Moral dilema.
 

Following on from the questioning one of our members about what he would do if he had some information about a planned crime, what would you do in a similar situation?

The scene-

Police appeal for information after a woman has been raped.

A close relative admits he is the person the police are seeking, but swears that it wasn't rape but a drunken consensual liason.

What would you do if the person said he wasn't going to hand himself in and explain his stated innocence?

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If she was drunk then it should still be rape.

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why ?

not saying women have to be drunk to shag me but theres been quite a few who have had a drink or 2 previous but then again i have had alchol too , does that mean ive been raped ? :eek:

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A very valid point. it works both ways.

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like most things it dosnt though

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You aint implying what I am thinkinking are you Chav?? :eek::p

Alcohol the best thing to make bad look good! :eek::p

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That's not the point, he said they were drunk, the police haven't.

Would you inform on the family member to the police?

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The police will make their own judgement based on any evidence. As for dobbing in the only people who can answer are those involved.

The fact they were drunk could predudice the case due to past incedents of this type.

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I would first attempt to encourage the family member to do it on their own accord.

I would then try to find a mutual contact or someone who knew the victim to find out a little more about the situation.

But yes, ultimately if I felt it all stacked up then yes, I would inform the police.

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I meant your story was flawed... She said its rape.. he said she was drunk.. thus he is saying its rape as well IMHO

Your story asks would you believe him that he wasnt guilty or at least take into account if it was rape or not before deciding to tell.. Had you left out the drunk bit then there would be a dillema and a harder choice... If you believe 100% your family member says he didn't rape.... in your story he is as good as saying he did rape which effects your decision .

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The story isn't flawed. A woman was raped and the police appeal for information. A close relative tells you it is him they are seeking but says it wasn't rape and they were both drunk, i.e. you only have his word for it.

Do you inform the police if he doesn't?

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A nice honest answer that Gayle. Me I dont know what I would do a bit of a rock and a hard place question for me.

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Unless you are bummed mate!! Technically A woman cant force a man to be forced into 'performing' unless he wants to - simply it wont rise to the occaison, whereas a womans bits can be penetrated whether she wants to or not certainly by force or not!

Would say if you would be classed as sexually assaulted by a woman if that was the case closest thing for men to be raped is by other men with intention of doing your botty without consent or by force - quite horrific & is same intent as in case of a woman being raped either by front or back entrance.

Rape = its penetrated sexual assault by force or against the will of the victim. Trust me its not a nice experience & something not to joke about, specially bothers me when people 'cry wolf' it itself is abuse of the system & needed resources for genuine victims & for someone to use it as a cop out for their own actions is quite insulting!! Rape is a frightening nasty experience & even very life threatening that effects the victim & their family for a very long time after & causes long term effects.

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Then your question should read

A woman was raped and the police appeal for information. A close relative tells you it is him they are seeking but and it was rape and they were both drunk.

Your original post did not say they where both drunk and you indicated in the first line that it was a planned crime. your latest version does not adhere to either of those points.

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Sorry i just didn't like the original post where it is inferred that it isn't rape if she was drunk... I dissagree with that.

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...but in my original thread that is what your relative told you.

The question remains would you inform the police to let them and if necessary a court decide if he was innocent?

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Accymel what if his drink had been spiked with a "poler" drug it could happen.

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Rindy

You are in a pickle hun, you have to do what is right, least try to encourage this relative to come forward to the police because him hiding away is only going to make matters worse when they do catch up with him - that could even show guilt due to avoidance - least then its giving him the change to redeem himself, if the police wish to see you or talk with you & find out you are withholding information to their enquires they could threaten you with 'perverting the course of justice', so its quite serious in its implications for yourself too.

If it is a cry wolf situation the police will get to the bottom if it as they are aware this happens but also a same time have to treat it seriously in case it is the truth.

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Spuggie 'could' its extremely rare besides not guarantteed the effect would keep his thingy up enough to cause penetration besides most women desperate enough find willing candidates anyway which does sometimes cause the cry wolf syndrome - which i do disagree with which is commoner.

My friend had her drink spiked with rhohipnol & was subsequently raped after being taken somewhere - she woke up knowing she had been attacked but couldnt remember incident after for some weeks but tests showed she had this drug in her system after reporting it straight away, she was a right state & completely scared of getting a drink out in public again!! Women being spiked is a lot more common.

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actualy accymel there are plenty of cases that have got convictions were a man has been raped by a woman its just not as frequent as men rapeing women

saying a man wouldnt get a stiffy if he didnt want to is ludricous , men are ruled by their di*ks not teh other way around if you beleive what women say about us lol

never had a **ck up my **se either , unless their are some very perverted doctors at queenspark ;)

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Chav, the only ones ive heard that happening is of case of being a minor at the time or that it isn''t reported.

Mmmmmm men ruled by their winkles - most cases yeh so then willy consented for ya so jail the willy:p:p:D

Lucky for you that you haven't suffered the horrifics of rape!

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Can you back that one up with English law chuck? Mel is right, a woman can only be convicted of indecent assault. For the reasons she has already so eloquently given ;)

Rind, I would listen to my conscience, it always seems to know best.

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Mel, I didn't start this thread because I'm actually facing this problem and needed advice from Accy Webbers. I was interested after Katex, and then Jambutty, asked Kash what he would do if he knew about a planned terrorist attack, and how we would face a terrible dilema if someone we cared about had done a terrible thing.

Nothing is ever cut and dried, no matter what some people say on here. Life's an awful, messy shade of grey, and not black and white.

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That maybe wasn't stressed but fact my advice is based on what i'd do & the consequences as if it was real. The fact is rape as with murder sometime the 2 link together is real life's one real messy shade of all colours & people will handle things as to whats best for them, nobody can prepare themselves for terrible things that happen in life certainly at consequence of someone elses behaviour to which they could control.

Its easier to talk of things that 'could' happen dealing with it when it does is another as i know too well.

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Perhaps I should have said hypothetically the police had appealed for someone who turned out to be a relative of yours, who was wanted for murder and not rape.

I was just trying to think of the most heinous crime I could think of, and the moral dilema we would face if someone close to us wouldn't hand themselves over.

The question still remains, would you report a loved one to the police if you knew they had committed a crime?

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Again I stress, this is a hypothetical question I'm posing! I don't really know anyone wanted for rape!

But thank you for all the pm's. I know who to come to if I ever did have a problem.:D

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hey mate you do have a problem its just that your beyond our help :D

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WE all THINK we know what we would do....but if the situation were real then you might find that you would react differently. Hypothetical dilemmas are just that....hypothetical..not real and therefore no problem!

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Hypothetical dilemmas do not test your moral fibre like real ones do.

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Yes I would go to the Police, then to the papers making a bundle of cash for my story and live happily ever after.

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Come to me babe, I will look after ya' .. this is very funny thread, all this digressing and no- one answering the original question. :D

My question on the other thread had nothing to do with the actual crime, just whether a belief in a certain religion would overcome the atrocity of the intended plot, blah, blah,blah.

My answer is, yes, if it were someone close, i.e. my much adored son (by me of course) would definitely report him if he could not be persuaded to go to the police himself. After all, would have been soon discovered and 'arrested' anyway, so would always hold him in good stead.

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A woman with her knickers off can run faster than a man with his pants
round his ankles.
Only a looser tries to make it after booze, so i'd mind my own business that's
if you could find a copper in accy cop shop. :cool:

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if it was a relation of mine it would have to be rape= there all ugly. seriously though if i even suspected i would ask them to go tell the police the same story,failing that i,d shop em. end of.

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for the person who left the deduction with the comment OTT heres an abreviation for you

STFU :p

also check out www.buyasenseofhumour.com i think they still have a few in stock ;)

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Yes I would tell the police after giving him 2 days to give himself in and then leave the police to do their job and find out if it was a cry wolf or it was rape. I would hate to grass them up but i wouldnt like it if it was me that was raped.

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Even though he inspired me to start this thead, and if I was petty and vindictive (:D), I draw attention to the fact that even though he has been online, Jambutty has failed to post in this thread about morality.


Just as he drew attention to the fact that Kash hadn't answered Katex's hypothetical question, even though Kash hasn't been online here since the question was asked.

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Well said our Mel !!!

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Thanks Dad :D

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Come on Jambutty.

Since you inspired this thread by asking for other members to answer questions posed to them, won't you answer my moral diema question?

At least you've been online, unlike poor Kash, and aren't usually reticent with offering your opinions.

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Changed my mind but unable to delete post