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KIPAX 24-08-2006 17:02
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Sorry i just didn't like the original post where it is inferred that it isn't rape if she was drunk... I dissagree with that.

garinda 24-08-2006 17:04
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Sorry i just didn't like the original post where it is inferred that it isn't rape if she was drunk... I dissagree with that.
...but in my original thread that is what your relative told you.

The question remains would you inform the police to let them and if necessary a court decide if he was innocent?

SPUGGIE J 24-08-2006 17:05
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Accymel what if his drink had been spiked with a "poler" drug it could happen.

accymel 24-08-2006 17:07
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Rindy

You are in a pickle hun, you have to do what is right, least try to encourage this relative to come forward to the police because him hiding away is only going to make matters worse when they do catch up with him - that could even show guilt due to avoidance - least then its giving him the change to redeem himself, if the police wish to see you or talk with you & find out you are withholding information to their enquires they could threaten you with 'perverting the course of justice', so its quite serious in its implications for yourself too.

If it is a cry wolf situation the police will get to the bottom if it as they are aware this happens but also a same time have to treat it seriously in case it is the truth.

accymel 24-08-2006 17:14
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Accymel what if his drink had been spiked with a "poler" drug it could happen.
Spuggie 'could' its extremely rare besides not guarantteed the effect would keep his thingy up enough to cause penetration besides most women desperate enough find willing candidates anyway which does sometimes cause the cry wolf syndrome - which i do disagree with which is commoner.

My friend had her drink spiked with rhohipnol & was subsequently raped after being taken somewhere - she woke up knowing she had been attacked but couldnt remember incident after for some weeks but tests showed she had this drug in her system after reporting it straight away, she was a right state & completely scared of getting a drink out in public again!! Women being spiked is a lot more common.

chav1 24-08-2006 18:09
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actualy accymel there are plenty of cases that have got convictions were a man has been raped by a woman its just not as frequent as men rapeing women

saying a man wouldnt get a stiffy if he didnt want to is ludricous , men are ruled by their di*ks not teh other way around if you beleive what women say about us lol

never had a **ck up my **se either , unless their are some very perverted doctors at queenspark ;)

accymel 24-08-2006 18:18
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Chav, the only ones ive heard that happening is of case of being a minor at the time or that it isn''t reported.

Mmmmmm men ruled by their winkles - most cases yeh so then willy consented for ya so jail the willy:p:p:D

Lucky for you that you haven't suffered the horrifics of rape!

Tinkerbelle 24-08-2006 18:28
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actualy accymel there are plenty of cases that have got convictions were a man has been raped by a woman its just not as frequent as men rapeing women
Can you back that one up with English law chuck? Mel is right, a woman can only be convicted of indecent assault. For the reasons she has already so eloquently given ;)

Rind, I would listen to my conscience, it always seems to know best.

garinda 24-08-2006 18:33
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Rindy

You are in a pickle hun, you have to do what is right, least try to encourage this relative to come forward to the police because him hiding away is only going to make matters worse when they do catch up with him - that could even show guilt due to avoidance - least then its giving him the change to redeem himself, if the police wish to see you or talk with you & find out you are withholding information to their enquires they could threaten you with 'perverting the course of justice', so its quite serious in its implications for yourself too.

If it is a cry wolf situation the police will get to the bottom if it as they are aware this happens but also a same time have to treat it seriously in case it is the truth.
Mel, I didn't start this thread because I'm actually facing this problem and needed advice from Accy Webbers. I was interested after Katex, and then Jambutty, asked Kash what he would do if he knew about a planned terrorist attack, and how we would face a terrible dilema if someone we cared about had done a terrible thing.

Nothing is ever cut and dried, no matter what some people say on here. Life's an awful, messy shade of grey, and not black and white.

accymel 24-08-2006 18:42
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Originally Posted by garinda
Mel, I didn't start this thread because I'm actually facing this problem and needed advice from Accy Webbers. I was interested after Katex, and then Jambutty, asked Kash what he would do if he knew about a planned terrorist attack, and how we would face a terrible dilema if someone we cared about had done a terrible thing.

Nothing is ever cut and dried, no matter what some people say on here. Life's an awful, messy shade of grey, and not black and white.
That maybe wasn't stressed but fact my advice is based on what i'd do & the consequences as if it was real. The fact is rape as with murder sometime the 2 link together is real life's one real messy shade of all colours & people will handle things as to whats best for them, nobody can prepare themselves for terrible things that happen in life certainly at consequence of someone elses behaviour to which they could control.

Its easier to talk of things that 'could' happen dealing with it when it does is another as i know too well.

garinda 24-08-2006 18:50
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Perhaps I should have said hypothetically the police had appealed for someone who turned out to be a relative of yours, who was wanted for murder and not rape.

I was just trying to think of the most heinous crime I could think of, and the moral dilema we would face if someone close to us wouldn't hand themselves over.

The question still remains, would you report a loved one to the police if you knew they had committed a crime?

garinda 24-08-2006 18:53
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Again I stress, this is a hypothetical question I'm posing! I don't really know anyone wanted for rape!

But thank you for all the pm's. I know who to come to if I ever did have a problem.:D

chav1 24-08-2006 18:56
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Originally Posted by garinda
Again I stress, this is a hypothetical question I'm posing! I don't really know anyone wanted for rape!

But thank you for all the pm's. I know who to come to if I ever did have a problem.:D
hey mate you do have a problem its just that your beyond our help :D

Margaret Pilkington 24-08-2006 20:13
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WE all THINK we know what we would do....but if the situation were real then you might find that you would react differently. Hypothetical dilemmas are just that....hypothetical..not real and therefore no problem!

Margaret Pilkington 24-08-2006 20:14
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Hypothetical dilemmas do not test your moral fibre like real ones do.


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