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Many of us have complained on here about cars driving through the bus route. Have a look at this video. HBC should install these outside the Town Hall and stop this problem once and for all. The video is worth a look just from comical value :D

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PMSL!!! Now that would be a niffty idea, puts a stop straight away to those that abuse the bus route.

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I seem to remember these being mentioned some time ago. At the time the council said that they were to expensive to install. Not just the price of the bollards, but also the cost of fitting the sensors to all the emergency / council vehicles. Not to mention of coarse the cost to the bus companies.

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Good one Neil :D :D

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I have to say that IMO, Corporation St in Manchester is all the better for having these. We were crossing Corp. St. on Sunday and there is no longer any need to be dodging cars in the rain. It's much better for pedestrians and should be considered here. I'm sure that these will become the norm in most pedestrianised city centres.... I certainly hope so

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I saw this system in action when we went to Newquey this year, I think it would be a good idea for Accy centre, it'd make it much safer, I think the buses would kick up a fuss though.

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The council bemoan the cost and so would others so are they say that a life is cheaper? Its time that all those involved said yes we will do it on the grounds of public safety. If it was a young child that was hit and killed as a resultof it being used as a rat run what happens then?

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what a brilliant idea...id sit there allday (well mayb 5 mins) waiting for some clown to have a go at it...how funny :D

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I have argued publically for 18 months for these at several public meetings.

Excuses against them are as listed above on a previous post. Plus we are advised they are expensive to maintain?!

The District Council has just messed around without any ambition. It's now with County and PB is upset because he no longer is in charge of the issue. I think like with the Bus Station we will see a lot of progress now Hyndburn Council are in the back seat.

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cheers for the vid neil, def a good idea, it would bring tourism into accy just to watch all the vehicles being impaled!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

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Do we have any idea how much 'expensive' is?

I personaly think this is a great idea. I am fed up of having to dodge cars that shouldnt be there. It angers me to think that they just drive through there knowing full well they are enterting a pedestrian zone which only allows buses.

Would it be against the law to stand in the middle fo the road and block it? Because.. technicaly it isn't a road .. as long as you let buses through would you be arrestable?

I feel more strongly on the issue because my dad was run over in front of the town hall a few years ago by some idiot coming through. (Also hadnt updated his car tax etc because he was never traced even though they had the registration number)

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I think a web cam should be put up. Then put it live on the web. Us people from Accy can watch the web cam and if we see a car going past town hall, take the picture and send it straight to the police. Hehe that would get the buggers.:D Oh how much fun we could have on here.

" yeah well last night I cought 10"

hmmmm " I got nine between 8pm and 11pm" :D

Could be a good competition :D

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I will mix the by taking Cyfr's and Slinks deas and put it into practice. :D

Might take a paint brush paper and paints and set myself up to do a side on pic of the town and market halls. :D

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I've just been having a look on the internet at the cost of the bollards. The cheapest that i've found are £3000 each, the most expensive are £20,000 each. The company that makes the expensive ones, range from £6000 - £20,000. The price is for supply and fitting. Each set of bollards would require a receiver unit costing £110, & every vehicle authorised to use the bollards requires a transmitter costing £25 each.

As for the repair. The company claims that the bollards are maintainance free for at least 4.5 million cycles. They can also withstand being hit by a 7 ton truck traveling at 30 MPH, so the vandals would have a really hard time trying to destroy them.

There probably cheaper options somewhere, i'll keep looking.

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If nobody hit's these bollards surely after initial installation charges, the cost would only be for general maintenance?
Any damage caused to them by someone stupid enough to attempt fighting with them would be claimed against insurance? I know when I was in an accident that damaged road fencing near Asda, the council put in a claim against me and my insurance company put a claim in against the person that had put me into the fences in the first place.

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Its interesting that your backing the local Labour party against the Tory party on this issue;) . However in order to effect change, you'll have to carry that through to the ballot box because this lot (the blue lot) have faffed around for 4 years now and nothing has got done. However a change of adminstration would help solve this (and many other) problems where nothing gets done.

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The Tories did propose for 18 months temporary traffic lights. I have three issues with this. Temporary means you are having to spend money twice to solve the problem. Crucially if someone has been knocked over fatally what use is a camera to the family of the bereaved when there could have been retractable bollards. Thirdly, it requires manpower to resource it. Either through ticketing and collection like speed cameras or simpler system whereby CCTV is used but then that will also require monitoring and follow up bureacracy of some sort.

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A perfect example of how HBC is a poor council IMHO. A member of the general public in probably 15 minutes is nearer to a solution.

Given many small and large authorities have installed this HBC should not be in any worse a position to install these. The leadership could be blocking it OR we have members of staff who have thie own ideas and the political leadership is too weak or indifferent to alter that.

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Where are the Police?
A bobby could 'do' dozens of people every day. It would probably pay his wages.
Same goes for parking attendants or whatever they are called. While in Argos for 10 mins today 3 cars illegally parked on the yellow line outside Argos, 2 of them were on the footpath as well. A traffic warden/attendent/Police could make a killing outside Argos.

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Hmmmm sorry if you thought I was being serious with my post about cctv that was monitored by Accywebbers:( I didn't actually need enlightening that this was a bad idea.....I don't work for HBC you know :(

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Slinky has just PM'd me saying that she is very upset that her superb CCTV idea was shot down by Graham. She was really looking forward to spending the dark winter evening's watching AccyCam. She said it would be much more interesting than being stuck on MSN talking to her little big sis Tinks.
Below is the only bit of the PM I dare post:
As you can see I can't post any more of it :D

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Slinks nowt wrong with thinking of ways to help the public. At the end of the day you have proberly givenn it more thought than those that are supposed to. If I try it my way think of the laughs you could get. :D

The fact that AccyJay pulled all the relivent info shows it can be done but the council dosnt give a donald duck obout an issue as important as this otherwise they would have found a way to deal with it.

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And me saying Graham made me look like a ****!!!!!! NOOO that's why I said " I don't work for HBC". I don't have silly Idea's that I know would not work, but still go ahead and do it, costing people a F'ing fortune just to have that Idea destroyed within a month......:D

Now that would be HBC style wouldn't it.

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I thought she was older than you. That means she is your big sis. She is little so that makes her your little big sis :p

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No Tinks is my Big little sis ( she's my big sister but smaller than me) and my younger sister is my Little big sis ( she's my little sister but bigger than me).....is it making sense yet?? :D

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Just had an 'off the cuff' statement from the source that were responsible for the idea, design and implementation of these bollards:-

'Suppose this is the video of the idiot crashing his car into the bollards on Corporation Street. There are signs for about half a mile saying 'Corporation Street/Cross Street closed 11 am/7pm to cars. Buses Only. Automatic Bollards.' Then there is red/green light system on Corporation Street outside the Next Store. It's quite simple, green = go, red = your car is about to get smashed up by a 4 foot high metal bollard .. Idiots' :D

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I think those bollards would be an excellent idea. Is this another one for the "positive responses to negative issues" thread? OK maybe they do cost money but if the council sued everybody who damaged them they'd soon cover costs.

Mind you, the number of people who would run into them and the number of buses it would hold up, as there are not exactly many alternative routes out of the bus station for them, could cause a bit of a log jam in Peel Street. :D

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I think we should all sign like a petition for this... them bollards are kwl... love to see the accidents with stupid driviers lol hehe
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Apologies; I didn't think you were serious and I'm sorry if it appeared that way. CCTV had in all seriousness come up in the council discussions.

Sometimes life is to serious and I think you have to have a laugh and joke about things. The thing is you know it is a bad idea but it nearly did happen.

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If they were introduced they might mean new businesses would close, as people would come out of the amusement arcades to gamble on when the next vehicle will get hit.

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The Council recently received a surprise £2.7m from the Exchequer to spend in Hyndburn (March). A list of items was drawn up and the money spent. The Town Hall wasn't on it.

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What was on the list, as to how it was spent?

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Roughly at a guess ???
£1m on private sector housing
£250,000 on Keep Warm, Keep Safe (£250 grant to pensioners)
£250,000 on CCTV
£100,000 on a Climbing Wall at HSC
£50,000 re roof Gt Har comm centre.
£20,000 Town Hall lift
?????? need to check...

You can always ask the Council (on any matter) under a FOI an they must give the exact answer within 21 days.

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Thanks...as long as the rest wasn't spent on even more traffic calming measures, outside a certain councillor's house in New Lane Ossy.:D

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Just thought of another alternative, how about perm traffic lights? I can't imagine them being that expensive..

Buses would be allowed through, but having lights there means that if a car goes through they are actualy breaking the law, as opposed to now where I assume it is a grey area (or they are simply not breaking it at all) because the police seem to do nothing when people go through...

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Lights are retospective and bureaucractic. There will always be chancers. Raised bollards stops chancers, it's also not a back door revenue raiser, and it reduces bureaucracy chasing wrong do'ers.

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This is very true.. normal lights people wouldnt dare run red, but I suppose there it might not change the situation.

So what can we do to get something done, other than wait a year and vote?