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Ok i have just watched a documentary on the thing called "loose change" the real terriosts to me are the ones in the white house you wanna watch this film trust me.

A lot of people are saying that a plane didnt crash into washington ok and that the intence heat made it vaporise on contact it would only be the third in history to do so and may you ask about the first and second these took place on the same day in new york.

If the heat was that intence and melted the planes how could they identify and recover the bodys let me get this right bodys will burn in less heat than a full plane, and how did it manage to get through four steel reinforced walls the only thing that can do that is a missle and if it did hit the lawn were was the big crater also if you look on satlite photos two days before 9/11 why is there a strange white line appearing out of no where leading right up to the point where the plane hit.

also the plane was meant to have hit five lamp posts and carried on in 1993 a plane in america hit one lamp post and crashed...does it make you wonder also what happend to the passengers on the plane that was forced down by the passngers trying to be hero's there wasnt one drop of blood at the site no even a crater there was a hole that looked to be dug by man.

also beneath the world trade center is a gold bank, why two months after the debri was moved did they find trucks and cars in a tunnel under-neath in like a convoy with the gold lauded up, also watch as the towers come down youll see white flashes like plastic exploisve being used to destroy normal builidings becuase in new york a plane once crashed into the empire state building destorying five floors and burning on for some time it didnt fall down.

also ever heard of 757 test, it was a remote controled 757 which sucefullys was flew and landed very well and why was 11 of the terriosts on the list handed out by the fbi after 9/11 who were surposed to have done act still alive now and why was there bodys not exaimed.

whats are your thoughts on this also why where the phone calls off the plane victims to there family strange when calling your own mother have your said your full name ?

if anyone has anything please add even useful links will do and maybe this should be maken a sticky with all the 9/11 threads now and again.

(Sorry for any spelling or grammer mistakes i may have made)

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Never heard so much utter tripe in all my life.. As for the robebry theory.. Just like die hard 3 eh...

What happened, happened.. lets not make a mockery of it with fairy stories..

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i bet there's a guy in a white vest thinkin wrong place wrong time...

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yep, the same folks who believe this conspiracy stuff also believe George Bush is a member of MENSA , sorry .....but both theories are wrong
Although.............I have allways wondered why , when domestic flights in the US during the summer months of 2001 were flying at 90%+ occupancy the flights which crashed were only carrying a passenger load of 50%+/-

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I watched a Dvd called In Plane Sight, docomentury made by POWERHOUSE you`ve probably heard of it, an American radio station.

All i can say is it does ask some questions watch it and see what you make of it

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As with all events that cant really be compihended then the "conspiracy theory" allways rears its ugly head. The company I work for had personel in the buildings some who survived and some that died and they would more than likely refute it was a conspiracy and tell you it was exactly as it is ie a murderous terrorist act. To even think that there is something other than what it is shows no respect for those people that died or those that during and after it fought to save others.

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Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(video) about the video, and many of its external links. Obviously not everything can be proved as some of it is assumptions, but it shows that an awfull lot of this is completly wrong. Not that I believed it for a second anyway. :p

Heres a small preview:

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I've seen a link somewhere can't remember where, if I find it I'll post it but it was to a site all about this

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i know who is realy responsible for the 9/11 attacks..

some sod ordered 2 jumbos from the hotdog stall outside the twin towers and the order got mixed up along the way ;)

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some people claim it couldnt have been the airplanes that did it.

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the twin towers were built out of lego it had to happen sooner or later

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There is now way that the twin towers were brought down by them planes becuase there were explosives in the buildings and before people how could they get there, several weeks before most of the floors at the trade center were evauated for strange drills and a few days after Sniffing dogs were removed from the trade center for un-known reasons and 2 months before the owner of the Wtc took out a 7.7 millon insurance policy which coverd terriost attacks the trade center was built to with stand a plane crashes and fires as well as hurricanes, so why two planes which only took out 4 or 5 floors destroy both towers and why did the second tower which was hit by the second plane fall first.

also the bulidings coming down looked like planned demolition, there is no way get fuel which burns at 2000 fharenheit melted high grade steel which melts at 3000f, there for the trade center was brought down in a controlled demoliton and to back this up in july 2001 in new york two bulidings were brought down in a controlled explosion for no reason and the lot remains vacant to now, 9/11 was levrage for bush to say what he wants when he wants the same for englands 7/7 attacks how convineiant there happend in the same week they tried to introduce id cards to stop terror alerts.

I still respect everyone's beliefs even though i may not agree with them, also the gold bit wasnt a fairy story they did find the trucks also in Die hard 3 lol it happend in a bank becuase he was "Having a very bad day" before being told to go out onto a street with a sign.

Also the other the plane which the so called passnegers brought down how come no bodys where found at the crash site not even a single drop of blood was found, The stuff i have found about Flight 93 is little but i know that plane did not crash into the ground. Something happened to it but what? The whole-in-the-ground with a lump of metal in it people claimed to be flight 93 was not real unless it was blasted out the air. I dont know what happened to flight 93, no one really does.

Unfotunatly, some people still try and blame muslims even though there is NO proof,
Here is something that makes the pentagon a COMPLETELY fake; planes have crosswinds http://www.break.com/movies/crosswinds_from_jet.html

I also i would like to say sorry if i offended anyone with this 9/11 post or the 7/7 bomb attacks and am truly but i belive that the world needs answers.
News reporters and other camera crews got to the Pentagon quite quickly. People from around said it wa a plane, everyone was shocked, no one could be definate though. The only way to tell is the videos from a gas station, the hotel (of which i cant remember the name) and the traffic one. All of which have been conviscated by the FBI. The hotel workers have been warned not to tell anyone what they saw on that tape....why the cover up.

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If this was some big mass conspiracy, and the Bush administration really did cause the towers crashing down as you believe, then why the hell would they allow some guy who can't get his facts right (the creator of loose change) spill the beans? Surly if they were gonna kill 3000people or whatever it was, they'd not really give a damn about shutting some guy up trying to uncover everything?

Oh and the whole steel thing, the way you write it you seem to suggest that at 2999f the steel is completly solid and has 100% strength. Then suddenly it loses it all at 3000f, well just use logic, of course its going to be much weaker under 2000 degrees, it dosn't need to completly melt does it.

See http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html for a complete rundown on everything.

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you've seen that site then lex. I can't find the url, but it was interesting. They say there was a flash at ground level just before the towers came down, and also they exported the scrap, before it could be examined properly.

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Have any of you seen the information about the Pentagon site, where measurements to the damaged area were compared to teh measurements of a plane etc.. and how in such a high security place such as the pentagon only one security camera was able to show anything. also eye witness reports broadcast live at the time never to be repeated again in future footage described a missile heading for the pentagon.

The flash, hatter, i saw the info about that too, apparantly a flash was seen prior to impact of the plane into the tower, which could have possibly been some sort of detonator device? And also how fire crew interviewed said when the tower was coming down it was like a series of explosions.

try this site:
http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/in...p=view&ANN_id=


All i can say for DEFINATE is Whoever for whatever reason did this to so many innocent people is disgusting, and what a waste of wonderful llife for too many innocent victims. May there families find peace amongst the mess .

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I heard, I read, I think.. What beggers belief is that so many of you believe so much twaddle.. Just because someone made a docu video then it must be true ? deary me..

If any of you are interested in buying some land.... meet me on blackpool beach at 2pm ... I have loads for sale :)

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I NEVER said it must be true, i just said what i have heard in response to Lex`s posts.

But at the same time throughout life people have different beliefs, religion, politics etc.. who believes everything a party political broadcast campaign says? who believes everything a tv advert says, who believes everything they are told by who ever.. a documentary or people in power or someone in the pub.
It is good that people question what they hear from whoever they hear it, otherwise we are just puppets who believe whatever whoever wants us to belief. I am not a puppet.. and neither are people who search for different aspects to a situation rather than just believing what they are expected to believe.

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I didn't say I believed it either, I just said it's interesting and possible. The only film I've seen kipax is one explaining how the building was supposed to be airplane proof but did infact have a flaw in the design, it was biult from panels that were held up by a central column, the heat of the fuel from those planes apparently buckled the the metal and with the weight of the floors above, THAT floor gave way, the weight of all those floors hitting the floor below, which must have been tremendous, just crushed it. Once the mementum was there the rest just got crushed.
From what I remember of seeing it live it collapsed from the top down, not from the bottom up which is what would happen if there was an explosion at the bottom that blew up the central column. It helps if you know just how the building worked and how it was put together.
When it was built it was unique, its not really one sky scraper but several built on top of each other. No lift went to all floors, each lift went to ground, then something like 15th, 30th, 45th floor, each of these were called sky lobies, then you got a lift from the sky lobby to the floor you wanted. Otherwise you'd have spent all day in the lift. The outside walls were like jigsaw puzzle pieces, which were light but strong enough to do their job, from what I can remember there wasn't an external steel structure like most buildings, the weight was carried by the central column. Maybe this is what they meant but airplane proof, the chances of anything severing the central column would be slim.
But then there was all that fuel.
Don't quote me on any of that though as it's just off the top of my head

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I dont think we can agree whats right and whats wrong but we can Discuss it and be serios about it, and we all have our beliefs on what happend and it my terms none of us are right or wrong becuase we see what we want belive.

I would to say thank you for everyone who has taken part in this serious disscussion that we have all had too, by all means please post more links and facts so we can read you have all been a great help with this.

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I believe what I want surrounding the towers the same as others believe what they want but to think we are tards because we cannot be converted is wrong!!! We are all free minded and I for one aint indoctrinated in owt!!!

Some of what you have about America may be true but they are best summed up as a bit paranoid, big proud ego's, and a case of F&^%$ with me and I will F&^% with you.

As for the rest well as I said I aint indoctrinated into anything.

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I don't have the link available, but I'm sure if you search in the CNN film archive you will come across a ground shot of the South Tower about 20 minutes prior to collapse. Look closely and you will see Fred Dibnah lighting up some tyres within a hole he has drilled out of the corner. You will also see a similar sooty blaze coming from a pile of tyres at the bottom of the North Tower.

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Appreciate the thoughts of KIPAXS and SUGGIEJ. I wasn't either in NY or PA diuring 9/11 but believe what is said and shown to have happen happened.

The FACTS about the plane that HIT the Pentagon are from a friend who was literally at ground zero. He was an electrician overseeing work in that wing. My friend HEARD the deafening sound of the jet's engine, saw people burning, had to wipe JET fuel off his own glasses, had 2 of his company's truck melted by the intense heat, and watched from a distance all the goings on.

He was never asked not to speak about it!

Brian

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Oh please shut up. Dont even get me started on this topic. What utter crap.

You cannot prove ANY of them theories you have just claimed! Explosives in the buildings.. sniffer dogs removed.. owner taking out insurance?! Ive never heard such crap in my life. You cant prove any of this, so why are you saying it? Its from what you have read on some internet site trying to get publicity. Its absolute b*llocks.

And surely it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the planes flew into the buildings, destroying (severely damaging) the structure. Which caused the weight of the floors above to collapse onto the floors below?.. sending the towers down?

Go take your nonsense elsewhere.

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When something dosnt make sence conclusions are made and wether right or wrong they stick. What happened is something that aint gonna be answered for certain regardless of what we think hear say or do.

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My final words on this are what happened to people being allowed to express their opinions without being insulted or got at for their views. It`s supposed to be a free country i take it Accy Web is not a free site for people`s VARYING opinions to be allowed without people calling each other?

I for one, do not wish to be part of such a site, where insults are flared at for people`s opinions.

I`ll leave this group of VARYING people with a thought to consider:

How come when party political broadcasts and election campaigns are being brandished everywhere do the majority of people say "stupid politicians always tell lies," then once in power the same people take every word that comes out of their mouths to be gospel?
I am glad that some people question what they are told and make their own minds up opposed to being media puppets, spoon fed what they must think, what they must believe.

So good luck to all you, And please LEARN to respect others, how can you respect yourselves if you can`t respect others?

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what i find shocking is that 1 outta 5 americans - or something close to that cant remember when 9/11 was

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Thaose that cant remember maybe dont want to remember and are trying to move on. The Twin Towers destruction wont be forgotten but people still have to move on and get on with life. If they dont terrorists of every creed colour and religion will have won. Do we really want that?

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Fact The Website for MI5, (yes our secret service actually does have a website you can view it here if you don’t believe me), announced that from the 1st of August 2006 they would have a new terrorist-o-meter on their web pages. This would let us know when it's safe to go onto the streets.

Fact Within days of this happening our security forces uncovered a plot to destroy thousands of lives by blowing up airliners, (this caused the terrorist-o-meter to go up from serious to critical).

Fact Within hours after this disruption, airports were gridlocked, security checks stepped up and the only hand luggage to be taken on board in clear polythene bags.

Conspiracy theory number One There was no terrorist plot it was just a web master somewhere trying to prove that all the money invested in work he had put in to the terrorist-o-meter was worth spending.

Conspiracy theory number Two There was a terrorist plot but using liquid chemicals to blow up the ‘planes was a bluff, they had already sold the airports the plastic explosives disguised as cheap clear polythene bags so that innocent passengers could smuggle the explosives on board for them. This must be true because otherwise where would the airports have got so many bags from at such short notice?
(Whatever you do don’t squeeze the handles too hard that’s where the detonators are hidden).

If either of the above conspiracy's is of interest to you then please copy and paste them to any other site you like, but will you please ensure that any royalties for the above stories comes to me.