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i couldnt beleive my eyes when i read this on tletext this morning and then when i picked up the paper there it was....(link below)

POLICE TOLD NOT TOO ARREST MUSLIMS DURING PRAYER TIMES AT
RAMADAN .....

wtf is this country coming to ?...its gonna be dead on it knees within 5 years if this bullshine is allowed to continue....

if im a bad boy between now and xmas do you think il get away with not being arrested on xmas day ???...

I THINK NOT.....

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http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_head...name_page.html

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Absolutely ridiculous.

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i dont realy care if this is a racist coment or not but the way i see it is if thay come to live in our country then thay should live by our rule soon it will be us having to live of there rule

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Perhaps they'll be too weak from fasting, to know that they've broken any laws of this country. Bless 'em.

What a load of old ball=cocks.

The pillock from 'Community Relations' who sent out the email should be sacked.

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Could he not be arrested for sending offensive material over the internet?:rolleyes:

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Is it only me that finds the report a tad fantastical?
Any newspaper thet refers to police as 'cops' doesn't exactly provide the most sound information in my book.
I'll be waiting for the facts :)

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It was a bit lacking in facts. I was looking for a link to read the full story. Still newspapers have to legally have all the facts before they publish a story, otherwise they could be sued.

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A few more details I've just found on the BBC news site.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6073162.stm

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:mad: Whats new? they get away with everything else! they get what they want when they want it, and if they dont were racist!!!!

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Thanks for that, Garinda.
Well, for me it makes sense.
It's not preventing making arrests, it's just attempting to prevent repercussions. Why should an individual's crimes get in the way of other people's prayer, which people of Muslim faith value highly.
Obviously if people want to make a big thing out of the situation then that is all very easy to do.

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well said!!!!!

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But this sort of 'sensitivity' to Muslims is producing a public backlash.

You don't here of anything similar being issued at Sikh, Jewish, Christian festivals.

I would say the same thing if 'sensitivity' was called for at Notting Hill Carnival, or Manchester's Mardi Gras.

Everyone should be treated equally by the law, regardless of who they are, or what minority they happen to belong to.

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excuse me but the criminal should be arrested at the polices convinience not the theirs , if they are commiting crime then they arnt been a good muslim anyway so arresting them in the middle of prayer will show the rest of the congigation that somone's been a naughty boy/girl

the reason prayer would be interupted is because somone has been a naughty person and the police should not be dictated to on how to do their job just because of religeous matters

if teh police want somone who is known to be at a certain location at a particular time then of course they should go there and get the person asap because the person may escape if he is alerted that the police are waiting outside for when prayer finishes

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Who are the British people who condone it?

By the way, being British as well as Muslim is not incompatible, you can be both.

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As long as the law is applied equally, OK. Just hope you aren't heading down the French path, though. I have read quite a few articles which state there are many areas in France where the police dare not go. If true, sounds like anarchy to me. Not that it really matters, of course, because it's looking more and more likely that France is toast anyway. And Belgium. And the Netherlands. Not making enough babies. Except those named Muhammad....which I understand is now the most popular name for newbies in all three of the above mentioned countries. Only the fourth most popular newbie name in England.......so get cracking, you lot. There's still time!

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I hope you are not starting your own baby farm, and offering yourself as a breeder!:D

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If this was any other minority no one would care. But because of the stigma afflicted upon the Muslim population of Britain, it is a sudden necessity to make a mountain out of this molehill.

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As I posted earlier, I would care.

If the Manchester police had issued a similar warning, say when it was the cities gay Mardi Gras in August, I would still think this over sensitive approach is wrong. Everyone should be equal before the law.

Positive discrimination stinks, and very often causes more trouble that it intended to help, because of the inevitable, justified backlash.

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How is the backlash justified? It's not like these individuals are excused from being arrested!

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maybe thats because out of all the faiths in britain muslims are the ones who are always demanding this , wanting that and protesting about some injustice or other where as the rest just get on with life and do their own thing and that was said by a muslim on a discussion program last year on TV , i forget the name of teh show but it had representitives from various comunities like jews , hindus , muslims ,christians and teh chineese

the fact that over teh past few years the muslim faith has been tied in with terrorism dosnt help either , iem not saying muslims are terroists but the two have been put together pretty strongly by the media so when special concessions are made for them it gets peoples backs up

what faith you have should come second to the law and shoudl be irrelivant to any criminal enquiery,if your naughty you get arrested

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There was a story in today's Observer saying how half the racially motivated murders in the past ten years were on white victims. When you think that in this instance, Musilms who make up about 3% of the UK population, and are getting special discompensations in regard to the law, that in my opinion is wrong, just as it would be for any targeted group, whose case was going to be handled more 'sensitvely'..

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Link to the story in the Observer.

It is slightly off tangent, but illustrates how one minority group are wrongly benefiting from supposed positive

discrimination.Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Nearly half of all UK race murder victims are white

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So all of the 50% of racially motivated murders are commited by people of Muslim faith :confused:

Chav, you seem to take a lot of your reasoning from the media, consider the reaction of non-muslim people on this forum, and then decide which side of the story will sell more papers.

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Not at all, don't put words in my mouth, but by targeting one minority group leads to the backlash you questioned, when I said it was inevitable.

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I didn't intend to put words in your mouth Garinda, I apologize. It was the conclusion I drew from your post.

I think the backlash is all drawn up by the media's stirring headlines & misplacement of facts.
I'm not being a standard bearer for the actions of the police, not at all, however I do have a problem with the way it has been portrayed to the public which is inevitably creating more social divides.
Like we need them.

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They are not saying that the criminals shouldn't be arrested and I'm pretty sure that if anyone is caught in the act they would be arrested on the spot, in fact, that's what the police have more or less said.

They are just suggesting that arrests aren't made during prayer time and I think that's relatively reasonable - there would also be outrage if the police barged into a mass and arrested someone.

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Still disagree.

Muslims are being targeted, without their asking to be I might add, and whether at prayer or not, unless it applies to every other faith, it is wrong.

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Too old for that, honey. It would take a miracle!

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well i totaly disagree with that and to be honest it is a ludricous proposal

many muslims speak 2 languages and it would be very easy for a wanted person to be tipped off that the police are waiting outside and disappear while the police are twiddleing their thumbs waiting for prayers to end

suspected criminals get dragged out of their homes by the police naked and infront of their children in teh middle of the night for example , just because somone is in teh middle of a prayer it shouldnt make a blind bit of difference.Like i said before it isnt the polices fault they are there so if teh rest of teh people want somone to complain to they should complain to the guy who is arrested because if he wasnt a naughty boy the police wouldnt have to be going to get him

religion is a choice but the law is there for everyone and if you cant obey the law then expect to get arrested and dont cry about where it happens if it does

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Obviously a member of the 'They could have a bomb under their veil' brigade then, Chav1...ok.

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The instruction is for arrests for minor offences such as not paying a fine, for which a warrant has been issued.
This does not apply to on-the-spot arrests.

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i made no mention of bombs or veils ?

so what is it now , if we dont agree with you were racists ?

oh and if i was a racist i wouldnt use a muslim taxi firm , drink in a muslim owned nightclub and definatly wouldnt eat at dixie chicken or eat in muslim owned resturants.

sometimes you realy can be a cupid stunt and for somone who comes across as inteligent you realy can look a twit at times :rolleyes:

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Calm down dear, it's only a thread :rolleyes:

I'll make it clear for you, shall I?
Making the link between Muslim people being bilingual and all ganging together to protect a criminal, is under the same notion as making the link between suicide bombers and Muslim people wearing veils, which people of your distinctly low IQ often seem to make.
Now, why people in prayer would bother to gang together to protect someone for not paying a fine is beyond me.:rolleyes:

....& who said racist?! :o

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PC people should look at the world today and see how f'ing stupid they are making it. If you dont like the way this country is the f off back home. We need a leader who is strong and not afraid to make choices that make a few people of some faith a little angry. Cue the bad karma from some people.

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I think that's a tad narrowminded, Silvermain.
Seeing as many Muslims in Britain are born in Britain!
I struggle to see how they could 'f off back home'?

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for teh record i would expect a christian , jew , hindu or whatever to be dragged out of worship if they were wanted by the police but the thread was about muslims not been interupted so thats what got talked about :)

iem off to my place of worship ..


the pub :D

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I think it would be a wise move for our gallant Police Officers to wait outside the mosque to arrest a criminal. To gain entry they would out of respect have to remove their doc' martins.
Therefore can you imagine the embarassment and the field day the press would have if while they are sat down fastening their laces at the same time the suspect just puts on a pair of slip on shoes then does a runner?

:)

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Mrs H gets told this with alarming regularity and I've no doubt that one day she will do that (hopefully taking me with her to warmer climes).

However, I've often wondered where those who are born here are expected to "f off" to?

Sorry for the thread wander, folks.

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Shut up it was not well said it was another weak person who has decided to just let the muslims quietly take over our country.:eek:

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Like I said in the karma comment, you are a future faceless employee for the Politically Correct brigade, grow some balls and wake up.:p

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Shakermaker isn't faceless, he's a young person who is able to get his point of view across very well. You may not agree with him, but to accuse him of not having balls is just daft. He always stands up and says what's on his mind.

One of the reasons I'm against any form of positive discrimination is that it falls right into the hands of the right wing agitators. Whether people like it or not we are a multi-racial society, and somehow we have to get along, with respect shown for every sector of society, including the often ignored white majority.

Telling people to go home is just plain stupid. How many generations do you go back, for people that were actually born in Britain? Just remember If we back date it to the Norman invasion, a lot of you will be effin' off back to France.

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I said FUTURE faceless, I agreed with your opinion of shakermaker but I cannot agree with him on this topic.

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If that means I present my opinion & reject narrow minded biggots like you then so be it.
Thanks Garinda, but nothing except stupidity is a language to the ignorant.

Bagpuss, if you disagree with me, good for you.
However making big statements & insulting people does not make you big and clever. It's all very easy to shoot down opinions, try having one!
It's ace :D

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Oh I see now I've re-read your post. I was at a disadvantage, in being unable to see into the future of Shakermaker, or anyone else for that matter.

Accurate fortune telling, like hindsight, must be a wonderful gift for you to have.;)

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does anyone know how many laws ,rules have been changed for the better of the muslims,you come into our country you accept our rules and laws,if i had to go into another country i would abide by their rules/laws,

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Jackyalex, you have the IQ of a toe-nail.
Muslim isn't a nationality you know.
They 'don't come into out country', either. The vast majority of the people who follow Muslim faith in Britain are born in Britain.
I wish people would wake up.

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What a lovely little witty saying, well done. :Banane37:

Back to thread, anyone?

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where did i say about muslims being a country,and most muslims who were born in our country dont follow the muslim faith,and yes they do come into our country in the millions,dont judge my iq you dont even know me,i have my view on things which im entitled to,and as for waking up OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AROUND YOU

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You proclaim a massive immigration of Muslim people, which is false.

I'd like to see where you get these nonsenical facts from. :confused:

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like ive said open your eyes,seeing is believing,and are you counting on the mass immigration or just by the government facts of legal immigrants

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So I trust you have seen and counted every person in Britain who follows the Muslim faith, recorded where they are from and their intentions to sway the law?

You are only 'seeing' and therefore 'believing' the state of a very small area of Britain.

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Now you're talking about immigrants. You said millions of muslims earlier.

:confused:

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oh look i was meaning muslims immigrants,im prob wrong but i never heard of muslims in this country until they emergrated here,but this was before my time,im just expressing my opinion you dont have to agree,this is just what i know through seeing and hearing if im wrong im wrong,i still have my right to say what i feel,

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ooooooooooo iv'e opened a can of worms here aint i....:D

see shaker is on the high horse again trying to demean other members who have a diff opinion...

at the end of the day it should be one rule for us all, not one for one and one for another....:engsmil:

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Fool.
I have no problem with people who back up their opinion with reason, however when it is based on hear'say & tabloid junk, I don't see it as valuable debate.
For instance any one of your posts, Blackburn Raver.

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hearsay and tabloid junk....what the chuff are you on you pillock :confused: ....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFE ...IT'S REALITY...its living and breathing around us even politicians realise its happening but for some strange reason you fail to comprehend it......

and if this is not a valuble debate what the chuff are you doing posting on it you sanctimonious prat (or rhymes with)

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It's easy to be the moronic majority, BR. Try being the realistic minority. It might get you out of your ape-like manchild phase.

Back to topic, anyone?

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i think you'l find that i am the realist sonny jim ...and from what drivel you have posted about this subject and the name calling to EVERYONE that has posted against you ...you young'un are the moronic...so yeah i guess it is easy...i mean if you can do it,then god damn,anyone can.....http://www.freewebdesign.be/smileys/...smiley-009.gif

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It's evident from the reaction in threads like this that there is a huge ammount of tension surrounding the Muslim faith, people are lead by the media to believe that Muslims are attempting to change the world to suit their convenience, which is obviously false.
It was certainly a mistake on the police's part for this information to get to the press, that much is true.
None of us know the reasons for the actions made, so all we can do is see if it makes a difference.

Blackburn Raver, I speak my mind, as do you. You're not anything special, nor am I. How about get back to your own topic and ditch the stupidity? It is only a forum...

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Don't weaken your eloquent stand by resorting to name calling, Jackyalex is entitled to their opinion, as we all are.

I stated earlier that these initiatives aren't brought by Muslims. It's the do gooders, who very often do more harm than actual good.

It is right that this news got into the press. The backlash is a result of the stupid belief that positive discrimination works. It doesn't.

I myself could be included in quite a few minority label boxes, if I so wished. I don't. It's a result of a patronising idea that some people are worse off than others, and conversley that some people are better.

The law, like life, should view everyone as equals. Special dispensations produce feelings of fear, frustration, and anger.

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theres an old saying in the American south " jus cause the cat had kittens in the oven, it dont make em biscuits "

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Willow I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

Having read this thread very carefully I think that some of the comments haver come about by some mis-reading of whats been posted, and that when someone has made a comment that has gone against the perscived way of thinking then others have jumped in with both feet and no life-belt with which to back paddle and therefore have started to argue instead of LOOKING, READING & UNDERSTANDING what has been posted.


Sorry if I upset anyone but please read more slowly..........

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Even read it twice.:engsmil:

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...and life in general.;)

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notice that the karma taliban is back , hiding behind their burqas

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I'm sorry but there has been no misunderstanding by mis-reading any of the posts in this thread from me, I just took the opportunity once again to remind you that if you let the muslims take an inch................:)

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What?

Are you setting us a cryptic quiz?

Spit it out.

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It's so not false (true) and while I'm here why do you always blame the media, believe it or not some of us have our own opinion which we have chosen through personal experiences.;)

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I don't dispute that, but the media plays a major factor in forming opinions these days. Especially on topics like this.

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well said.

its not difficult being british and a muslim. I follow both laws, in fact in Islam we are told that we should respect the country that we live in and not start bad mouthing it. i have muslim and non muslim friends and on Eid i said Eid mubarak (greetings) to all.
Iinstead of speculating what muslims think, why not just ask one. If you feel uncomfortable approaching one on the street, why not ask me on here. i'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

anyway Eid Mubarak to all. (i'd start a new threat but Eid was last week).

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Absolutely Ridiculous! What is this country coming too? Most of us are not racist at all, but this has nothing to do with Racism, it is Religion.
If I go to Church on Sunday Morning and while there I punch the vicar and steal the donations box will I be arrested now?

If this statement is true I am leaving this godforsaken country. It has gone to pot.:eek:

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hmm i wonder ...

i will get back to you about this on monday ;)

if you dont hear from me then the answer is yes :D

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It is only minor offences for which a warrant has been issued for instance failure to pay a fine.
I really don't see the problem.
But we've been through that...

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Thank you for giving me the true facts. You hear these things and react! Shouldnt do really. I did state "If this is true". There are some potty people in authority that come out with ridiculous remarks so you never know what to believe.
Anyway on the basis of your explanations, I dont see the problem either. Why do the public need to know about this anyway, shouldnt it be a police matter.
Mmmm Chav 1, I would give Sunday a miss if I were you! Tee Hee!

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Why not?
If the Police need to arrest someone and they know they will be at work, in the pub or in the local church/mosque at a certain time then why not arrest them there?
The Police should not have to wait until it is convenient for the wanted person until they arrest them. They are wanted and so should be arrested as soon as possible no matter where they are.
Maybe the wanted person should have thought about the disruption to others before committing the crime.