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Busman747

24-09-2006 14:23

We All Face Death - But Why Mecca As Well?

When you finally snuff it, pass away or maybe just cease to be alive and your friends and family are ready to bury you under several ft. of soil, do you have any preference as to which way you face?

According to tradition, most graveyards bury the dead facing East - but Nottingham have other ideas for their new 40 acre cemetary:confused:

Despite there being a low population of Asians in the area, (less than 5%) it has been decided by Steve Dowling, (Services Director for Environment and Public Protection) after liasing with the cities "Multi-Faith Cemetaries Consultative Committee" that EVERYBODY (No pun intended:p ) should be buried facing the North-East so that they can look over their shoulder towards Mecca :rolleyes:

Amonst those that are shocked or angry at this decision is Raza Ul Haq, Iman at the Madni Masjid Mosque. This confirms to me that it is NOT pressure from Asian people but white pc mad demi-dicatators that are actually opening the divide between White and Asian communities in the name of racial equality:mad:

Now personally, I couldn't care which way I will be facing (infact I prefer the cremation thing anyway as its cheaper:D ) but to be deliberately placed in a position that was decided to appease a minority religion would make me want to come back and haunt Mr. S. Dowling!:bootyshak

AccyJay

24-09-2006 14:36

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Originally Posted by Busman747

Amonst those that are shocked or angry at this decision is Raza Ul Haq, Iman at the Madni Masjid Mosque. This confirms to me that it is NOT pressure from Asian people but white pc mad demi-dicatators that are actually opening the divide between White and Asian communities in the name of racial equality

It would be very interesting to hear the views from other asians about this subject. To my knowledge, most cemetary's these days have a seperate section for the deceased friends & relatives of the asian community.

Busman747

24-09-2006 14:40

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To my knowledge, most cemetary's these days have a seperate section for the deceased friends & relatives of the asian community.

That makes perfect sense AccyJay, - especially as it is a NEW cemetary.

Oo-er, are you saying AccyJay that they should bury the friends and relatives of the deceased:eek: :p

Neil	24-09-2006 14:50

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I prefer the cremation thing anyway

Maybe cremation should be stopped as it might be adding to the greenhouse effect.

Busman747

24-09-2006 15:02

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Maybe cremation should be stopped as it might be adding to the greenhouse effect.

I should think that the vikings would have something to say about that - and they are a minority group :p

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 15:12

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Oh NOOO! Don't even joke about cremation being banned. :eek: I don't want to go underground. I have a morbid fear of being buried alive if I'm not dead. Anyway what about the people who want open air cremations?

Why should 95% of people who don't want to face NE have to face NE on the off chance that some of the other 5% might object to not facing NE? None of them have complained. This is the sort of PC nonsense which creates racism.:mad:

Neil	24-09-2006 15:14

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Why should 95% of people who don't want to face NE have to face NE on the off chance that some of the other 5% might object to not facing NE?

How do you know that 95% don't want too?

SPUGGIE J

24-09-2006 15:15

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Maybe cremation should be stopped as it might be adding to the greenhouse effect.

Fair point but cant see it happening. As more housing is required then what would get priority "20 hectares for a cemetery or 20 hectares for homes? The way this PC business is going the minorities are gonna blow them of as it makes them out as the bad boys when as in the case here its some arrogent jobsworth. As the Christian and Jewish faiths originated in the middle East then laying a Christian or Jew out with a north east orientation shouldnt matter its just some prat thinks justification comes from Mecca being in the east.

Does that also mean that all those bods that worked in the city of London and look upon Wall Street and New York as the source of their religion, capitalism should be laid to rest with a northwest orientation? Where does that leave the rastafarians? Its a pile of crud from a narrow minded piece of job protecting butt cleaning yes man who's religion is that pile of crap called politically correct. Maybe its time for an anti political correctness lobby!

Shane.

24-09-2006 15:20

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Maybe we should all be recycled after death and used for something else because it does seem a hell of a waste of space ie good land lost and potentially damaging our atmosphere through burning. There may come a day when we don’t only have to put our plastics in the blue sack, our papers in the white sacks we’ll also have to put out our dead in a black sack or something and have it collected every other week.

Neil	24-09-2006 15:26

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Fair point but cant see it happening. As more housing is required then what would get priority "20 hectares for a cemetery or 20 hectares for homes?

Plant is in green belt land, it would help the wild flowers grow better.

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 15:27

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How do you know that 95% don't want too?

Waffle alert!

I don't mean that 95% actively don't want to. I mean that 95% don't actively want to. That being an assumption because there is a 5% muslim population and therefore a 95% non-muslim population to whom it does not matter that they should point NE. Maybe to some of those it even matters that they should point elsewhere other than NE. Has anyone asked them?

It also sounds like it hasn't particularly bothered the muslims up to now either as they haven't complained as we know of. Have they perhaps just accepted being buried in whatever directiom prevailed for the cemetary they were buried in? Or did they have a little NE facing corner of their own?

Less	24-09-2006 15:27

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I have a morbid fear of being buried alive if I'm not dead.

Done it again haven't you Willow?;)
The Only way to be buried alive, Is if your not dead!:D

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 15:34

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Fair point but cant see it happening. As more housing is required then what would get priority "20 hectares for a cemetery or 20 hectares for homes?

Maybe we chould start doing like they did in old catacombs where they dig up the oldest bodies and just stack up the bones on shelves?

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The way this PC business is going the minorities are gonna blow them of as it makes them out as the bad boys when as in the case here its some arrogent jobsworth.

Wouldn't be at all surprised.

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Maybe its time for an anti political correctness lobby!

Listening to all the people who complain about PC perhaps we should let our voices be heard by our MPs.

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 15:36

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:p @ Less

andrewb

24-09-2006 17:05

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Safe bet is to get caught in a fire! ;)

bullseyebarb

24-09-2006 17:17

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This whole funeral/burial thing is way too pagan for my taste. My will instructs that I am to be cremated and the ashes scattered in the woods surrounded my house.

SPUGGIE J

24-09-2006 18:20

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What way would you face if burried at sea?????

morgan_brotherz

24-09-2006 18:27

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Oh dear. I really think I may have to leave this country before long. PC is driving me mad =| Get me to an English country now..

Ianto.W.

24-09-2006 18:50

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Maybe we chould start doing like they did in old catacombs where they dig up the oldest bodies and just stack up the bones on shelves?

Wouldn't be at all surprised.

Listening to all the people who complain about PC perhaps we should let our voices be heard by our MPs.

In Mexico if you can't pay the rent for your loved ones bones, in the catacoums it is chucked out and rightly so. Even the underworld is getting crowded, ask Orpheus! Chin Chin.:D

junetta

24-09-2006 18:54

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In Tenerife, you have two choices, cremation which is the way I prefer, I don't want to be buried alive either, and the second choice is in a hole in the wall. Before they shove your coffin in they cover your body in quicklime. Five years later the hole is ready to receive a new resident.

The local Canarians have a special day during the year when they all go to the wall holes and spend the day with the dead folk.

mani	24-09-2006 21:39

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that sounds slightly freaky junetta

in mecca u do tend to get ALOT of deaths esp as many muslims feel its esp good luck if u die in a place such as mecca - and over there they barely leave any room between the bodies but then come next year the place does seem rather empty so they must dig them up again and relocate them in the desert

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 22:20

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I wonder how long they leave them before digging them up again?

There are a few cultures where people spend time with their deceased relatives but I agree with Mani that it sounds a bit freaky to those of us who are not used to it. They have something like "day of the dead" in Mexico don't they?

Another good reason to be cremated then.

cherokee

24-09-2006 22:33

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This whole funeral/burial thing is way too pagan for my taste. My will instructs that I am to be cremated and the ashes scattered in the woods surrounded my house.

ERE ERE no burial or graveyard for me either
cremation only way for me i dont want to take up land i want to be part of it .preferably around my rose bushes and apple tree with hubby

junetta

24-09-2006 22:44

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After a long search I have managed to find a pic of a local graveyard or holes in walls.

WillowTheWhisp

24-09-2006 22:46

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Oooh look, they've got their own wheelie bins! :D

cherokee

24-09-2006 22:49

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bet they dont have the hassle we do getting them emptied lol

junetta

24-09-2006 22:51

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No, rumour has it that the ghostie truck passes by at midnight.

Ianto.W.

24-09-2006 23:37

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Hyndburn Council are going to put silicone chips in the grave, to make sure your rotting fast enough.

SPUGGIE J

25-09-2006 10:26

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Hyndburn Council are going to put silicone chips in the grave, to make sure your rotting fast enough.

They would struggle with me. I eat that much food laced with additives and preservatives that there will be no need for an embalmer when I cash my ticket.

Mick	25-09-2006 10:42

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So you dont want to be buried alive Willow but you dont mind being cremated alive ?

Cherokee dont you mean spread round your tabacco plants then you can go up in smoke twice;)

WillowTheWhisp

25-09-2006 10:48

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I figure it's the lesser of two evils. If I'm not dead the smoke and flames will probably kill me a lot quicker than suffocating while I try to claw my way out.

I think it was seeing "The Fall of the House of Usher" when I was a kid that did it. :eek:

grannyclaret

25-09-2006 12:45

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I dont want to be burried either Willow,,, its the thought of worms and creepy crawlies that make me cringe,If there was no cremation then I would rather be chucked in the sea at high tide than be burried..

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