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Should Saddam Hussein hang?
Having been tried and found guilty of crimes against humanity by an Iraqi court, as we all now know, Saddam has been sentenced to hang – the ultimate suspended sentence.
As lancsdave has pointed out the trial was about his involvement in the genocide of Shia people in Dujail but he was party to much, much more. The gassing of Kurds. The draining of the southern marshes so that the Marsh People were badly affected. Even some Sunnis didn’t escape his wrath when they didn’t toe the line. Tears have been shed, tears of sadness and revenge from the Sunni section of Iraq and tears of rejoicing from the Kurds and Shia Muslims. He and his co defendants have the right to appeal and probably will do but the appeal can only be against the sentence. Once that appeal has been heard, if it is unsuccessful, the sentence is due to be carried out within 30 days of the verdict. Some people are of the opinion that if he and his cohort Awad Hamed al-Bander are hanged they would become martyrs to the Sunni cause and give them what they will undoubtedly see as a justified cause. Saddam is already a martyr in the eyes of the Sunni Muslims so it makes no difference if he is hanged or not. Serving a life sentence will just leave the option of some group springing him from jail and that would be a much more powerful fillip to his followers. So yes he should be executed as should Awad Hamed al-Bander and then cremated with the ashes being scattered in a secret location out in the Atlantic. |
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I voted no! The trouble that is spirraling out of control in parts of Iraq at the moment will only get worse if they drop him on a rope. To let him swing palys right into the hands of those extremists that are causing all the bother at the moment. He is to some though arab countries, though they wont admit it publicily the rightful leader of Iraq and should not have been in this situation.
If the accused do appeal and the original sentance is upheld then I hope someone with a bit of sence says that it will be commuted to life imprisonment. Ok SH and his demonic cohorts heaped pain, misery and death on their own people but an eye for an eye in this case wold not be the best policy. A fallen monster in a cell is better than a fallen monster that some can martyr to further their own goals, which will bring misery to a lot more people than if he is in the pokey. To the point of him being sprung from jail, then yes there is that possibility so dont have him imprisoned in Iraq! Take him somewere were the fundimentalist fanatics would find it nigh on impossible to gain access to him and therefore try. If he is in jail for life then lets see if he reaches old age or tries to take the cowards way out, which if he does try then he proberly knows fine well the accusations of him being murdered will arise. This is one humungous hot potato that needs to be dealt with as a diamond cutter would with a large presious stone. |
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No that isnt harsh enough. I think he sould suffer a far worse death like a small village in South Africa carry out. The penalty for a crime is the same be it murder or just taking a piece of bread with out paying. Your limbs are strapped up so you cannot move. Then you have a little cut about 2 inch long in your side where a samll piece of banboo shoot is inserted in you slowly so not to harm any vital organs. With about an inch sticking out the wound is sealed up. You remain like this for six month while the bamboo shoot grows out of you. When the shoots are long enough they are tied to a horse and the horse is whipped into running off pulling the shoot out of you. The really good bit is that not only do the shoots grow but all the roots grow inside you around all the body and when they are pulled out its like having your insides ripped out. Sorry if this isnt very nice but i dont think it is anything bad compared to what he as done to others.
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i voted no because i would rather see him spending teh rest of his life in jail eating jelly out of big bubbas arse :)
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I vote yes along with Silvermain.And I also agree that hanging is to quick.Probably the best form of capital punishment for him would be gassing like they do in certain states in America.At least its a bit nearer to what he actually did to the Kurds.
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Whoops !!!! .... didnt realise you could view the results .... Alecs just pointed it out to me.
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Having read news reports from the Shia and Sunni points of view all I can say is that there is no simple answer to the Iraq situation. Even if Saddam Hussein is in jail he'll still be a martyr to somebody's cause. Look at Nelson Mandela. I'm not saying that Nelson Mandela compares to Saddam Hussein - only that he was mainly known for being imprisoned. I hope you can understand what I'm getting at.
The best we could hope for I suppose is that he dies a natural death asap. |
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NO NO NO! He should have a slow and painful death like his victims!!
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No! i say... make him suffer for what he did, not just a quick way out of it...
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He should be freed and re-instated as the man in charge, then we can get the h*ll out of there and pretend it never happened, (a bit like what they did with that mediocre actor walking out of the shower in Dallas!).
The problem now is of course that there are some among you that will think I actually mean that! Do to him what was done to Guy Fawkes, he deserves no better! Then we can update bonfire night so that other cultures fit in nicely!:mad: |
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i) The death penalty is always wrong as it is a hallmark of any brutal and oppressive regime.
ii) His sentence is due to a slaughter that took place in 1982, but the UK and the USA were supplying him with arms well after that. Why did no-one object then, yet it is worthy of a death sentence now? iii) How many innocent Iraqi lives are Bush and Blair responsible for taking, and will those two ever face the death penalty for their crimes against humanity...If Saddam is a murderer, the previous Prime Minsters and Presidents are surely guilty of aiding and abetting?? |
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I voted no. I’m a spiritualist and despite my personal revulsion at this man’s crimes I believe we would be no better than him if we take his life. If he was killed in a justifiable conflict fine, but he’s a prisoner of war and should respect that.
If he does have to die for his crimes against his people and humanity then it should be in a form that reflects our advancement and should be quick. |
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should sadam hang ...!
the ugly ***t is already hanging :) |
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Does putting him to death really decide the issue? In many ways we are then sinking to his level ie if some one gets in the way they end up missing and dead. Is that how we want to be seen as a bunch of nations that in essence are no different from him.
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Yes he should hang-Christmas Day would be nice,like evil Ceausescu of Romania.
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Whilst its technically an Iraqi court, he has been tried by the US and teh UK. without us being there he would not be in the position he is now. We don't have teh death penalty here and As far as I know, most of the USA doesn't either so why are we allowing this level of sentencing in a court of law that we are at_this_point_in_time supporting.
Life imprisonment yes, hard labour yes(PS can we have that in our prisons as well please!!!!) death by hanging, Nope. |
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Definately NO. I believe that God, & only God can take a life. No matter what the crime, nobody has the right to take another persons life. Would the hangman not then be a murderer?
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That's fine. You have your belief, & i have mine.
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We would not expect any foreigners to influence our laws on capital punishment and think we should give them the same courtesy. I feel reaction to his execution will be short lived, but keeping him alive will just prolong further terrorism. Imprisonment will just give out vibes from the new leaders of fear and weakness to the people. Men who followed this man thought he was a God, well, got to be shown that he is not. A clean sweep, that's what I say. |
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Hanging is too good for that man. What about the industrial shredder he used on a few people he didn't like?
Seriously, though - this ball is in the Iraqi court and hanging is the proscribed punishment. However, it will be interesting to see what they do with the remains. |
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There is no way he is going to hang. If his appeal fails then you can be pretty certain that he will suddenly die of 'natural causes' in his cell.
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what a coincidence, sentence days before the american people vote in the mid terms. I suspect arm twisting be the americans.
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the timing of this sentence is perfect for the bush administration.
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I voted H*LL yes!
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If he hangs - god help us here in the uk and america and to everyone in iraq. There will be revenge attacks. I havent voted for the simple reason i dont know. One with everything he did he deserves to hang but Two we dont want revenge attacks at our soldiers in iraq and afghanistan or attacks in this country.
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Saddam has been tried in an Iraqi court under Iraqi law..not by the USA or Britian and under Iraqi law you can be sentenced to hang for lesser crimes than the murder of thousands of men,women and children.
I can understand some people opposing the death penalty full stop, but in some cases it just is not right for a mass murderer to be punished by simply having his freedom taken away. |
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I think ultimately the decision should lie with those who tried him - i.e. the Iraqi court. Unfortunately there are two opposing factions in Iraq and if you think of it in terms of the N. Ireland conflict then it helps get it into perspective. The Sunnis and Shi'ites are killing each other without any outside help.
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Well so far we have a hung jury, which is something that I didn’t expect. I expected that most people would opt for getting rid of SH once and for all.
He was tried by an Iraqi court appointed by a democratically elected government SPUGGIE J, defended by Iraqi lawyers and prosecuted by Iraqi prosecutors. So to take him out of the country to serve a life term wouldn’t be legal. Even so, which country would be willing to take him and his cohorts and risk the fanatical retribution of the Sunni fundamentalists? I agree with your SPUGGIE J that this is one humungous hot potato but in my view the best of two bad options is to hang him if that is what due process decrees. Quote:
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A coincidence is what it is kash. No one could predict how long the trial took. In any case if SH had not tried to disrupt the trial it would have ended weeks if not months ago. Apart from that he is still on trial for other crimes against humanity. Quote:
The bulk of the Iraqi people want peace and a chance to get on with their lives without fear of being blown to pieces. |
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then dosent that make him god he took lives
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he shud burn like guy faulks did as someone said then bonfire night will become the biggest party night of the year the f****** W*****
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I say Saddam should be made to rot in a dungeon,& tended to by Kurdish volunteers,who I'm sure would feed him very HHHalal food.Also, there are some people who wish to heap scorn on Tony & George.Let me assure you,You would not even be whispering such scorn if Saddam was your boss.Yep, that's free speech.Nice,isn't it.Church Boy,Sydney, Australia.
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At the end of the day if they keep bringing other charges and whatever else they can think of to charge him with he might be around for a few years yet. How long would the appeal take? We know within 30 days they will stretch his neck but that could be 2 years from now. Ironically they didnt have TIC's over there which would have saved a hell of a lot of time considering they are after him for crimes against humanity.
Even though he could have the death sentance commuted to life how long would he last before an "accident" or "natural causes" claimed him? If imprisoned for life if that is decided by the Iraqi courts then they are obliged to keep him safe but I bet they couldnt guarentee that so I still maintain he should be taken from the country. Its ironic the the humanitarian laws he is charged under also mean he has to be kept alive with due care and attention if imprisoned for life. |
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I'm somewhat surprised by this thread; surprised, not by the title - of course the b*ggar should hang - but by the amount of pinko liberal do-gooders on this forum who have popped out of the closet to say no to capital punishment. Seventeen at the last count, I have no doubt now the number will rise although at one time I thought we wouldn't have that number in the whole of Accy. Still, there's a few exiles on there to make up the numbers.
Anyone taking any bets on whether he'll squeal when the big day comes or whether he'll take it like a man? |
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The purpose of starting this thread was to find out what people think and not to condemn then for having their own view.
In a democracy that we all enjoy it is everyone’s right to voice their opinion without being subjected to name calling. An apology to those who disagree with you would not go amiss Tealeaf. |
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Tealeaf, hardly ever one to come to the aid of "pinko liberal do-gooders on this forum." I believe some of the no votes were explained as hanging is too good for him. Please correct me if I'm wrong "pld-g." Maybe jambutty could have added something to the effect: Is hanging too good for him? Just a thought. jambutty, I appreciate your threads like this that challenge our thought processes and convictions! Brian |
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does it really matter how he dies? as long as the ***t dies!!!! chop him up (while still breathing and conscious) and feed him to the pigs!!:D
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I voted no as I do not believe any individual or group of individuals has the right to take a life.
Is state sponsored murder any different from any other form? Yes gaol him for life, yes make it hard for him, something like the Bangkok Hilton mayhap, yes I agree for crimes such as his life should mean life. One other point though, as mentioned earlier US an UK foriegn policy in the 70s and 80s had a lot to do with his tyranical regime. However one thing that cannot be allowed to happen is the aiding and abetting of western countries to help him to escape as happened with Idi Amin. |
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Having his neck streched is the easy way out for him as he wont have to face his own people everyday and in his own twisted befuddled mind he is a martyr. Tealeaf is entiled to his oppinion the same as the rest of us. It is possible that some people might be "pinko liberal do-gooders" which is a lot better than the words I use for them.
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So, which part of the Bible should one follow? Personally, I do not see that any useful purpose is served by the death penalty. Ultimately, it's up to the Iraqi courts. |
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How about the bit that says "Thou shalt not kill"
Words attributed to teh big man as opposed to any of teh minnions |
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The Old Testament is chock full of either by God's direct hand, or Him ordering the Isrealites, to kill those opposed to the His will. Under the Mosaic Law, violators of the Law were often called to be stoned for what we may find kinda minor infractions. |
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And God said, “Though shall not kill” and then promptly drowned thousands of Egyptian soldiers as they tried to cross the parted Red Sea whilst chasing the Israelites. Not exactly the best of examples is it entwisi. And then commanded those favoured few to attack and take the lands of Jericho and Ay for starters. The Old Testament is littered with such examples. |
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As I said how do you differentiate between state murder and individual murder? Just because a group of individuals say it's ok to take a life then it's legal? Death by the state is just as barbarous as death by any other violent means and should be eradicated. |
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It isn’t just a group of individuals Stanaccy but a legitimately convened government of Iraq and they have the death penalty for certain offences. We may not agree with it but it is their country and their decision and we have no right to interfere.
So to answer your question, as far as Iraq is concerned, it is legal for the state to take a life under certain circumstances and after due process of law. That due process has been followed and a verdict given. That’s it - end of story. |
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Okay I know this is a thread wander but please honestly answer this Stanaccy: If you had a child who had been kidnapped from you, horribly abused and tortured, then killed and thrown away like a piece of trash, would you not think this "thing" wouldn't deserve the death penalty? This is not a made up example, this sort of thing is happening more and more in our society over here. This type of animal has violated every principal of human decency (in most any culture). Okay done! Brian |
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It's happened here too Brian. :(
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Vengeance is not justice.
I cannot see how it is civilised to shoot, electrocute, hang, poison, lethally inject or whatever "humane" way you put down people who 12 people have decided is not fit to live. Ok 14 if you include the prosecutor and the judge. Surely it is more civilised to have a justice system where the perpetrator of this crime is gaoled for a determinate length of time, and hopefully re-educated. I nthe case of the abhorence that you mentioned Brian then life should mean life, also in the case you mentioned, (Willow is right they do happen here) once the animal has done one crime like that and knows they will be executed, where is the deterrent to prevent more happening? If you are going to die anyway why not kill a few more and make your mark as the new Ted Bundy. Capital punishment doesn't work as a deterrent it is only used as a tool of revenge. Also as you raised the point of capital punishment as a deterrent could you also answer why if that is the case countries with the death penalty have more murders than those without? NationMaster - Statistics > Murders (per capita) by country Oh and just an aside my 13 year old daughter was raped 2 years ago and yes I wanted vengeance, after a while it dulls down and knowing the ***t is suffering in prison is enough for us, and I am pleased to say her as well. |
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I voted no too it should be slow and painful.Hanging is too fast for him.
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He is in for it wether he swings or not yet some rags reported that he wanted all Iraqi's wether kurd arab shi'ite or sunny to shake hands for the sake of Iraq.
Is it just me or is he trying to avoid the drop and swing? I would be suprised if any listened to him anymore as they are well rid of him. |
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Hang him high.
Funny though, I don't recall many western politicians clamouring for him to be brought to justice twenty years ago and he was just as murderous then. I wonder why? Anyway, that's one job out of the way. Now maybe Tony can embark on the invasion of Zimbabwe and the subsequent trial of Robert Mugabe for his crimes against humanity...oh sorry, I forgot, there's no oil there. Yes, Saddam deserves to hang but I wish the likes of Bush and Blair would spare us the moral outrage. Pass me the sick bag. |
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As it would turn out there have been a lot of European Companies that did deals for Oil with this guy.He deserves to die slowly and anybody that backed him up should be dragged in with him.Name and shame them.The public could be surprised as to which companies helped him
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i voted no, to hanging, believe he should be executed by firing squad. on the basis there was people hung in ireland in 1916, who rapidly became martyrs,by way of folk songs etc etc, and we are only now coming out of that mess, right or wrong these people believe they are soldiers, and a soldiers death may just prevent this, to me Dead is Dead, so its worth exploring cos hanging sure as hell dont prevent it.
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Mubarak warns on Saddam hanging
amazing , now we have world leaders popping up everywhere saying the death penalty should not be carried out , first the EU Presidency, then TonyBlair on 'moral'/religious grounds and now the president of Egypt. Seems the only two in favour are the Presidents of the US and Iran, strange bedfellows indeed. Tyrants responsible for thousands of deaths and they end up their days living in comfort protected by their fellow Presidents and PrimeMinisters...examples ....Idi Amin, Marcos, Shah of Iran, Emporer Bokassa of the Central African Republic/Empire, Mobutu, Baby Doc Duvalier , it's like an unwritten rule club rule , 'kill as many as you want and we wont kill you if you promise not to kill me when my turn comes' |
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Whether Saddam is hung or shot won’t make any difference cashman. He will still be just as dead with the potential of becoming a martyr. But then he will still have the potential of becoming a martyr to some if he is imprisoned for life with the added danger of an attempt being made to gain his release.
Saddam has been proven to be a criminal, although he sees himself as a combatant and has asked to be shot rather than hung. His request has been denied. This point was debated on Question Time last night with the result that the consensus was that Saddam was tried under Iraqi law that was formulated by a government that was put in place by the people of Iraq in a national vote. Iraqi law allows for murderers to pay for their crime with the death penalty by hanging. 50 years ago he could have been stoned to death. We may not agree with capital punishment and live in a country where such a punishment does not exist but that has nothing to do with Iraq and we have no business poking our noses in. We expect other countries to respect our laws and we should have the same respect for their laws. The most that we non capital punishment countries can do is to appeal for clemency on Saddam’s behalf but even that would be interfering in Iraqi affairs. |
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It will be the majority of western countries that would want his sentence commuted to life. We in the west think that our own values are beter than those in the middle east yet we have more issues in some respects than them. Its their court their country so the punishment is theirs to choose. I may be gainst the sentance but I am also against outside interferenc e from countries with a a superiority of morals issues.
We cannot alledgly free Iraq, give them their own govenment, which is supposed to be democraticaly elected who pick the judges, only to throw a tantrum when they say we are going to hang him. Iraq is either soverign with its own parliment, govenment, laws, courts, police etc. Or its just a subservient state that was to all entents and porposes conquered and will be treated as such ie we get the oil and we might help a little. Threaten that and we come down like a ton of bricks. So to the leaders of the world is Iraq Soveriegn or Conquered it is one or the other and cant be both???? |
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Whether Saddam is hung or shot won’t make any difference cashman. He will still be just as dead with the potential of becoming a martyr. But then he will still have the potential of becoming a martyr to some if he is imprisoned for life with the added danger of an attempt being made to gain his release. --------- agree jim but all i,m saying is simple- hung he will become a martyr- no question. shot i just dont know, but would think there is slightly less chance,and as i said before Dead is Dead, so whats to lose?
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The terrorists will use any excuse to cause a furor. Whether it be a stupid book, cartoon, or the death of this scumbag.
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I can't understand why you are tearing into each other over This piece of crap. I f you look at this another way in that Saddam is a product from a Culture of extreme Barbarism where people have been kept in the dark ages of religion for centuries,they have been under the thumb of tyrant's & have been abused & also brainwashed against Western Countries since the year dot.I'm sure they will dance in the streets when Saddam hangs,just like they did after September 11.Church Boy
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Why hang him?Whats the point?Lethal injection would do,in private.Don't tell the world its been done,say he's incarcerated for life & every few years issue a doctored photo to prove it.New conspiracy theory.:rolleyes:
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