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It was bin day round here yesterday and when I went out for my emptied wheelie bin I found a notice attatched to it.

It basically stated that I had put out my bin too late but on this occasion they had emptied it as a courtesy.

I put out my bin at 08.15, the collection hadn't been round as everybody else's bins were there, and full, some still had black bags protruding from them. The notice stated that the bins have to be out by 07.30, which mine usually is but due to being away on thursday and not getting back until 3am, I was 45 minutes late putting out the bin.

Needless to say that the notice was immediately binned..... You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't with this council. If I had put out my bin on Thursday morning before going out for the day, I would have been risking a fine.

This is going to be a real problem for some people, especially in winter. Where I live, we are told that we have to wheel our bins to the bottom of the alley. There is no way that I will wheel my bin down there in the dark. Not only would I risk slipping on slugs and shog dite but I feel it is also a risk to my personal safety, as there are so many weirdos and druggies frequenting our back alleys.

I will also struggle in winter when I'm on nights. I sleep until 5-6pm, go to work and don't get home until 8.30am. When will be the right time for me to put out my bin????

Has anyone else had this problem??

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Have this work-shy bunch of slackers in the refuse collection department nothing better to do with their time?
If they were to spend more time actually keeping the streets clean, instead of finger pointing, the streets of Accrington and the surrounding towns would be a damn sight cleaner. :mad:

Who has dreamed up this ludicrous scheme? :confused:

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Before you go to work. If they complain you can always ask them how your supposed to put it out when you are not there. No point asking them first as they won't have thought people might actually work at night.

I liked the bit in the paper last week when the Council chap was on about the tags n the bins. He said that the bins belong to HBC not the resident. We will all have to remember that the next time HBC try to charge one of us if their bin gets lost/stolen.

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Put it out as you are going to work and if they call around to slap your wrist, tell them someone must be trying to steal your bin because you only ever put it out when you are on the day shift.
:mad:

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:D :D :D The worst thing that ever happened to our town, was employing
B.As in rubbish to empty our bins, gone are the day's of "never mind love we all have to decorate " wall paper no! owt does it realy matter.
My advice to all disgruntled residents is- if you pay any Council Tax (rates), as a matter of courtsey don't pay till the 5th of April next year
that is when it is offically due.
They can't do a thing about it. :D :D :D

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I can't put mine out as im still on black bags. It's been nice here for ten years, expensive compared to other council places that are 3 bed but we got the windows cleaned and a cleaner even though she's no good. Now we're bein charged 4 quid for cleaning windows, no doubt the cleaner will be next, then grass cutting and last but not least charged for collecting our bin. I'll be paying more to live in a one bed than a three bed.

So in a way you're lucky, they could charge you for placing that notice.

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My daughter, who lives in Cornwall, can't put her rubbish out the night before because the seagulls turn up at dawn and rip it all to bits. She works nights too and really struggles with it. Just black bags for her and no wheelie bin things.

We have two choices........one yellow bin, for plastic and a green one for normal rubbish......both placed on the street corner. The muck truck turns up at around midnight every day..........problem solved!

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do the council not realise that people are usually at work during the times they want you to put your bins out!

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Have these jumped up jobsworth's nothing better to do. You are in trouble if you put your bin out the night before the collection, and now you are rebuked for putting it out late. You want to "nicely" inform them Lettie that there are other people out there that who also have public responsibilities, and your agenda can't always coincide with theirs.

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I phoned up once to say that I wouldnt be able to put my bin out at the correct time as I would be at work and was told to leave my back gate unlocked and leave the bin in the doorway if you will - so the bin men could get it - I asked if they would put it back and was told no - I then said so I have to leave my back gate lying unlocked and open all day so my bin can be emptied ? 'yes' was the reply - I then asked if HBC would be liable if my house was broken into or something was stolen due to my gate being left open all day on their request/demand...a very long pause and then ' I will pass you onto my boss'...transferred to this guy who said they wouldnt be held liable as I should be there to have it emptied !!!...I then asked am I not allowed to have a job and be at work when this is done and would he go out all day and leave his back gate open to all and sundry...his reply ..'no' - I then said dont ask other folk to do it if you wont..he said he doesnt make the rules only enforces them...I had to put the phone down as I was a bit annoyed..I now put my bin out the night before - and they can try and tell me its going out too early...

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Reason I put mine out night before is purely bad timing in the morning:-

a) If I put it out around 7 o'clock just after getting up and showering I would be there for all to view with wet hair, pyjamas and no make-up !! .. hmmph see me dead outside without that !! Also, in winter in danger of catching a cold.

b) To put it out at 8 o'clock when ready to jump in car, could be windy and wet and newly applied make-up and coiffure would go asunder. :eek: Stilettos 'aint good for dragging bins up the drive either.

No not jesting, just a facile woman.

What I can't understand Lettie, is how they knew you hadn't put it out before 7.30 a.m. .. is this a specialised job by one of the bin men to check such violators of the law ? Or do you have a 'tell tale tit' living near you.:eek:

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well katex - I know of a couple of 'curtain twitcher' who live near me...they know more than anyone - infact I am sure the observer newspaper phones them for stories !!

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love that willow my sense of humour.:D

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I also put my bin out the night before as seems the rest of the street do too!! So if they're gonna fine anyone they will have to do the whole street!! :rolleyes:

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Yup i put mine out night before too about 11pm cos you never know what time they are going to arrive sometimes its been 7.30am then 8.30 am even been as late as 2pm i dont see what the problem is if you put your bin out before the bin van comes :confused: seems stupid to put a pointless notice on....fair do's if you do actually miss the van but no need to if you dont.

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Being retired and thus not having the need to go to work I have no need to get up with the rest of the herd. I can wake up at any time of the morning be it 8:00am or noon or any time in between. So I’m darned if I am going to set my alarm so that I can get up to put my bin out at 7:30am.

I put my wheelie bin out the evening before it is due to be emptied and so do most people round my way. No one has complained so far but I know what the answer will be if they do. Forum etiquette prevents me from stating what that answer will be.

However there is one drawback with putting the bins out the night before. If you listen carefully during the early hours of a morning you may hear a commotion outside. A quick look from behind the lace curtains will reveal the wheelie bins pushing and shoving each other in an attempt to be the first in the queue to be emptied. Sometimes this kafuffle can get so violent that one bin will end up flat on its back with its lid open gasping for breath and its innards spilled out onto the road.

Whatever happened to co-operation?

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Always put mine out the night before and the same for blue box collection as they come at....7:15 here for that and wake every one up! I do know that one of the bin chaps has to walk down the backs making sure all the bins are facing the right way[a challenging job by the sound of it] so maybe he dobbed you in for being late Lettie!

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My biggest gripe is when they have emptied the bin they just dump it on the pavement.they dont even care whether its outside the right house or not..

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I do try to put out my bin the night before, but I will struggle taking it to the bottom of the alley in winter when I get up in the evening. It is really dark in our alley and I am not prepared to risk my personal safety wheeling my bin down there in the dark.

The reason that I was caught out was that I hadn't wheeled my bin down the alley. I was still in my pjs and I left it outside my back yard door until I got dressed. When I went out to shift it a few minutes later, it was gone. I assumed that one of the neighbours had taken it for me but it was probably the bin man.......hence the notice.

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Why should you have to wheel it to the bottom anyway. Did you have to put your bags at the bottom before.

Write to them them and inform them you will only wheel it to the bottom if they write to you taking all responsibility wheeling THEIR bin down THEIR back street. After all 2 weeks rubbish can be very heavy.

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round my way they leave the wheelie bins in teh middle of teh road or half on half off teh pavement , the road is already narrow and to top it off it is a bus route as well

anyone remember when bin men atualy grafted and deserved the wages they got , i certainly remember watchin bin men cary 2 full steel bins and tip them into the bin waggon then return them to the special hole in teh wall that most terraced houses used to have

now the bins are lifted by hydrolics all they have to do is drag the bin to the lift , the bins even has bloody wheels on now for christs sake so why cant they put them back propper :rolleyes:

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Must admit GrannyClaret, they always put my bin back down the drive where I keep them .. only occasionally do I have to get out of my car to move it aside. I will praise them on this.

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the only drawback with putting them out the night before is other folk putting their rubbish in YOUR bin !
I put mine out one night and forgot about a bag of rubbish so I went out before I set off to work - opened my back gate and 4 black bags of rubbish fell on to me ! - someone had kindly place their rubbish on top of my bin which fell into my back garden..I simply grabbed the bags and put them against the bins already lined up outside..cheeky feckers...

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You know neil you have hit the nail on the head!!!! :mad:

They brought these wheelie bins in because of health and safety regulations on the Dust bin mens back problems having to life heavy bags.

What about our health and safety?? In Letties case she has to walk down a DARK back alley on her own, RISK?? YES..........

Heavy bin with 2 weeks rubbish?? RISK?? YES

Slippy pathing when wet Risk?? YES

HELLO!!!! where is our health and safety?? :mad::mad::mad:

HBC are taking the P*ss not just the house hold rubbish every week.

Sometimes I feel like ringing them up and telling them to deduct the cost of my rubbish collection that I pay................... I will take my own rubbish to the TIP in huncoat, at what ever time I feel it suitable and I will take tins, paper, cardboard ect.... all at the same time, Not one lot on a monday, then another lot on a thursday ect......... :mad:

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Yeh, 'tis cheeky without asking... I have invited my neighbours, as I have not so much rubbish now, to put their overflow in mine . Two boisterous and hungry boys they have.

Last week, came home and looked in bin, and saw a bit of loose food waste in bottom, wasn't pleased, as I always double wrap left-overs. The funniest thing was that a white rubber glove had got trapped in the lid, and the fingers were hanging out like one of those joke things that used to be on the boots of cars.

I was appalled to think what the binmen thought I had been up to. Anyway, next day, my lovely neighbours must have realised wrong bin and changed. :D

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Oh Tish, never thought 'bout that one. I wrap in newspaper (should be in separate bag), then in Supermarket bag (plastic). You gonna' give me nightmares Willow, oh, the stress.:eek:

Slinky: you right, they are very heavy and must be very difficult, not only for Lettie, but for frail pensioners older than me :D that have to cart it, even a short distance. I did fall over one day whilst pulling it up (put it down to me stilettoes of course).Picked meself up,dusted meself down and started all over again, but suppose could have had more dire consequences. !

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I did fall over one day whilst pulling it up (put it down to me stilettoes of course).Picked meself up,dusted meself off and started all over again, but suppose could have had more dire consequences. ![/quote]

Katex if you didn't need to PULL these things up and down all the time then you wouldn't have fallen. Before we had wheelie bins, if a dust bin man cut himself/herself on glass from one of our rubbish bags, he was well in his rights to sue us. So why does that not apply to us. After all we are carting THEIR property around :mad:

One RULE for ONE and another for the bloody HBC :mad:

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i still maintain my view that recycling should be done at the tip by chain gangs of convicts and not by us in our homes :)

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This sort of thing boils my blood. I`d write to the head of Cleansing demanding to know why the bins have to be put out by 7:30 if the collection time is later, is it so they can have a root through your bin?.If you don`t get a satisfactory reply go to the Observer. Also point out that it is not a courtesy to empty the bin, it`s an obligation and tell him to stop flyposting your bin. If they want to point to you ask them to write to you personally.

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What I cannot understand is just how it was the binmen were aware that you did not put your bin out until 8.15. Do they employ someone whose job it is to go around checking all the bins at 7.30 or is this done by the embedded microchip?

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At the moment a little jobsworth sneaks around with the official bin rooter to see what you have. As this is random they get all bins out by 07:30 so that no one knows the target area. The council does not trust modern technology so relies on legs and eyes. :eek:

It seems as though the binmen want an easy job but as was remarked earlier it does not take the older people or the frail into account. I was under the impression that in some areas the rubbish has to be split ino the normal and recycleable which is lifted on a rota basis of every 2 weeks or is it 3. :confused:

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http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/roundab...ing/Refuse.htm

You may note that the 7:30 time is a guide, as per there own website. So sod `em.

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I think that the sense of authority has gone to heads of some of the binmen........please note I did say SOME....not all!

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They say:


Well I'm not leaving ours in an open gate/doorway. It goes outside and the backyard door is closed and locked. We've been burgled once too often by leaving it open.

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Ah well I must admit this is where I do adhere to what they say, whenever I remember to make my bin available and if I'm up in time I always leave my wheelie bin in the open gateway for them to collect, otherwise I would have to risk life and limb lugging it down the three very steep steps leading to my back alley and the latest lot of fly tipping that they will attempt to prosecute me for!:p

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Do you not have assisted bins? Here i dont have to put my wheelie bins out the binmen come to the back door take them and empty them and bring them back. If there is something medically wrong with you or a pensioner who cant drag their wheelie bin to the gate then the council arrange for the binmen to pick it up.

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here we have to put ours out .no particular time though so long as they re out for collection ,one week black bin (normal rubbish) week after recycled stuff garden , tins n newspapers..i do agree with recycling but these lads have it far to easy these days. If the lid is slightly open which happens sometimes with one wheelie bin for two weeks rubbish and a family of 5 , they wont take it and expect you to take it to the tip yourself and they slam a large yellow warning sticker on it to tell you they wouldnt accept it..

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That doesn't make a ha'porth of sense does it? It all ends up in the same place whether they take it to the tip or you do. It has to be disposed of! So what else do they expect people to do with their surplus rubbish? Fly tip? :mad:

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seriously willow it gets me so annoyed sometimes .if i didnt have a 17 yr old who is prepared to actually stand on the damn rubbish to push it down i d be off to the tip every week . the system would work if only they gave us 2 bins for general rubbish ..........but i do feel for those who have steps to clumber up and down

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I have posted this before I think. There are 2 reason why they want the lid shut.

1. The lid can be damaged and rubbish can fall out of the bin onto the men below if they lift it with the lid open.

2. They are trying to force you to use your recycle bins by limiting how much you can fit in the non-recycle bin. If there was no restriction many people would make no attempt to recycle at all.


I am with Chav on this one though, the rubbish should be sorted by HBC not by us. Most of us do not have houses designed to assist with recycling. We dont have the space either outside or in our kitchens for several bins. I refused to use the blue box because I will not put sharp tins in it where my small children could get at it, the provided lids do nothing to aid safety. I also refuse to wash the tins out, they are sharp so go straight in my tin bin. Also why should I waste my water washing them?

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lets not forget that the tip which is not council owned anymore gets money for all the tims we hand in and plastics etc

we are doing all the work and making them rich , it wouldnt be so bad if teh council owned the tip and the money made from teh resale of recycled goods was taken off our council tax bills

we pay the wages of the people who collect the rubbish

we pay for the bins , box's etc

we pay for the binwaggons

we probably pay to have it tipped atthe tip

so al in all teh tip owner gets all his recycled goods delivered to him , washed and cleaned at our expense then sits back and watches the money roll in :mad:

and if the above information is inccorect then see below ..

i pay counci tax and tax to be served ,not to be a servant

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So we are getting reemed with course sand paper then. Better not complain too much or we will end up being charged based on the amount we bin which will be bad news for people with families.

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I find the same thing Granny.I live at the end of the terrace, and have painted my door number in white on the side of the bin, but the idiots still put my bin three doors up the entry.

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I thought you did not pay Council tax :p

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must admit i too refuse to wash my tins out ....its dangerous and ridiculous

think its more like bullying tactics from council .

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Nope tin washing isn't for me either, any tin that needs washing doesn't go for re-cycling, I'm not wasting good clean water washing something that when re-cycled goes into a furnace, (if that doesn't remove the contents nothing will).
During that hot spell a few weeks ago though I did have quite a few of those little tiny flies that you sometimes see in pubs, couldn't understand where they were coming from 'til I accidentely kicked my blue box, swarms of them hit the air, they were breeding in the bits left in my old beer cans, so blue box now kept outside.
http://www.kevhead.com/images18/0260...%20drinker.jpg
I must admit I've only got half way through transferring the contents of my blue box to the back yard, I've come over all tired.

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Yes Willow the blue box, that's where they said cans should go when I first got it and although I have heard that some people got letters saying cans in the blue sack I haven't had a copy and my blue sack has instructions about what plastic they want and what they don't want in it, so until they refuse to take plastic in the sack and tins in the box that's the way they will get them and they had better feel grateful that I do that! The day they send me a letter telling me I'm a naughty boy for doing it this way is the day everything goes in my wheelie bin! There's plenty of room in there for everything!

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whe have a blue wheelie bin for tins cans and bottles ,glass or plastic
a red wheelie bin for garden waste
and black wheelie bin for normal rubbish

takes a fair bit of my garden up .oh and blue bag for newspapers no catologues or shiny paper

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According to HBC we don't have a garden so we don't have garden waste. I don't know what that thing in front of the house with a tree in it is but HBC reckon it isn't a garden. :idunno:

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I don't have a garden either. I have 4 rosebushes and a large Ivy and lots of soil in my back yard but it doesn't qualify as a garden :confused:

I reckon that it would qualify if it happened to be in a higher council tax band area...

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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: so what do you have to do with your garden waste etc? that is unbelievable ..

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They save it all up for a dark moonless night then,

Dump the lot up my back alley when they think no-one is looking!:mad:

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I don't wash any of my re-cycling waste out either. All my garden waste goes in the wheelie bin. Does somebody have to separate the plastic bottles from the cans?

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Well me and my big mouth. No sooner have I made a sarcastic comment about "a little jobsworth sneaks around with the official bin rooter to see what you have" than they are in the buckets having a rummage this morning and TAKING NOTES about the content. Wouldnt be bad but we dont have bins etc for stuff to be recycled. Just waiting for the letter now saying we must recycle but as the kids keep burning the bins and the council and police not giving a blue tit then I cant win. :(

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I can't understand why the council won't empty the bins if the lid is slightly open. I know it was mentioned in a previous post about the rubbish falling on the binmen, but every time i see our binmen they push the wheelie bin to the back of the waggon, step to one side, then press a button. I can't be anything to do with the weight either, i.e. a bin half full of one type of waste could be heavier than one full to the top with another. If this is the excuse, the bin wagons are pretty lame.

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Pondering to health and safty. A gust of wind might catch the lid with the result the binman cops it on the conk and needs 6 nmonths of work to recover from the injury and the mental distress it caused. All on full pay of course.

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That sounds more like the real reason. I heard that they can only push the bins, & not pull them, for health & safety reasons.

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The council is so afraid of it happening they will say or try anything to avoid it. Next the path will have to be smooth with no obsticles in case the bin hits it stops and the binman goes over the thing.If someone puts household electricles in our bin area and the binmen find they are in the way ours dont get emptied trip hazzards etc.

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I must admit that i'm quite lucky that my bin goes right outside my back gate, & the alleyway is quite wide so i don't have the problems that some people face. Also, because i live alone my bin only really needs emptying once a month. I do put it out every fortnight though.

1. Because i'm paying for a service.

2. My nieghbours have children & might run out of space in their own bins for all the rubbish, so they can put it in mine.

As for putting it out by 7:30am, I don't finish work until 3:30am, so mine goes out as soon as i get home. Neveer realised how lucky i am until now.

:)

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you thought wrong all i get is the single persons discount :mad:

heres my other gripe with HBC

i have a front and back garden and so do all the other houses on my avenue yet i am not in a garden area according to HBC

i asked where the garden areas were and low and behold its the higher band areas like posh parts of oswaldtwistle etc

so despite the front and back of my house been covered with that green stuff called grass it appears my area isnt posh enough or dosnthave the correct type of grass to be considered a garden area

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well how typical and similar our councils are , now every week since our system changed to the three bin thing both collections have always been between 10 and 11 am for recyclin so my bins have always been out for 8.30 9 am. hubby put both bins out at 8,45 ish and off down to the allottment we both go ..just got back a short while ago only to find my tinnie bin still full but garden waste empty...asked my neighbour if hers had been done and it turns out that tin bin s were emptied a 7.30 this morn uurrrrrgggggggghhhhh they are allowed to cock up the system but complain when we do it strong complaint going into local coucil tomorrow ,,will have to wait a month to get it emptied now

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One thing that i do find disturbing about all this, is that the re-cycling bins/bags are left out on the pavement all day. Thus showing that nobody is home.

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If anyone is interested tonight BBC1 7.30 The real story ............ a programme on chipped wheelie bins aand what it actually means....

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where i live the council have decided to search through 700 wheelie bins to see what we are throwing away,we have been told to recycle more,well i dont know how recycling works in accy but we have 2 small boxes that get taken once every 2 weeks one box for cardboard and paper and the other one for glass,and we also get a blue bag for plastic/tins,thats when they decide to actually give us the bag,their meaning of plastic is just bottles no marg or icecream tubs or anything like that,well i like to recycle but it would help if the council actually did there job and actually recycle most things

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I would like to see that program but there is a problem its Wednesday its on at 7-30 and Anne wont miss it what am i talking about ? Corry of course :p

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know what ypu mean mick we are having to tape one ore the other ...will prob watch corrie and tape bbc1

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They push the bins AccyJay so that they can load it onto the wagon without having to turn around.

When I put my black bin (the council calls it a grey bin) out on a Thursday evening I pull the bin to the kerb and leave it handle towards the road. So does everybody else.

When the binmen arrive one guy grabs TWO bins pulls them both into the road and pushes each in turn towards the wagon. He then returns them more or less on the pavement by pulling them. It has been known that a bin without the handle outwards has not been emptied.

That programme tonight is going to be interesting and an excellent alternative to Corrie or whatever it is called.

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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:

That made my day, posh parts of Ossy,Ta.

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well watched real story and what a damn cheek these councils have what it all really boils down to is them screwing us for more money ..what got me about the programme wer they say they cant afford weekly collections yet they can waste money on employing people to go around trying to catch the residents who have left rubbish in thier alley purely because the council wont take it . ok fine the ones who fly tip by all means but why cant they either supply bigger bins or do a weekly general rubbish collection.
one family on there last night were doing all they possibaly could to recycle and still had general rrubbish left that couldnt fit in there wheelie bin , surely this tells its own story ?why cant they just sit up and listen to the people who matter ? but no thats too easy for them they would rather accuse us of being dim and make out its our fault we dont recyclye properly because we dont understand the bumph they sent to us .........what a load of trout

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that was also mentioned in last nights programme willow , make you wonder if the councils are just using all this green thing now to line thier own pockets

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Did you see the size of one of the council 'experts', talk about a fat cat? There was just enough space around him to see that they where filming at a tip.

I think when he finally throws his suit away that will create a land fill problem all by itself.:eek:

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I wouldn't bother putting your green bag out at all Willow, they don't get collected. After several weeks of putting out my bag, and having to fetch it in again due to it not being collected, I rang the council. I explained the situation and that none of the bags on our street were being collected. We were promised faithfully that they would be collected at the next re-cycling collection.

I put my bag out and went away for the weekend. When I came back, the bag was still there advertising the fact that my house had been empty all weekend. I then e mailed the council waste people giving details of the phone call and the lack of collection. I sent a copy of the e mail to Graham Jones. Within a couple of days someone came knocking on our doors (I was out at the time) and they arranged the collection of our bags. It was too late for mine, I had taken the stuff to the re-cycling point at Asda but at least some of the elderly neighbours got their bags shifted.

At the next friday collection 2 green bags were left out by neighbours...They were not collected. I give up :rolleyes: Save yourself some hassle and take your shoes and textiles to Asda, it's quicker..

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Re: What a cheek!!!
 

So it looks like the various councils will go ahead with this bin bug scheme once they get the go ahead from the government.

However there is a problem. My black wheelie bin is larger than the standard and thus will weigh more and some people have smaller bins than standard and they will weigh less than the standard. When they weigh the bin the total weight will probably be recorded and the weight of the standard bin will be deducted to arrive at the nett weight of the rubbish. So unless our esteemed council have taken into account that some people have different sized bins I could end up paying for rubbish that isn’t actual rubbish but my bin. Conversely others will get some of their rubbish taken away for free.

We all know that a portion of our Council Tax goes to finance the rubbish collection. I assume that it will be reduced pro rata. Yeh! And pigs might fly.

Then there is the situation of all those who have their Council Tax paid because they are on benefits. How will they be treated? Badly I should imagine.

On one of the very rare occasions when I was up and about when the binmen came round, as I shuffled towards my car one binman said to me, “Where’s yu bin?”

I replied, “I’s bin here all the time. Where’s you bin?”