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sledden 29-07-2006 02:17

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does anybody get hassel of the police when trying to ride their motor bike on a field cuz i do .
they always come to my house even if we havent been on the bikes its like there harrasing us. we have been going on a field behind my house for about 7-8 years and we have ad little trouble with the police but now in this recent year they have been coming to my house more often and threatening to take all the bikes we have been good by pushing the bikes down church to go on a track down there but when we come back they always nearlly come to my house and say that there have been complantes about noise and motor bikes being ridden, but we have permisson to go on the track down church the police are thick as pig ****e.
the thick ****es think that a off road bike needs to have a number plate TAX MOT insurance log book, but you need all of that for a on road bike. we said to them why make off road bikes when you cant even ride them off road without being stopped and aske for all the details and wheres the number plate ETC. If you buy an off road bike from the shop they dont say you need TAX MOT insurance and dont offer you a number plate .

The police could do someting better than to annoy us, we aint do nothing wrong they try to fine us about the bikes and thats just a money scam they never get their fines paid from us, they could focus on crimes because all that we do is go on the motor bikes and try to have a good time without any hassel but we end up getting it we go on the bikes to keep us out of trouble but the police cause the trouble .

all that mite not make any sense but im tired at the min and wanted to say summet bout the bikes.

cheers

ukcowboy 29-07-2006 06:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sledden
does anybody get hassel of the police when trying to ride their motor bike on a field cuz i do .
they always come to my house even if we havent been on the bikes its like there harrasing us. we have been going on a field behind my house for about 7-8 years and we have ad little trouble with the police but now in this recent year they have been coming to my house more often and threatening to take all the bikes we have been good by pushing the bikes down church to go on a track down there but when we come back they always nearlly come to my house and say that there have been complantes about noise and motor bikes being ridden, but we have permisson to go on the track down church the police are thick as pig ****e.
the thick ****es think that a off road bike needs to have a number plate TAX MOT insurance log book, but you need all of that for a on road bike. we said to them why make off road bikes when you cant even ride them off road without being stopped and aske for all the details and wheres the number plate ETC. If you buy an off road bike from the shop they dont say you need TAX MOT insurance and dont offer you a number plate .

The police could do someting better than to annoy us, we aint do nothing wrong they try to fine us about the bikes and thats just a money scam they never get their fines paid from us, they could focus on crimes because all that we do is go on the motor bikes and try to have a good time without any hassel but we end up getting it we go on the bikes to keep us out of trouble but the police cause the trouble .

all that mite not make any sense but im tired at the min and wanted to say summet bout the bikes.

cheers

If you are pushing your machine to the field via ANY public road then it must be MOT'd, numberplate ect......thats the law.

So the police are quite right to stop you and ask to see your documents.

As for complaints, well if you were riding them near me then I would complain if the noise was bad.............off road exhausts are bloody noisy.

Oh and before you start saying 'you dont understand bikers' I have been riding Bikes since I was 16, both on and off road and am still enjoying it 27yrs on!!

entwisi 29-07-2006 07:32

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As UKCowboy says, pushing along the queens highway needs all the same docs as riding it. You need to trailer it to/from whereever you ride. As for riding on fields, do you have the landowners permission and more importantly as the Police see it has HE got permission and insurance to allow you to do so? Then there is teh issue of noise, off road bikes do tend to have exhausts that are louder than road bikes and with teh current bias on antisocial behaviour and noise then I'm afraid you are always going to be a target. The other thing worth considering is that a lot of road going trials bikes that get stolen often end up as field bikes and teh Police have a duty to check(you would want them to be checking every single one if it was your bike that was nicked!)

If you want to ride offroad legally then there are places to go, theres a place in preston and you could always start doing Motorcross/trials riding properly at organised events. It would also improve your riding.

Oh and as per UK, I've been riding since I was about 10 and similarly still enjoy my fix as often as possible

Neil 29-07-2006 07:56

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I would be careful if I was you mate. The Police only need to warn you the 1st time about riding your bike where you should not be. The 2nd time they can take your bike and dispose of it. In this area several bikes have been confiscated using the new ish powers the Police have. The same law can be used not only for bikes but also 4x4's, cars etc.

For the record I do not ride a bike as I think they are unsafe on the road and large number of bike riders are empty heads.
Only yesterday as I was stopping at a pedestrian crossing with a young mum and pushchair crossing, a bike overtook me on the white zig zags, went through the crossing and missed them by about 3 feet. Before you bikers start moaning there are also a lot of caar drivers not fit to get behind the wheel as well.

Madhatter 29-07-2006 11:04

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They can't confiscate it for him pushing it without documents though can they?
I think this is unfair, if they've got permission then why shouldn't they be allowed. As for the insurance, I'll take your word for it but I never knew that.

It's a shame we can't get a reply from the police to this thread to tell us exactly why he's getting visits to his home.
with people riding them on the road, and canal towpaths, I think the attitude is a refreshing change.

WINGY 29-07-2006 16:29

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Totaly agree about the laws they are all true. It is hard to find places local to ride off road bikes and if you don't have transport then its even harder. When i have the chance i go to Whitworth quarie for my prescription of 2 wheeled action, well organised place and not badly priced last time i was there although i do believe he put his prices up. i will try to remember the name and put a link on.

sledden 29-07-2006 17:01

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but the police said they cant do nothing if we push them.

Madhatter 29-07-2006 17:05

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I don't think they can, which is why I'd like some clarification

Neil 29-07-2006 17:34

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The Police have confiscated some bikes in this area.

Madhatter 29-07-2006 17:45

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they have in all areas havent they and so have british waterways. people using mini motorcycles on the tow path .

SPUGGIE J 29-07-2006 19:19

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:o Those mini moke riders run up and down the paths here in the early hours of the morning. One day the rider will go one way and the bike the other. :o

Madhatter 29-07-2006 21:04

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is that a threat or promise spuggie

Busman747 30-07-2006 02:01

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My personal opinion is that the sooner bikes are removed from public areas the better!

Is the "high" that the rider gets worth the cost of hitting a toddler and killing or maiming him or her? Sledden may well be a considerate rider but most are not. Hills are taken at a fast speed - - but who knows what is on the other side?

It is unfortunate Sledden that you feel that you are being victimised, If you had explained to the police exactly what you were doing and where, it is likely that they too would be reasonable but going by your attitude in the thread starter, you would be unlikely to win any friends from the police force. They are there to protect the innocent (mostly:D ) and other people would expect them to do just that.

SPUGGIE J 30-07-2006 11:58

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Originally Posted by Madhatter
is that a threat or promise spuggie

Lets just say that a public footpath outside my place and the grass at the side of the burn have become their race track. Same with the park and I am a little P'd of as the police are doing SFA dispite complaints. They want to catch them in the act.How they mean to do that while in there spam cans beats me. :(

talentedbutslow 30-07-2006 12:26

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lends spuggie a rope to tie on one side of the footpath....and puts the loose end in his hand ready...........:D

SPUGGIE J 30-07-2006 13:30

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Originally Posted by talentedbutslow
lends spuggie a rope to tie on one side of the footpath....and puts the loose end in his hand ready...........:D

Not what I had in mind but hey if it works.....:eek: :D

Pesonally I would wait till they get huckled and then go with my camera as the police have the bike mashed. :D

entwisi 30-07-2006 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Busman747
My personal opinion is that the sooner bikes are removed from public areas the better!

Is the "high" that the rider gets worth the cost of hitting a toddler and killing or maiming him or her? Sledden may well be a considerate rider but most are not. Hills are taken at a fast speed - - but who knows what is on the other side?

I'm sorry busman but this is sensationalistic tripe!

People ride bikes all over and if you let a toddler loose in an area where people are riding bikes then you too are as much to blame. As has been mentioned, off road bikes aren't exactly the quietest of things and IMHO 99% of riders are considerate to those around them.

Neil 30-07-2006 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
As has been mentioned, off road bikes aren't exactly the quietest of things

That is true, I am sure you can get power without all that noise, so maybe the riders of noisey bikes are not considerate.

entwisi 30-07-2006 19:55

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Actually you can't. the whole point of an exhaust is that it is a tuned pipe that creates a negative pressure just outside the exhaust valve of the engine to suck the burnt fuel vapours out. as such it is effectively a musical instrument. Also as the volume of gas is quite high it needs to get rid of it as quick as possible, any 'restriction' such as noise reduction slows down the gases and robs the engine of power as the piston now has to push the gases out. So loud 'usually'[1] equals power. Listen to an F1 car and you will get an idea :D

[1] Usually means a properly tuned pipe the full length of the exhaust, not just a dustbin shoved on the back of a 2" exhaust normally found on Novas, Imprezas, etc.

SPUGGIE J 30-07-2006 20:02

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So that theory explains the lack of unph on cars with cat converters.

entwisi 30-07-2006 20:04

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yep, good for at least 10bhp is removing a CAT

(On LPG I can legitimately remove it from my car)

SPUGGIE J 30-07-2006 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
yep, good for at least 10bhp is removing a CAT

(On LPG I can legitimately remove it from my car)

A boy racers dream.

Question though do the 600cc + motor bikes have them???

entwisi 30-07-2006 20:31

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Cats are making it onto bikes now I'm afraid :( hence the trade in aftermarket exhausts

Busman747 30-07-2006 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
I'm sorry busman but this is sensationalistic tripe!

People ride bikes all over and if you let a toddler loose in an area where people are riding bikes then you too are as much to blame. As has been mentioned, off road bikes aren't exactly the quietest of things and IMHO 99% of riders are considerate to those around them.

I disagree with your statement entwisie, I have spent most of my life in the countryside and have had a couple of narrow escapes walking along bridleways and forest paths due to inconsiderate and under-age idiots thinking they are Barry Sheene!

Sensible off-road bikers go to venues especially made to challenge their proficiency and where they are most in danger from hitting the occasional rabbit! I fear that there are considerably more than 1% off-roaders that go barrelling down the pavement to reach the nearest field - - or one of the favourite venues, the canal tow path. Are you suggesting that families should be banned from footpaths to make way for morons? :confused:

Busman747 30-07-2006 22:20

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- - - only the other day, two idiots on a mini-moke leapt off the pavement in front of me in Atlas Street, Clayton, No crash helmets, completely oblivious to the fact that I was driving a 40ft. coach weighing close to 10 ton, they were a second away from losing their lives, Is that the 1% you are talking about? If it is, they certainly get around:rolleyes:

cashman 30-07-2006 22:59

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whilst agreeing that the percentage is low i think 1% is a bit conservative.;)

Madhatter 01-08-2006 22:06

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Exactly busman, someone using their bike on open land with permission, rather than a footpath, bridleway, canal towpath has to be good. So he's doing the right thing.

Madhatter 01-08-2006 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by talentedbutslow
lends spuggie a rope to tie on one side of the footpath....and puts the loose end in his hand ready...........:D

You may have posted this as a joke, but this is bloody dangerous, and definately not funny.
One young man is paralized for life because someone thought it would be a good prank to put a wire across a known track, at neck height.

entwisi 02-08-2006 06:35

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See that smily on the end, that signifies a joke!

Neil 02-08-2006 08:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Madhatter
One young man is paralized for life because someone thought it would be a good prank to put a wire across a known track, at neck height.

See I said bikes were dangerous, especially when you are riding them in places where you shouldn't be. (It is a very stupid thing to do though, I hope they caught the culprit)

entwisi 02-08-2006 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil
See I said bikes were dangerous,

I would venture being a pedant that the bike itself is not dangerous, how,where or when we ride them is the dangerous aspect of the experience.

e.g. my own major accident. I've ridden thousands of miles on bikes, sometimes faster than I should, sometimes more recklessly than I should, sometimes mor stupidly than I should, my only major accident was because I stopped(0 mph) at a red light on a major road out of a city with a certain person in a car behind me.

SPUGGIE J 02-08-2006 15:00

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Only had 2 crashes one on a step thru moped and being hit by a fork truck. The step thru I forgot it had no cutch reved it hard put it in gear and hit a wall.

CASPER 02-08-2006 15:35

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Bikes are great in the right place in the right hands. Either taxed, insured and MOT'd and on the road with a competant adult riding them. Or on an off road track specially designed for this purpose and either ridden by an adult or a child that is supervised by an adult, in which case they will need to travel there on a trailer NOT on the road.
In the wrong place and the wrong hands they are a lethal weapon

entwisi 02-08-2006 18:21

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As are cars, wagons, and heck of a lot other things. :D

Madhatter 02-08-2006 19:23

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Yes people with common sense know it's a joke entwisi, but someone thought it would be a joke to do it, maybe someone who kept calling the police and got fed up with what they saw as no action being taken. They obviously thought it would just knock him off and he'd get up, like in the war films, but no. I'm just making the point before someone ends up in prison for playing a practical joke.
No they didn't catch whoever it was.

I always like to let bikes pass, I can't stand them being behind me and I'm sure they feel the same way.

jimmi5bellies 02-08-2006 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J
Only had 2 crashes one on a step thru moped and being hit by a fork truck. The step thru I forgot it had no cutch reved it hard put it in gear and hit a wall.

pmsl @ the no clutch and hitting the wall .... wished i had seen that one !:D :D :D

CASPER 02-08-2006 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
As are cars, wagons, and heck of a lot other things. :D

I agree, however how many are driven by children on pavements and towpaths?

SPUGGIE J 02-08-2006 19:42

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Originally Posted by jimmi5bellies
pmsl @ the no clutch and hitting the wall .... wished i had seen that one !:D :D :D

A few pals did and couldnt do owt for laughing dispite me and the machine having what looked like an intimate moment next to the wall. :o

Neil 03-08-2006 04:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
I would venture being a pedant that the bike itself is not dangerous, how,where or when we ride them is the dangerous aspect of the experience.

I would agree with you on that. All too often we all see idiots on motor bikes doing stupid things so I tend to tar all bikers with the same brush, which is of course wrong of me.

jimmi5bellies 03-08-2006 11:59

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Has anybody done the A537 Cat and Fiddle run ?

entwisi 03-08-2006 13:04

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yep but TBH its rubbish, too many cars/plod/idiots.

There is a road that runs almost parrallel that is just as good but I can't remember its name at teh min.

There are cracking roads all over teh north west for bikes, we do live in gods own motorcycling county.

jimmi5bellies 03-08-2006 13:42

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Cheers Ian, thinking of doing the run soon.
Another good one is Sherborne In Elmet ~ Squires Cafe !

entwisi 03-08-2006 19:58

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If you want some decent rides let me know, I have loads in my head

chav1 03-08-2006 20:23

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i think motorbikes are much safer than cars..

i would much rather hit a motorbike than a car or lorry for example :)

entwisi 03-08-2006 21:05

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you'll never catch me alive chav! :D

chav1 04-08-2006 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi
you'll never catch me alive chav! :D

theres that many dead cats tied to my bumper i have no room for a motorcyclist so yeah your safe..


until i buy a bigger car :p


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