know about, not that it's followed. It seems daft to me, no wonder My paper kunk mail has soared , but thats online companies and this isn't an online company it's individuals.

I can't find anything that says chain mail is illegal, thats written, not clothing, unless it makes false claims or promises any kind of return, such as pyramid schemes. a straight email giving the recipient information and asking them for help boycott a company, and asking the person to forward it on isn't mentioned.

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LOL K.S.H you say it how it is, don't beat about the bush. It's crap.
I used to notice the same when I filled up at certain places too, save petrol made the car sluggish.

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SPAM – an UNSOLICITED email that offers a service or something for sale.

However if at the head you declare that it will be the only email that the recipient will receive from you and there is a disclaimer at the end with a link to enable your email address to be removed from the database and you identify yourself with name and address, then it is not classed as SPAM. It becomes legitimate advertising.

However none of that is necessary if you write something like:
“My friends and me have decided not to buy petrol from any Esso or BP garage for the foreseeable future. We will only buy from Shell and supermarket garages instead. We are doing so in protest at the high pump prices. We reason that lack of sales of BP and Esso petrol throughout the UK will force those two companies to reassess their pricing policy. When they do it will put pressure on other petrol companies to do the same. The end result being a reduction in petrol prices at the pump.”

You will notice that nowhere does it invite the recipient to join the boycott. To do so could be classed as inviting collusion.

Incidentally who supplies the petrol for the various supermarkets? Surely Esso and BP are in there somewhere even if the brand name isn’t on the pumps. Has Shell got themselves a monopoly in supplying supermarkets?

Sadly the scheme is a non-starter except for a few dedicated people. People will say, “Yes! Great idea!” then come the next day they will have forgotten all about it and fill up as usual.

We, the general public, are a divided bunch and will cater to our own needs over and above the needs of anyone else.

The petrol companies and the government, if you pardon the phrase, “have us over a barrel.”

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Is collusion of this type illegal in this country though?

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jambutty.. no one is saying the mail is SPAM ...

another one not had the good manners to read the thread...

the mail is chainmail not spam.. spam was added to the conversation as an aside by hatter and nothing to do with the original email.

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In that case we're all agreed it's not spam, and chain mails aren't illegal, so whats the problem with it.

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Just one thing with your petrol revolt, go to any refinery and you will see tankers of all denominations going in empty coming out full. BP and ESSO, will just laugh.

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all the supermarkets get their fuel of the large companies. there's bp, esso, shell, and a couple of others if I remember right.

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Collusion to do someone harm is illegal Madhatter. As in conspiracy to defraud.

But I did read the opening post KIPAX and the thread and concluded that such an email could be seen as SPAM hence my response.

I wish you luck in your quest but I fear that it will be a wasted effort.

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probably why I mentioned it to.

It's not defrauding them though is it, your saying that if people don't buy their products they may lower the price as a result.
To ask for someone cooperation against rivals isn't illegal as far as I can see, unless you can find something. It says it is in the states though.

In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them — usually, to obtain property or services from him or her unjustly.
No ones being decieved.

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I’m no lawyer but some smart mouthpiece could argue that preventing a person from selling their goods by asking others to boycott buying them can be construed as fraud and of course it is damaging them. No sales, no profit – ergo damaging the business.

I would like the scheme to succeed but we members of the public are not united so it has to fail in the end.

Sorry KIPAX and godfrey but that is my view.

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I am puzzled... Why are you apologising ?

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I don't think it will either, but as a matter of course you should be sourcing fuel at the cheapest convenient place. that helps to keep price down and competative as has been said. We buy ours either on a bunker card for those that go to aberdeen, or here from the brobot fuel depot. As I only go as far as kent or carlisle I can fill up here.

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Then stop arguing about spam! :p
His idea is not great because it needs too much support and people won't inconvinience themselves, but it's not illegal :p

And erm, anyone saying boycotting a product is illegal, well, I hope to god you're wrong. It's everyones choice what the heck they do with their money, and if I said to someone, hey lets not buy from X shop because it's prices are too dear, and we'll let them know about it in the form of a letter so that they might decrease prices..

I can't see how thats illegal unless you live somewhere like N Korea ;)

Signing up to this: http://www.pipelinecard.org/
Will help you get cheaper petrol though.

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Does this mean you actually read the thread you where replying to now?

Maybe we like arguing about spam.. so who are you to tell us to stop?



hahaha you poor deluded soul... show me where it helps you get cheaper petrol... all i can see are if but and maybe...

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Okay lets be pedantic.

Signing up to this: http://www.pipelinecard.org/
Aims to help you to get cheaper petrol.

Better?:rolleyes:

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Its not pedantic.. its the difference between information and crap... you post telling people that site will help people get cheaper petrol.... thats absoloute and utter bollox..

then you come back with pedantic ? I think you meant bollox :)

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just thought I'd add - as an aside - that the boycott of Nestle was actually in protest against their campaign in the third world to convince women that powdered milk was better for their child than breastfeeding. The problem with their claims is that they failed to point out that there are specific guidelines to follow in preparing bottled milk, the instructions on their products were often printed in English, which the mothers quite often couldn't read (if they could even read at all), the water used to prepare the milk was very rarely clean enough for a newborn baby's immune system to cope with if the new mother could get a ready supply of water in the first place, and finally, due to the sheer cost of powdered milk in relation to income, many women in the third world tended to put less powder in the mixture than was required (to make it go further), thus causing huge rises in infant mortality due to malnutrition. It was an evil affair, Nestle knew what was happening, but they just stepped up their advertising campaign and even had representatives who'd travel around advising young mothers to bottle-feed.

Anyway, back on topic - Petrochemical companies - another bunch of corporate crooks. Just boycotting petrol forecourts won't hurt them in the slightest as they're instrumental in so many industries that it'll merely be like a fly buzzing around an elephant - a mild annoyance at best. Their biggest market is probably in the production of plastics - used for pretty much everything these days. Has anyone else noticed how much useless plastic packaging everything we buy comes in nowadays? I don't see the point - when you buy something you generally take it out of the packaging and throw that packaging away, and the Council say they can't recycle half of the plastic used!!! What an utter waste of energy and resources.. tsk tsk!

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http://www.spamgift.com/images/spamg...ducts/6900.jpg

You know you want one - buy it now!!!

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It's not that at all. If you read the website it explains how they want to get people cheaper petrol, it explains how they're going to do it, it explains that they're in talks with major producers. I posted a link to the website to help people get cheaper petrol, because thats what it will do once the aim of the website is achieved and they have enough members.

Lets not argue about something so trivial please

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Trivial? theres a massive difference between something that can save you money and something that cant... you said it can.. but it cant...its missinformtion..

as for arguing.. if you want to argue then find soemone else. I thought I was having a debate with an adult.. if your more interested in arguing then I wont waste my time with you... theres got to be adults who can hold a debate around here :)

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Theres nothing left to debate though is there?
It's not spam, although I think that was the most interesting debate in this thread. It's not illegal because it's not selling anything.
I still think the best is to watch the local prices and go to the cheapest.

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Thanks very much for that semihere, that was very informative, I'd forgotten the exact points of it and reasonswhy, it's been so long.
Any idea if it was resolved or is it still going on ?

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agree with hatter - nothing left to debate! but while you mean well godfrey just remember the introduction of the Poll Tax - half of the country nearly was swept up on we aint gonna pay it movement, if i remember correctly virtually everybody Paid up, and a dozen or so pensioners went to jail for non-payment! the British do buggar all unless theres a war,then watch em unite.;)

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Depends on what the war is in the aid of and what can be gained.:rolleyes:

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Petrol is 99.9p per litre for unleaded in Blackley Village, Manchester. I think it is the Total garage.

The Nestle boycott is still ongoing but in my opinion totally fruitless. Nestle make everything from household cleaners, cereals, coffee, sweets, biscuits and have numerous subsidiaries. It would be nigh on impossible to boycott every product that Nestle have involvement with. I do not agree with what Nestle have done in the third world but it goes to show just what lengths these global companies will go to in order to maintain a monoploy on their products.

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If you are interested in ethical shopping you can check things out here http://www.gooshing.co.uk/

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well that dont work enwisi i am looking for a portable printer and it shows it as
http://www.gooshing.co.uk/ssite?ss_q...rtable+printer
£169
same printer at pc world http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?
£59:99
sod being ethical i prefare to save £100

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I didn't say it was the cheapest, its about what ethical footprint it has.

e.g. you were looking at an HP printer

here is 'their' ethical footprint



BRAND
Hewlett Packard
HOLDING COMPANY
Hewlett Packard Company
POSITIVE RECORD

Animal Testing
Boycott Calls
Ecological Schemes
Environmental Reporting
Genetic Modification
Nuclear Power

NEGATIVE RECORD
Politcal Donations
Armaments

try teh same for epson etc and see what they come back with

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yes but it does say on there site
"GOOSHING makes it easy to buy brands from the most responsible companies at the (cheapest price)… and boycott those corporates that don’t care about animal welfare, human rights or the environment.."
i still think i will go to pc world ta:)

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yes, but you can now make a decision whether epson (who have negative in Nuclear power but nowt else is a more ethical buy than a HP

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Sounds like an absolutely daft scheme, because the smaller companies get the Oil from the bigger companies, therefore buying from Total instead of BP, isn't gonna work. Still be the same people counting the money at the end of the day. And it's the VAT in the UK that makes the prices so ridiculous, thats why the rest of Europe are hovering around the 70pence mark. Not sure exactly how much VAT is on Fuel, but I think it's about 40% or something daft. Perhaps if less people had voted Labour in again...? Lets face it, they don't seem to be too left wing anymore...

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Double post

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Technicality, it's still the government taxes.
Does this tax duty whatever stop people from using their car ? because I can't see it, there's more cars than ever on the road now, and there's been a very obvious increase in the last ten years since I started driving for as a job.