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harwood red 11-11-2006 11:54

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not been watching it but have read your updates on here Garinda and I'm glad to hear she's still in and just to spite the judges I hope she wins and becomes very successful!!!!

Oh yeah and I was doing something more interesting last night!!! and night before .... and night before that :D ;)

WillowTheWhisp 11-11-2006 12:12

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It's barmy isn't it? When you look at the Miss World beauty pageants, regardless of wheter you approve of them or not, the winners always had shape. I mean they went in in their middles and came out above and below. In the past the voluptuous woman was regarded as the more beautiful.

I didn't watch the program either but from what you've said I think it sounds like Jen has been treated very cruelly but it's possibly not the fault of Rachel Hunter or Tandy Wassername because they are just pandering to the current fashion industry ideal.

Unfortunately you are probably right that even if Jen wins she probably won't get modellng jobs which is very sad. In vew of the fact that Sophie Dahl, the hope for a change of attitude, ended up conforming it's hard to hold out any hope that this will change in the forseeable future.

CASPER 11-11-2006 14:31

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On Thursday Moorhead held a fit or wot! day. All students were off normal timetable and in place of normal lessons had various lessons about staying fit and healthy. One of the year 9 lessons was about body image and how the media portray the 'perfect body'. Students were told how the media airbrush photo's before publication and that in reality they are not a true representation of a normal healthy woman. They were shown a photo of an actress and then a front cover of a magazine with the same actress so that they could see the difference. They were also given many facts eg. three billion people do not have the figure of a super model, only eight do!
I showed them the photo that Garinda posted and they said it made them feel sick

WillowTheWhisp 11-11-2006 14:42

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I heard about this fit or wot day from my girls and it sounds like it was an excellent idea. Mimi and Emz have seen the pics on here and responded with disgust but it's encouraging to hear that others thought the same too.

CASPER 11-11-2006 16:50

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It all seemed to go well and was very worthwhile. It might become a regular thing because each year group had different lessons. I hope so, it was very informative with a lot of group discussion (in the lessons that I saw).

WillowTheWhisp 11-11-2006 16:58

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There was quite a bit of discussing between my girls when they got back home too, comparing what the two different years had done.

LancYorkYankee 12-11-2006 01:03

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Originally Posted by CASPER
I showed them the photo that Garinda posted and they said it made them feel sick

Garinda, did you post that picture of me (#198) without my permission? I admit it was a bit dandy but my daughter was taking the pic!:)

garinda 13-11-2006 18:01

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Giorgio Armani joins in the debate about size zero models in today's Daily Mail.

I have never liked thin models on the catwalk, says Giorgio Armani | the Daily Mail

WillowTheWhisp 13-11-2006 18:14

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Just indirectly watched something on TV about a bunch of girls wanting to be models - all with lovely figures and one poor girl being told she was outsize!

garinda 13-11-2006 22:55

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Sales boom for size zero clothes | the Daily Mail

steeljack 14-11-2006 01:54

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supposedly Marilyn Monroe was a size 16 (UK) 12 (US) when she sang 'Happy birthday Mr President' to JFK , since then manufacturers have changed the dimensions of dress sizes for vanitys sakes

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 06:59

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Perhaps the fashion industry will eventually see sense when models start dropping dead on the catwalk. Just how far do they think they can push this 'ideal'?

I noticed that somebody in the comments following that news item said 'don't blame the poor girl, it's not her fault that she's thin'. No, it isn't her fault. It's the fault of the fashion industry which says that she will not work unless she loses so much weight that she makes herself ill. That is not her natural shape.

accymel 14-11-2006 08:30

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I agree with the comments made about dress size manufactures there should be standard measurements, i can go in one shop for jeans & be a 12, next shop a 14 & in cases a 16, plus as i said again they dont take into consideration body frame as my mum used to always wind me up with the fact i have child bearing hips means a lot of pants dont fit proper, usually going a size up to get them over my hips & needing a belt for my waist:eek:

When will they realise that there are variations aplenty natuarally body shapes & sizes!! They ban fur trading in the industry so why not promoting 3rd world look is banned - poor people in the 3rd world have not much food & would kill to have the luxuries of that, yet people in western society have it all & abuse it all for the sake of vanity:eek: i dont get it No wonder as we have seen in this thread already the contention it causes for healthy natural human beings of any size & shape.

garinda 14-11-2006 08:36

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Talking about dress sizes, although they don't do fashion shows they do have dressed models at trade shows, Evans make up sample sizes in sizes 12 and 14, which is a bit strange because they only start selling their ranges from a size 16 and up in their stores.

I know that for a fact because I did some consultancy work for them.

Marilyn Monroe would today be considered an 'outsize', absolutely daft.

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 09:41

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So Evans are implying that their clothes look better on people slimmer than the ones they are actually made for? That doesn't make sense.

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 12:09

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I've just looked at this article and the comments - apparently there has been more than one model dropping dead and still people can't seem to see the difference between naturally slim and healthy and this totally unnatural obsession with striving to be nothing more than skin on a stick.

Particularly telling is the interview with Paige Adams-Geller


Quote:

Paige Adams-Geller, a former model..............

"There is barely a celebrity who doesn’t buy into what the fashion world dictates. And they will do anything to become thin.
"I kept wondering why I would see an actress one week and she would look normal, and the next she would look gaunt, and I found out it is all down to crystal meth [which suppresses the appetite] the latest must-have accessory here in LA." She also told me the name of the ‘celebrity stylist’ who is now suddenly so in demand, simply because she also acts as the stars’ drug dealer.
When I asked Paige whether in fact what everyone is telling me is true, that all the models are just naturally skinny, she gave a wry laugh.
"When I became a model at the age of 15 I was slim, I had won Miss California, for goodness’ sake, but the moment I signed with an agent I was told to lose the weight.
"There is no way that a girl over seven and a half stone will get cast on the catwalk. I used to eat one rice cake a day to stay that way. And this meant I never menstruated."
She told me she could guarantee that very few of the girls on the catwalk in London this week will have regular periods, which means they are storing up problems, such as osteoporosis, for later in life.
"I have seen first hand how these girls are treated," she said.
"I would turn up on a shoot and be offered a line of coke; I have even been on shoots where there have been syringes of heroin laid out ready for the models. I always said, no thanks, I prefer to starve myself."
It reminded me of the horror stories my old Geography teacher used to tell of little girls in Japan with tightly bound feet so that they could not grow, as large feet on a woman were regarded as ugly. She brought a pair of tiny silk slippers to show us and they looked like baby shoes but they had belonged to an adult woman. She explained that this was why Japanese women in those days could not walk properly and took tiny shuffling steps because their feet were deformed.

Tealeaf 14-11-2006 13:06

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Fasinating stuff! I wonder, though if anyone could possibly advise me on the following:

Yesterday evening, I was given by a (female) member of my local pub quiz team, a key ring which also encompasses a lazer light; when the button on the side is pressed, a message is projected on the wall/ceiling, which reads:


NICE T*TS.


My dilema is this: should I keep this for myself, or pass it on to my 17 year old nephew, who has a sense of humour similar to mine but is in a better position to appreciate it?

KIPAX 14-11-2006 13:21

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Tealeaf I understand your post and what your trying to say..what you mean...however I can't help thinking.....I want one of them keyrings :)

garinda 14-11-2006 15:21

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf
Fasinating stuff! I wonder, though if anyone could possibly advise me on the following:

Yesterday evening, I was given by a (female) member of my local pub quiz team, a key ring which also encompasses a lazer light; when the button on the side is pressed, a message is projected on the wall/ceiling, which reads:


NICE T*TS.


My dilema is this: should I keep this for myself, or pass it on to my 17 year old nephew, who has a sense of humour similar to mine but is in a better position to appreciate it?

Perhaps she gave it to you so you could distract the other teams, thus improving your chances of winning next week?:p

garinda 14-11-2006 15:44

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Friday sees the final of Make me a Supermodel.

Perfect model size Sweedish Marianne, who is quite a nice girl, if a bit bitchy. (Pictured top of the left attachment.)

Versus 'fat' according to the judges, Jen, feisty mum of one from Wigan.(Pictured on the attachment on the right.)

Come on Jen, do Wigan the pie capital of the world, and Lancashire proud. Stick two fingers up to the experts, instead of two fingers down your throat.:D

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 15:51

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I hope I can remember to watch this. I really want to see if Jen has been making herself ill to lose weight like they've told her she needs to. :(

I was interested to read the WHO's opinion of the fashion models.

garinda 14-11-2006 15:54

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
I hope I can remember to watch this. I really want to see if Jen has been making herself ill to lose weight like they've told her she needs to. :(

I was interested to read the WHO's opinion of the fashion models.

I saw an interview this week and she said she's not starving herself to please the panel of judges, and if Rachel Hunter, who has been incredibley cruel to her re: her weight, ever comes to Wigan she'll deck her!:D

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 15:57

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Good for her.

garinda 14-11-2006 16:08

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Good for her.

Though I'm sure we agree with her sentiment, we'd never advocate violence.;)

WillowTheWhisp 14-11-2006 16:33

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That was in support of her not starving herself :D not in support of her decking anybody.

garinda 16-11-2006 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda
Friday sees the final of Make me a Supermodel.

Perfect model size Sweedish Marianne, who is quite a nice girl, if a bit bitchy. (Pictured top of the left attachment.)

Versus 'fat' according to the judges, Jen, feisty mum of one from Wigan.(Pictured on the attachment on the right.)

Come on Jen, do Wigan the pie capital of the world, and Lancashire proud. Stick two fingers up to the experts, instead of two fingers down your throat.:D

And the winner is......















Albert.:D

'Fat' Jen was the last girl.:)

Doug 16-11-2006 21:55

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Originally Posted by KIPAX
Tealeaf I understand your post and what your trying to say..what you mean...however I can't help thinking.....I want one of them keyrings :)

Get us one will ya Mr T............:)

WillowTheWhisp 16-11-2006 22:24

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It's not Friday yet!

garinda 16-11-2006 22:27

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
It's not Friday yet!

The final was tonight.

The judges were seen high fiving each other when Jen got voted off. Those nasty bitches, Tandy and Rachel Hunter.

WillowTheWhisp 16-11-2006 22:29

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Poo! I was going to watch that tomorrow. You said it was on on Friday. Now hold out your hand and let me smack it! :p

garinda 16-11-2006 22:36

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Poo! I was going to watch that tomorrow. You said it was on on Friday. Now hold out your hand and let me smack it! :p

Sowwy.:o

The public vote is normally on Friday, it was only by chance I saw that it was on tonight.

They raved about Marianne, who is an incredibley beautiful girl, and will probably go on to be the most successful of them all because she is size zero/English size 4. She already been signed by Channel. The only compliment Jen got was that they said looked nice, like Diana Dors!

Marianne was voted off first, then Jen, to the jubliation of the judges. Luke came second and surfer Albert won.

WillowTheWhisp 16-11-2006 22:57

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Diana Dors????????

She looks nothing like Diana Dors!

garinda 16-11-2006 23:04

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Diana Dors????????

She looks nothing like Diana Dors!

She did a bit actually, like the gorgeous, young, Rank starlet Diana Dors, rather than bingo wings Di of the Adam and the Ant's Prince Charming video.

She had long hair tonight, a bit like Veronica Lake, and was dressed as a 50's vamp.





(No offence to any bingo players.):D

WillowTheWhisp 16-11-2006 23:15

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Well I didn't see it tonight - seeing as how somebody told me it was on tomorrow night! :D

Sparkologist 19-11-2006 12:18

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Lettie keeps looking in the mirror and commenting, "Oh Gawd, just look at those bingo wings". I now understand what she was referring to. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Rindy. ;)

It's been nice to know you all. My funeral will be some time next week, when Lettie reads this post! :o :D

lettie 19-11-2006 15:43

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Originally Posted by Sparkologist (Post 336823)
It's been nice to know you all. My funeral will be some time next week, when Lettie reads this post! :o :D

I'll make sure that I invite everyone dear...:) ;)

WillowTheWhisp 19-11-2006 15:52

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Aaaw I had a video link that was brill and it's gone AWOL now between hack and restoration. (Curse them pesky Belgians!) It showed a model arriving at a photoshoot and how the final poster was arrived at which looked absolutely nothing like her at all.

If I can find it again I'll post a link because it was worth seeing.


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